Dalton Kincaid stats this year

[KDIGGZ]

He won't even be on the field for more than a handful of plays per game the entire first half of the season. Anyone who thinks he has more than 500 yards receiving is dreaming. My hope is that they will use him as a RedZone target and that's where his value will come from. His stats will probably be like 325 yards receiving but hopefully 5 or more TD's and hopefully some flashes so there's something to build on for next year. But don't count on it. Check Shakir's stats from last year if you want to get an idea of how they value rookie pass catchers on this team 

[wppete]

6 hours ago, Freddie's Dead said:

Rookie TE, under McD, he'll likely be babied and underutilized.  I'll go 40 catches, 450 yards, 4 TD's.

I don’t understand why McDermott babies his draft picks. You drafted them, especially in the top 3 rounds then let them play! 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

4 minutes ago, That's No Moon said:

So he's not so much a small TE as he is a slow WR. Got it.

Nope. Call him a route runner. I won’t say he can read defense yet until I see him do it be NFL defense but he’s a smooth route runner. Probably comes in as our 2nd best route runner and hands already.

 

 

4 minutes ago, wppete said:

I don’t understand why McDermott babies his draft picks. You drafted them, especially in the top 3 rounds then let them play! 

He does. 

[That's No Moon]

10 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Nope. Call him a route runner. I won’t say he can read defense yet until I see him do it be NFL defense but he’s a smooth route runner. Probably comes in as our 2nd best route runner and hands already.

Yeah, we will see.

[wppete]

11 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

 

He does. 

He does? I guess I missed it. Elam, Cook, Bernard? 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

I’m seeing a lot of talk about McDermott not playing rookies. The rookies in question are Elam, Cook, Epenesa, Basham, Bernard, and Moss I’m guessing.

 

It’s actually more on Brandon Beane. They’re drafting a lot of the same positions earlier in the draft. 3 RB’s in the 1st 3 rounds in 4 years. 3 DE’s in the 1st 2 rounds in 2 years. These guys all competing against each other for snaps. Bernard had no path to snaps as a rookie without injury. 
 

Elam struggling to beat out other young recent draft picks also. Dane Jackson 2020 draft pick and Benford 2022 draft pick. Benford playing over Elam as a rookie kind of ruins the argument against McDermott.

I guess we could say they did it again Kincaid when we have Knox already. We’ll see how they use them. The plan seems to be to use Kincaid more flexed out rather than traditional TE. But the possibility is there that Kincaid becomes a depth player as some fear.

 

Edited June 12, 2023 by Buffalo_Stampede

[Bobby Hooks]

Regular season:

 

499 yards 

 

7tds (I think he’ll get a lot of red zone opportunities) 

 

Playoffs: all bets are off 

Edited June 12, 2023 by Bobby Hooks

[Irv]

He'll get 33 QB pressures, 14 TFL's, and at least 7 sacks.  No doubt.

[Simon Says]

11 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Why? Who should’ve had more catches and didn’t? There’s zero basis for this argument. 
 

Hines? Hines was a late in season addition who’s been a backup RB his entire career.

"Who should have but didn't?" is an odd question because they are gone;  Beasley,   Brown and McKenzie. 

Kincaid isnt guaranteed to start, or to  necessarily replace all their targets and receptions. 

I see him as a backup TE, an occasional TE 2 in some sets, but not the regular starting "slot receiver." I think Bills will move him to  r

 create  mismatches but he won't play every down and his usage could vary by opponent.

Hard to predict stats but I hope he has quality production as needed.

[NewEra]

11 hours ago, FireChans said:

31 catches, 375 yards, 1 TD. 

I’ll bet the over on all 3.  My $200 to your $50

 

didn’t think so. 
 

🧌 

[RoyBatty is alive]

11 hours ago, Process said:

Are you drunk?

 

Dorsey has been an OC one year. We have zero history to go off of as far as how he will use two TEs. That was my point, we have no idea. 

Are you obsessed?

 

Your point was to bash Dorsey, first response to a positive themed Kincaid thread and you pivot and knee jerk to turn it into a  to Dorsey bashing.

