What a Tuel Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 https://new.cbssports.com/nfl/news/nfl-rule-changes-2023-no-0-jersey-is-back-personal-foul-penalties-clarified-one-date-for-roster-cutdowns/ Thought this would be bigger news since Allen holds the ball til the last second a ton. Did a search and didn't see a thread. "To make handing the football forward a penalty like an illegal forward pass, proposed by the Competition Committee Rule change: This will penalize teams handing off the football forward on a read-option, for example, or any other running play a penalty. Handoffs will have to be made next to or behind the quarterback, not in front of. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WotAGuy Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 If passed, will be henceforth known as the “Josh Allen Rule”. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoTom Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 2 minutes ago, What a Tuel said: "To make handing the football forward a penalty like an illegal forward pass, proposed by the Competition Committee Rule change: This will penalize teams handing off the football forward on a read-option, for example, or any other running play a penalty. Handoffs will have to be made next to or behind the quarterback, not in front of. " Looks like a solution in need of a problem. Why is a "forward hand-off" a bad thing? 5 3 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 Is this confirmed? If so I am seeing the ball becoming airborne instead of a handoff. That way it is a legal forward pass. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CircleTheWagons99 Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 I thinks this rule change will hurt Mahomes and Hurts more then Allen. I have seen Mahomes hold the ball and hand it of forward as implied by the rule. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerDave Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 I've often wondered: Can only "eligible receivers" take a handoff, or can it be handed off to, say, a pulling guard as well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CircleTheWagons99 Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 Just now, RangerDave said: I've often wondered: Can only "eligible receivers" take a handoff, or can it be handed off to, say, a pulling guard as well? that would be something to see..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CircleTheWagons99 Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 thinking about this more, if they do implement this rule, it will completely change they way running plays are executed. Alot of running plays the RB gets the ball handed to them in front of the QB which would now be a penalty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 8 minutes ago, RangerDave said: I've often wondered: Can only "eligible receivers" take a handoff, or can it be handed off to, say, a pulling guard as well? The 5 linemen set on line cannot take a ball or advance it in case of fumble or reflection. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GustheDog33 Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 This play effectively negates the read option. The whole point of the play is to read the end man on the LOS or EMOL. In order to do this, the QB needs to hold the Mesh point with the back as long as possible to get a commitment from the EMOL. If the Mesh can no longer be extended, the read option is no longer a read. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 (edited) 17 minutes ago, WhoTom said: Looks like a solution in need of a problem. Why is a "forward hand-off" a bad thing? I think it's strange too Ostensibly it penalizes the RPO more than read option...in read option the QB can read the DE facing sideways to complete a legal handoff but in RPO the conflict defender is usually in the middle of the field so while you're selling the mesh you're going to have a much harder time making the right read because you're facing sideways so on the face of it I have no idea why the NFL would want to move away from rpo but this would be in service of that end imo Edited June 9, 2023 by GoBills808 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brand J Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 As long as the QB isn’t past the LoS, how can anything constitute an illegal forward pass? 2 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Fan Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 5 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: I think it's strange too Ostensibly it penalizes the RPO more than read option...in read option the QB can read the DE facing sideways to complete a legal handoff but in RPO the conflict defender is usually in the middle of the field so while you're selling the mesh you're going to have a much harder time making the right read because you're facing sideways so on the face of it I have no idea why the NFL would want to move away from rpo but this would be in service of that end imo I agree, this seems odd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerDave Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 8 minutes ago, Limeaid said: The 5 linemen set on line cannot take a ball or advance it in case of fumble or reflection. Dang, this negates my sneaky 4th and inches play where the QB takes the snap from the center, then gives the ball right back to the center to move the ball forward a few inches. 🥴 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalo2218 Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 8 minutes ago, JayBaller10 said: As long as the QB isn’t past the LoS, how can anything constitute an illegal forward pass? This is exactly what I was thinking, this rule change makes very little sense. I don't think it'll effect Allen as much as it will Lamar Jackson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transient Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 (edited) 42 minutes ago, What a Tuel said: https://new.cbssports.com/nfl/news/nfl-rule-changes-2023-no-0-jersey-is-back-personal-foul-penalties-clarified-one-date-for-roster-cutdowns/ Thought this would be bigger news since Allen holds the ball til the last second a ton. Did a search and didn't see a thread. "To make handing the football forward a penalty like an illegal forward pass, proposed by the Competition Committee Rule change: This will penalize teams handing off the football forward on a read-option, for example, or any other running play a penalty. Handoffs will have to be made next to or behind the quarterback, not in front of. " I guess it depends how they define “next to”. If Allen, for example, continues to hold on to the ball until the last second but advances with the RB, is it still considered “next to”? I don’t understand why the competition committee proposed this or why it passed. As someone said, seems like a stupid fix for a non-issue. Edited June 9, 2023 by transient Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 9 minutes ago, transient said: I don’t understand why the competition committee proposed this or why it passed. 1 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen2D̶i̶g̶g̶s̶TBD Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 (edited) That rule change would also completely negate those forward push-pass jet sweeps (which I hope we'll do frequently with Deonte Harty) Edited June 9, 2023 by Allen2Diggs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JESSEFEFFER Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 I think the zone read option is among the plays that carry the most risk of injury. A misread by Josh leaves him 1 on1 vs. a much bigger body. The play at 1:00 of this video might have caused me some heart pain. So, good riddance is what I say. Joey Bosa Bringing Josh Down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoTom Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 1 hour ago, CircleTheWagons99 said: thinking about this more, if they do implement this rule, it will completely change they way running plays are executed. Alot of running plays the RB gets the ball handed to them in front of the QB which would now be a penalty. Yeah, and it makes determining the exact point of the hand-off a judgment call for the officials. Another reason not to like it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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