Just Jack Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 11 hours ago, mrags said: and donate to Terrys foundation for fueling his yacht Terry can frack his own fuel. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 2 minutes ago, Just Jack said: Terry can frack his own fuel. With the tears of Sabres fans. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 9 hours ago, SoCal Deek said: Sheeesh. For the love of God! It’s the sales tactic not the product. 🙄 What sales tactic? Give us the specific details of the shady tactics they're using at this event. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichStadiumGuy Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 Here... let's throw another wrench into the gearbox while we're at it! https://spectrumlocalnews.com/nys/rochester/politics/2024/03/08/activists-ask-supreme-court-to-hear-bills-stadium-lawsuit 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 7 hours ago, LeGOATski said: What sales tactic? Give us the specific details of the shady tactics they're using at this event. Before I do…..Have you ever been to a timeshare presentation? If you haven’t, I’m not sure what experience you bring here. 10 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said: Deets when your done. They can tap dance all they want. All I want to know is what can I afford. Give me a rate card and a break down of amenities. A clarification: what you really want to know is what it costs, not what you can afford. Asking what you can afford is one of the classic hallmarks of both new car sales and timeshare ‘presentations’. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerBillsFan Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 Not surprised he stayed, but that is a cap wrecking move potentially. 1 hour ago, RichStadiumGuy said: Here... let's throw another wrench into the gearbox while we're at it! https://spectrumlocalnews.com/nys/rochester/politics/2024/03/08/activists-ask-supreme-court-to-hear-bills-stadium-lawsuit What a joke. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 1 hour ago, RichStadiumGuy said: Here... let's throw another wrench into the gearbox while we're at it! https://spectrumlocalnews.com/nys/rochester/politics/2024/03/08/activists-ask-supreme-court-to-hear-bills-stadium-lawsuit lulz. Good luck with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrb1979 Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 9 hours ago, Punching Bag said: They had some other choices and then they got in bed with Jerry Jones. What choices? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said: Before I do…..Have you ever been to a timeshare presentation? If you haven’t, I’m not sure what experience you bring here. A clarification: what you really want to know is what it costs, not what you can afford. Asking what you can afford is one of the classic hallmarks of both new car sales and timeshare ‘presentations’. Yep. Please do. Gives us the specific details about this event. Don't just describe a timeshare sales event. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 1 hour ago, Jrb1979 said: What choices? One is they did not need to reduce size of stadium to try to drive up seat costs and attempt (I do not think it will make it successful) to being all PSL. They are going to get some blowback from this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 2 minutes ago, Punching Bag said: One is they did not need to reduce size of stadium to try to drive up seat costs and attempt (I do not think it will make it successful) to being all PSL. They are going to get some blowback from this. That’s exactly why they reduced the size. So that they can PSL every single seat and they know there will continue to be a waiting list no matter what. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 8 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: Yep. Please do. Gives us the specific details about this event. Don't just describe a timeshare sales event. Ugh! First of all, it’s not an ‘event’. I’m suggesting that it sure sounds like the typical 90 minute ‘presentation’ that one gets at a timeshare. Is this REALLY that hard to understand? Or do you just want to argue about an observation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrb1979 Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 4 minutes ago, Punching Bag said: One is they did not need to reduce size of stadium to try to drive up seat costs and attempt (I do not think it will make it successful) to being all PSL. They are going to get some blowback from this. It makes sense to reduce the size of the stadium. It's the way just every new stadium is going. Less seats create higher demand. I get the frustration as a lot people are going to be priced out from going to games. The Bills will no longer be near the bottom in average ticket prices. New stadium will put them closer to the top. