RD 3, Pick 91: LB Dorian Williams, Tulane

[3rdand12]

1 hour ago, boyst said:

dude looks more like a big safety but lacks the athleticism to play the position.

 

wasted pick.

Ouch

[Augie]

6 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said:

your right. so he bumped Kelce at the line that one game, then went at the QB and RB and then the S or a C took over coverage. He is a physical box guy not a cover guy. its now we did it that was successful When Milano was out.   I called it When I was on with Akeem on a life podcast with him that, Kelse would get bumped and released after 5 and then a S or or corner would take out. I was Right and THEN he posted my clip saying it on facebook.

 

Just because a dude is bad in coverage does not mean you can not use that dude the same way and scheme coverage different. 

 

It does limit you, however. That is why they love versatility so much. If you have a weak spot they will scheme to take advantage of it, much like we schemed to cover him up. Eventually they will figure it out.

 

 I hope he doesn’t have to play for extended periods, but as we saw last season hoping and praying does not keep football players healthy and available. He can certainly play a role in a good defense at times. 

[PrimeTime101]

1 hour ago, Augie said:

 

It does limit you, however. That is why they love versatility so much. If you have a weak spot they will scheme to take advantage of it, much like we schemed to cover him up. Eventually they will figure it out.

 

 I hope he doesn’t have to play for extended periods, but as we saw last season hoping and praying does not keep football players healthy and available. He can certainly play a role in a good defense at times. 

our offense needed more help then defense. Top 15 offensive line and another weapon get us to the SB. I 100% believe it. When your back end is so good it makes up for other issues. As for them figuring it out eventually? They looked at plenty of film on the sidelines to counter it and they still could not counter it. 

[Augie]

11 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said:

our offense needed more help then defense. Top 15 offensive line and another weapon get us to the SB. I 100% believe it. When your back end is so good it makes up for other issues. As for them figuring it out eventually? They looked at plenty of film on the sidelines to counter it and they still could not counter it. 

 

I’m fully on board with going offense first. I loved the first couple rounds. 

 

But we need a solid presence in the middle of the zone, and that’s not Klein. He didn’t play enough to get too much film on what we were doing. He’s a stop gap, not the answer. 

[balln]

9 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

He’s a late 3rd round pick. He was drafted right about where he should’ve been. Bills didn’t reach.

Now they must develop him. Not sure why anyone would bash the pick? He’s fast and athletic. I wouldn’t expect much early in his career.

 

I preferred others but they weren’t on the board when the Bills picked.

 

 

Yea well. Sorry. Terrell Bernard was picked last year w a late 3rd pick. So ppl can be soured about it

 

im actually liking Williams pick tho

5 hours ago, Shaw66 said:

I wouldn't be so quick to send Bernard to the dumpster.  You say you have doubts about Williams's instincts.  Well, McDermott didn't have doubts about Bernard's instincts.   

 

I really think we have to wait and see.  Nobody ever raved over Frazier's creativity, but McDermott is a different guy.   From the perspective of casual fans like us, he has a hole in the middle.   I doubt he believes he has a hole.  He has answer, and if his answer doesn't work, he has another answer.  He's going to put these guys on the field soon, and he's going to see what they have.   Bernard, Spector, Williams, Bernard.  Someone is going to play, and there's a good chance that he actually wins the job, as opposed to getting it because everyone else failed. 

McD didn’t have doubts Nathan peterman . Lots of “faith”

[John from Riverside]

He looks like a guy to me that they get in the camp and they’re like holy *****. Who is this guy? We can’t keep him off the field.
 

That’s just my opinion

[balln]

3 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

He looks like a guy to me that they get in the camp and they’re like holy *****. Who is this guy? We can’t keep him off the field.
 

That’s just my opinion

I’m hoping for 10-15 pounds heavier and he turns into London fletcher

[John from Riverside]

Just now, balln said:

I’m hoping for 10-15 pounds heavier and he turns into London fletcher

London Fletcher couldn’t cover
 

This guy can

 

But I understand the comparisons. Honestly, he’s only 5 pounds lighter in the same height as Lavonte David.

[3rdand12]

38 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

London Fletcher couldn’t cover
 

This guy can

 

But I understand the comparisons. Honestly, he’s only 5 pounds lighter in the same height as Lavonte David.

