Call_Of_Ktulu Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 I would like to see Meat Ball be hired as DL advisor and work with Oliver more. Oliver has that explosion off the line but he doesn’t have the timing that Meat Ball had. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 1 minute ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: I would like to see Meat Ball be hired as DL advisor and work with Oliver more. Oliver has that explosion off the line but he doesn’t have the timing that Meat Ball had. Im Surprised we haven’t seen him more at camp and practices. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richNjoisy Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 Well, the Oliver deal now looks more reasonable 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcam2012 Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 (edited) 2 hours ago, richNjoisy said: Well, the Oliver deal now looks more reasonable Not really. There are no valid comparasions between these two guys. Williams is light years better than Oliver. Thus, the salary difference is valid. Edited July 13 by newcam2012 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 I don't think paying a great player his market value makes paying an above average player his market value look any better 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 (edited) 14 minutes ago, richNjoisy said: Well, the Oliver deal now looks more reasonable Drafting the 8th best DL in the 2019 draft at #9 overall continues to be less than impressive. This is the difference between us and the Bengals. Edited July 13 by FireChans 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcam2012 Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 2 hours ago, FireChans said: Drafting the 8th best DL in the 2019 draft at #9 overall continues to be less than impressive. This is the difference between us and the Bengals. I agree but that stings a bit when you say it like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 (edited) 2 hours ago, newcam2012 said: Not really. There are no valid comparasions between these two guys. Williams is light years better than Oliver. Thus, the salary difference is valid. Quinnen Williams has one Great year in his career also Olivers AV was higher every year besides this last year… If anything Williams played for a payday Edited July 13 by Buffalo716 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slippery Rubber Mats Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 Up until this last year, I thought Q and Oliver were not that far apart. I would have taken Q everything being equal, but this last year put Q firmly ahead IMO. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 Hoping this motivates Ed. he has a great season , Bill likely told him , we can look at this contract again. My guess But the contract for Ed looks designed as a motivator as much as a smart one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcam2012 Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 28 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Quinnen Williams has one Great year in his career also Olivers AV was higher every year besides this last year… If anything Williams played for a payday Come on man. Haven't you seen enough of Oliver that screams he's not elite. He's pretty good in my eyes but clearly hasn't lived up to his top ten pick. Williams is a beast and will be for years to come. An anchor on a defense. If you think Oliver is anywhere near his talent level I don't know what to say. I want to be respectful. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 (edited) 5 minutes ago, newcam2012 said: Come on man. Haven't you seen enough of Oliver that screams he's not elite. He's pretty good in my eyes but clearly hasn't lived up to his top ten pick. Williams is a beast and will be for years to come. An anchor on a defense. If you think Oliver is anywhere near his talent level I don't know what to say. I want to be respectful. I don’t think I’m comparing them or once said Oliver was elite Williams did not do much for his first three years and He wasn’t head and shoulders above Oliver … year 4 was the breakout Williams broke out last year in a contract year which is always concerning… You say he’s going to be a machine for a long time but he absolutely can be Marcell Dareus sure he’s better but it took years to break out… Edited July 13 by Buffalo716 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 45 minutes ago, newcam2012 said: I agree but that stings a bit when you say it like that. Truth hurts. Can't be drafting ninth Pro Bowl alternates in the top 10. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 3 hours ago, FireChans said: Drafting the 8th best DL in the 2019 draft at #9 overall continues to be less than impressive. This is the difference between us and the Bengals. Going to have to say that this is pretty accurate. We’ve seen what Chris Jones does for that KC defense. Quinnen was out of our reach, but we had our chance to get that type of player and missed. We didn’t strike out.. but (thus far) we hit a double, when home runs were on the table. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 Just now, SCBills said: Going to have to say that this is pretty accurate. We’ve seen what Chris Jones does for that KC defense. Quinnen was out of our reach, but we had our chance to get that type of player and missed. We didn’t strike out.. but (thus far) we hit a double, when home runs were on the table. I am going to suggest the jury is still out. Lets see what the next few years show us. As mentioned Quinnen had One heck of a season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billl Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 1 hour ago, Buffalo716 said: Quinnen Williams has one Great year in his career also Olivers AV was higher every year besides this last year… If anything Williams played for a payday Three years into their careers, you could have said the same thing about Baker versus Josh. The reality is that Ed is what he is…a pretty good but unremarkable DT. There’s been zero indication that he has some heretofore untapped level of ability to be a dominant player, though. There’s nothing wrong with that. He’s going to have a long career in Buffalo, and he’ll be well regarded by the Bills Mafia 20 years from now and mostly forgotten by everyone else. Quinnen Williams is a 25 year old emerging superstar that opposing DCs have to game plan around. He got paid 40% more than Oliver, but he’s twice the player. 54 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: I don’t think I’m comparing them or once said Oliver was elite Williams did not do much for his first three years and He wasn’t head and shoulders above Oliver … year 4 was the breakout Williams broke out last year in a contract year which is always concerning… You say he’s going to be a machine for a long time but he absolutely can be Marcell Dareus sure he’s better but it took years to break out… You know what’s more concerning than breaking out in a 4th season? Having 4 years and never breaking out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 4 minutes ago, Billl said: Three years into their careers, you could have said the same thing about Baker versus Josh. The reality is that Ed is what he is…a pretty good but unremarkable DT. There’s been zero indication that he has some heretofore untapped level of ability to be a dominant player, though. There’s nothing wrong with that. He’s going to have a long career in Buffalo, and he’ll be well regarded by the Bills Mafia 20 years from now and mostly forgotten by everyone else. Quinnen Williams is a 25 year old emerging superstar that opposing DCs have to game plan around. He got paid 40% more than Oliver, but he’s twice the player. You know what’s more concerning than breaking out in a 4th season? Having 4 years and never breaking out. DT is a tough position … Ed has been on the cusp … he’s been dominate for stretches but the consistency isn’t there yet And for the record I loved Quinnen Williams in college And thought he was the number 1 Dtackle… Lots of those guys lose their edge when They get paid though Williams is definitely a monster tho 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 Let's be fair. Although I think Williams is the better player he didn't really break out until he got complimentary players around him on defense. Just like Ed, who played pretty well, though not at an elite level when Daquan and Von on the field. Oliver may very well end up being a bargain. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcam2012 Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 He's always been much better than Oliver from the get go. You compared him to Oliver which is like comparing a prune to a watermelon. Williams has size and strength that Oliver will never have. He might be close to being as quick too. I'm pretty sure almost every knowledgeable football fan would say Williams is a beast. Happy to have him on their team and pay the man. Everyone except you I guess... Stop digging the hole... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted September 25 Share Posted September 25 For whatever reason, my tweets are imbedding properly. Anyone else having this issue? I’m on an IPhone. https://x.com/mirskykendall/status/1706101453172117654?s=46&t=WlqwVN2bVq7mXd00IAHy6A 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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