[NewEra]

If he plays 70%+ of the snaps:

86-886-8

 

if they try and get Harty and Sherfield a decent share of reps and Kincaid plays <60%: 68- 688- 6

 

Hall of Fame 

 

 

[BuffaloBillyG]

1 hour ago, KDIGGZ said:

He won't even be on the field for more than a handful of plays per game the entire first half of the season. Anyone who thinks he has more than 500 yards receiving is dreaming. My hope is that they will use him as a RedZone target and that's where his value will come from. His stats will probably be like 325 yards receiving but hopefully 5 or more TD's and hopefully some flashes so there's something to build on for next year. But don't count on it. Check Shakir's stats from last year if you want to get an idea of how they value rookie pass catchers on this team 

Yes, because they will absolutely view a guy they liked enough to move up in the 1st round exactly the same as they do a guy they landed in the 5th round. Brilliant.

[RoyBatty is alive]

9 touchdowns, 589 yards.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

22 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

Yes, because they will absolutely view a guy they liked enough to move up in the 1st round exactly the same as they do a guy they landed in the 5th round. Brilliant.

I’m not defending his comments but they actually needed CBs last year. Traded up for Elam and only played Elam due to injury. But it’s not an argument against McDermott playing rookies because Benford would’ve had a major role if it weren’t for his injury.

40 minutes ago, Herb Nightly said:

"Who should have but didn't?" is an odd question because they are gone;  Beasley,   Brown and McKenzie. 

Kincaid isnt guaranteed to start, or to  necessarily replace all their targets and receptions. 

I see him as a backup TE, an occasional TE 2 in some sets, but not the regular starting "slot receiver." I think Bills will move him to  r

 create  mismatches but he won't play every down and his usage could vary by opponent.

Hard to predict stats but I hope he has quality production as needed.

The right answer is no one had a down year under Ken Dorsey. Gabe Davis and McKenzie had career years. Diggs, Knox, and Singletary had their usual years.

 

If Kincaid is used as Knox’s backup then this is a Beane problem again not a coaching problem. There would be a clear disconnect between front office and coaching. 

 

 

Edited June 12, 2023 by Buffalo_Stampede

[BuffaloBillyG]

9 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

I’m not defending his comments but they actually needed CBs last year. Traded up for Elam and only played Elam due to injury. But it’s not an argument against McDermott playing rookies because Benford would’ve had a major role if it weren’t for his injury.

The right answer is no one had a down year under Ken Dorsey. Gabe Davis and McKenzie had career years. Diggs, Knox, and Singletary had their usual years.

 

If Kincaid is used as Knox’s backup then this is a Beane problem again not a coaching problem. There would be a clear disconnect between front office and coaching. 

 

 

I get where you are going but to say the only played Elam due to injury is flat out incorrect. While Benford did start he and Elam were in a pretty tight rotation early in the year. Elam was also seeing plenty of reps in the playoffs. 

 

The reason for that is well known. Benford was just more ready as he came in with a background for the zone defense whereas Elam is more press and had more to learn. Elam's ceiling was and remains much higher than Benford which is why he was selected. 

[KDIGGZ]

35 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

Yes, because they will absolutely view a guy they liked enough to move up in the 1st round exactly the same as they do a guy they landed in the 5th round. Brilliant.

You mean like when they drafted a CB in round 1 last year who played less than their 6th round CB and a previous 7th round CB?

[FireChans]

53 minutes ago, NewEra said:

I’ll bet the over on all 3.  My $200 to your $50

 

didn’t think so. 
 

🧌 

You didn’t let me respond!

If he doesn’t hit the over on all three, I win 200? That’s easy money lol

[HappyDays]

8 hours ago, Herc11 said:

McDermott is not starting Kincaid over Knox on day 1 barring injury. Kincaid will have to earn his playing time. That's just how McDermott coaches unless he has no choice.

 

Well first of all, Kincaid isn't ever going to be "starting over Knox." They will have different roles in the offense. Kincaid is going to be the starting big slot from day one.

 

As for earning his playing time, he is reportedly already earning 1st team reps and a decent target share from Allen in OTAs. He isn't going to platoon as a rookie, he is going to have a substantial role in the offense from day one.

[julian]

A significant factor in why TEs usually take a year or two to pop is the difficulty in learning how to pass/run block at the NFL level. Hard enough to learn how to beat NFL defenses as a rookie TE in the passing game as it is.
 

 If the Bills take much of that off his plate by essentially utilizing him as a slot receiver and combining that with being dropped into an elite passing offense with Josh Allen as his QB… then you can be a little more enthusiastic about Kincaid’s chances of bucking the trend year one.