I am quite sure he (ballin )  meant London Fletcher with better cover skill. Which I think he will quickly develop !

 

But if he becomes a young David ? I am pretty okay with that as well

[Allen2Moulds]

I think him being undersized is greatly exaggerated. 250 is not the norm, it's the exception. Average linebackers are around 230-235. He was 229. 

[Ralonzo]

5 hours ago, boyst said:

dude looks more like a big safety but lacks the athleticism to play the position.

 

wasted pick.

 

Do you mean Bernard or Williams? Bernard I never saw it, but gave him the benefit and for the most part he showed what we thought he'd show: too small/slow, and probably a reach. Had the one lucky touchdown in preseason but for the most part got his butt kicked by 2's and 3's and Spector outplayed him by a fair bit. College tape and measurables seem a bit better for Williams but I'll wait for preseason to see what he does in comparison to make a judgement. After year one Barnard looked to be a whiff to us and you'd have to guess the Bills, or there wouldn't be the need to grab Williams R3.

[PrimeTime101]

2 hours ago, Augie said:

 

I’m fully on board with going offense first. I loved the first couple rounds. 

 

But we need a solid presence in the middle of the zone, and that’s not Klein. He didn’t play enough to get too much film on what we were doing. He’s a stop gap, not the answer. 

they either put him on heavy(good) TE's or he hit the gaps in the running game. In the passing game he was flipped out for an extra corner. 

[NeverOutNick]

2 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

London Fletcher couldn’t cover
 

This guy can

 

But I understand the comparisons. Honestly, he’s only 5 pounds lighter in the same height as Lavonte David.

I watched a lot of David coming out of Nebraska, he was born to be a LBer. I hope this kid is even, David Lite. If so I’ll be ecstatic with him leading the D

[Buffalo_Stampede]

6 hours ago, 3rdand12 said:

Some may be transferring their angst about not solving the MLB gap post Edmunds.

key position (my opinion ) with a player who needs to develop. Or one who has a fairly low perceived low ceiling already on the roster.

I might be one of those people  LOL

My feelings on MLB is if they wanted someone with more proven success they could’ve had him. Everything they’re doing is by plan. So I’m not worried about it.

 

Yes there were other players I wanted but from the Bills point of view they have a plan. There was very little LB talk in UFA connected to the Bills. I believe the only talk was David saying it would’ve been different if Von reached out.

 

I think it’s very possible we see a lot of Milano and Rapp next year. 

Edited May 4, 2023 by Buffalo_Stampede

[blacklabel]

I dunno, I get a good vibe from the guy. I think he's gonna be fine. People forget that Milano also converted from safety. Seems like he has a pretty good feel for the game and he flies to the ball. They'll coach him up and I wouldn't be surprised if he sees a fair bit of playing time. 

[In Summary]

On 4/30/2023 at 11:22 PM, John from Riverside said:

I didn’t realize this, but it’s worth noting
 

Lavante David was the guy we were all clamoring for to replace Edmonds

 

Lavonte David is 61 233 pounds

 

Dorian Williams is 61 228 pounds

Good point.  If I can gain 5 lb in 3 days, a pro can certainly do it before camp.

[TheyCallMeAndy]

14 hours ago, Allen2Moulds said:

I think him being undersized is greatly exaggerated. 250 is not the norm, it's the exception. Average linebackers are around 230-235. He was 229. 

Thank you.

 

Lots of 90’s thinking here. This is modern NFL LB size.

 

If we winds up being Matt Milano V2 no one will complain that they are both under 230.

[Nephilim17]

I was listening to Greg Cosell talk about the BIlls draft and he said that he liked Williams and that he played "bigger" than his size and bigger than Bernard. Said he was a good hitter. So that gave me some confidence.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

3 hours ago, In Summary said:

Good point.  If I can gain 5 lb in 3 days, a pro can certainly do it before camp.

1 night for me.

[gobills404]

On 5/3/2023 at 12:01 PM, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Either way we needed LB depth added the last 2 years. A 3rd is a good way to add depth. Hopefully they both develop into starters.

The Bills did not need more LB depth at all this year. Already had 6 guys who have been on the 53 man roster in recent years.