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 2 minutes ago, Jrb1979 said: It makes sense to reduce the size of the stadium. It's the way just every new stadium is going. Less seats create higher demand. I get the frustration as a lot people are going to be priced out from going to games. The Bills will no longer be near the bottom in average ticket prices. New stadium will put them closer to the top. I am the president of a Bills Backers group for almost 30 years and many are regular occasional visitors to stadium. Grandparents talk about bringing their grandkids to first game. For a lot of them being able to go to games with family is part of their fandom. The commercialization of fandom starting with "Bills Mafia" has reduced support of Bills and the new stadium will as well. Bills will be selling more and more tickets to brokers who will be selling them to people who tried to buy season tickets in past but rejected due to zip code. I am probably going to stop being president of group since I have too many issues to travel regularly and disappointed how Bills stopped supporting Bills Backers groups promoting Bills Mafia instead, 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 I don't love the public money but I could behind it with more public benefit/protections. There are two things that I am pretty heavy on: 1. Any stadium built with public funds should prohibit the owner from collecting PSL fees. You can either collect PSL or collect public subsidy. You cannot collect both. 2. Any municipality whose money has gone to build the stadium should have open access to viewing the NFL games inside. If you live in NYC, Albany, or Utica you shouldn't have to pay or NFL Sunday ticket or 12 different streaming providers. Granted this was a bit easier to work around in the pre-streaming era. But I still believe it. $1B is an insane amount of public subsidy to turn around and charge PSL's. If owners want to charge it or restrict viewership access then they can pay for their stadiums themselves. 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Horseheads Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 4 minutes ago, Mango said: I don't love the public money but I could behind it with more public benefit/protections. There are two things that I am pretty heavy on: 1. Any stadium built with public funds should prohibit the owner from collecting PSL fees. You can either collect PSL or collect public subsidy. You cannot collect both. 2. Any municipality whose money has gone to build the stadium should have open access to viewing the NFL games inside. If you live in NYC, Albany, or Utica you shouldn't have to pay or NFL Sunday ticket or 12 different streaming providers. Granted this was a bit easier to work around in the pre-streaming era. But I still believe it. $1B is an insane amount of public subsidy to turn around and charge PSL's. If owners want to charge it or restrict viewership access then they can pay for their stadiums themselves. The public money seems to grow larger in this thread every day lol. Its not 1b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 6 minutes ago, Mango said: I don't love the public money but I could behind it with more public benefit/protections. There are two things that I am pretty heavy on: 1. Any stadium built with public funds should prohibit the owner from collecting PSL fees. You can either collect PSL or collect public subsidy. You cannot collect both. 2. Any municipality whose money has gone to build the stadium should have open access to viewing the NFL games inside. If you live in NYC, Albany, or Utica you shouldn't have to pay or NFL Sunday ticket or 12 different streaming providers. Granted this was a bit easier to work around in the pre-streaming era. But I still believe it. $1B is an insane amount of public subsidy to turn around and charge PSL's. If owners want to charge it or restrict viewership access then they can pay for their stadiums themselves. 8 minutes ago, Mango said: I don't love the public money but I could behind it with more public benefit/protections. There are two things that I am pretty heavy on: 1. Any stadium built with public funds should prohibit the owner from collecting PSL fees. You can either collect PSL or collect public subsidy. You cannot collect both. 2. Any municipality whose money has gone to build the stadium should have open access to viewing the NFL games inside. If you live in NYC, Albany, or Utica you shouldn't have to pay or NFL Sunday ticket or 12 different streaming providers. Granted this was a bit easier to work around in the pre-streaming era. But I still believe it. $1B is an insane amount of public subsidy to turn around and charge PSL's. If owners want to charge it or restrict viewership access then they can pay for their stadiums themselves. 4 hours ago, RichStadiumGuy said: Here... let's throw another wrench into the gearbox while we're at it! https://spectrumlocalnews.com/nys/rochester/politics/2024/03/08/activists-ask-supreme-court-to-hear-bills-stadium-lawsuit Good reason for NY Jiants and Jest to have stadium in New Jersey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 18 minutes ago, Mike in Horseheads said: The public money seems to grow larger in this thread every day lol. Its not 1b Thanks for the correction. Scratch everything I just said because the public money is only $850M not a billion. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JakeFrommStateFarm Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 27 minutes ago, Mango said: Thanks for the correction. Scratch everything I just said because the public money is only $850M not a billion. In every stadium that has recently been built there are always cost over runs. In fact Atlanta wrote into the agreement that falcons would pay all cost over runs. In case of cost over runs for Bills who will pick up the cost ? Pegula? Surely you can't be serious. It could easily be 1B by opening day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 4 minutes ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said: In every stadium that has recently been built there are always cost over runs. In fact Atlanta wrote into the agreement that falcons would pay all cost over runs. In case of cost over runs for Bills who will pick up the cost ? Pegula? Surely you can't be serious. It could easily be 1B by opening day The Bills are contractually obligated to pay all cost overruns. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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