RyanC883 Posted April 12, 2023 Share Posted April 12, 2023 3 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Jalen Carter (so long as you have assured yourself on the chatacter question) and Will Anderson. They are the only two I'd call "can't miss". I think Paris Johnson, Devin Witherspoon, Christian Gonzalez and Joey Porter Jnr are the next tier of guys with elite potential and few holes. Everyone else has at least one key question to answer IMO. Good list, but Joey Porter Jr. is an interesting addition. I hear he has issues with playing the ball rather than the receiver (very sticky in coverage, but not elite ball skills). Of course, I haven't watched him almost at all, and he does seem like someone you could flip to safety if the ball skills become an issue. I'd put the OT from Northwestern (who I can't spell) in here also. I think he is at worst an above-average OT/OG, and pans out to be a pro-bowl type OG. 1 hour ago, NastyNateSoldiers said: There about the same level but 2002 had Julius Peppers , Dwight Freeney, Albert Hanesworth , Clinton Portis , John Henderson & Jeremy Shockey amongst others. I don’t see any Freeney or Peppers in this draft. Freeney had the issue of being small, that' why he went #11 (as I recall). I think the NW OT/G becomes a stud following the draft this year. I think B. Robinson is better than Portis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NastyNateSoldiers Posted April 12, 2023 Share Posted April 12, 2023 2 minutes ago, RyanC883 said: Good list, but Joey Porter Jr. is an interesting addition. I hear he has issues with playing the ball rather than the receiver (very sticky in coverage, but not elite ball skills). Of course, I haven't watched him almost at all, and he does seem like someone you could flip to safety if the ball skills become an issue. I'd put the OT from Northwestern (who I can't spell) in here also. I think he is at worst an above-average OT/OG, and pans out to be a pro-bowl type OG. Freeney had the issue of being small, that' why he went #11 (as I recall). I think the NW OT/G becomes a stud following the draft this year. I think B. Robinson is better than Portis. If Robinson is better then Portis then we must take him if he falls to #27. Maybe even trade up to 22 give up a forth why not. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted April 12, 2023 Share Posted April 12, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, RyanC883 said: Good list, but Joey Porter Jr. is an interesting addition. I hear he has issues with playing the ball rather than the receiver (very sticky in coverage, but not elite ball skills). Of course, I haven't watched him almost at all, and he does seem like someone you could flip to safety if the ball skills become an issue. I'd put the OT from Northwestern (who I can't spell) in here also. I think he is at worst an above-average OT/OG, and pans out to be a pro-bowl type OG. I think Porter is safe as houses personally. Kid can play. Skoronski I agree if a team drafts him to play guard. I worry if you play him LT he might fail fast. Edited April 12, 2023 by GunnerBill 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsShredder83 Posted April 12, 2023 Share Posted April 12, 2023 3 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Jalen Carter (so long as you have assured yourself on the chatacter question) and Will Anderson. They are the only two I'd call "can't miss". I think Paris Johnson, Devin Witherspoon, Christian Gonzalez and Joey Porter Jnr are the next tier of guys with elite potential and few holes. Everyone else has at least one key question to answer IMO. If Carter were around when we picked im reluctantly taking him, knowing damn well i think its a stupid idea. Dude was so fat that he couldnt finish combine drills? He very possibly could be depressed, and thats fair, i get it it sucks.... but he feels like the type that wouldve shown up this way even without the accident. Im sure im biased from Marcel, but out of shape, questionable character DT's are maybe the scariest prospects. Whoever takes him better get him help ASAP, and find short term goals (consistently) to keep him motivated. Gun to my head response though, im saying Bust. His floor is me lol Ceiling is probably Suh 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted April 12, 2023 Share Posted April 12, 2023 1 minute ago, BillsShredder83 said: If Carter were around when we picked im reluctantly taking him, knowing damn well i think its a stupid idea. Dude was so fat that he couldnt finish combine drills? He very possibly could be depressed, and thats fair, i get it it sucks.... but he feels like the type that wouldve shown up this way even without the accident. Im sure im biased from Marcel, but out of shape, questionable character DT's are maybe the scariest prospects. Whoever takes him better get him help ASAP, and find short term goals (consistently) to keep him motivated. Gun to my head response though, im saying Bust. His floor is me lol Ceiling is probably Suh Yea you have to be comfortable with the off field. And that is the stuff an amateur just cannot know. Teams who have met with him and have access to the people who have been around him have a much better shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maynard Posted April 12, 2023 Share Posted April 12, 2023 Will Anderson is definitely a can’t miss prospect. I’d then maybe go Robinson. This draft is pretty meh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ControllerOfPlanetX Posted April 12, 2023 Share Posted April 12, 2023 Only NFL GMs know for sure….and they don’t know… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted April 12, 2023 Share Posted April 12, 2023 4 hours ago, Yantha said: Maybe not probowl material like the OP states, but "potential for instant impact" LB Jack Campbell DT Jalen Carter DT Calijah Kancey S Brian Branch OC John Michael Schmitz CB Devon Witherspoon TE Dalton Kincaid RB Bijan Robinson TE Michael Mayer OT Cody Mauch (if me shifts over to OG) RB Zach Charbonnet "later round"....... DE Karl Brooks (underrated) DT Kobie Turner DT Moro Ojomo OT Blake Freeland RB Tyaje Spears LB Ivan Pace Jr. (has potential to be a top special team gunner) That's all I got for can't miss... I'm not disputing your list, but no WR? Typically every draft has a guy or two that turns out to be very good. If WR is that bad, then Beane had better double down on the trenches. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted April 13, 2023 Share Posted April 13, 2023 1 hour ago, Ethan in Cleveland said: I'm not disputing your list, but no WR? Typically every draft has a guy or two that turns out to be very good. If WR is that bad, then Beane had better double down on the trenches. WR stinks this year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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boyst Posted April 13, 2023 Share Posted April 13, 2023 6 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Before my time. 2015 is kinda my low water mark. 2013 wasn't great at the top (might have had zero "can't miss" guys at the time) but that was a good draft from like 25-100. It just had no QBs and no star names. 2015 was a bad class. At the time people didn't think that way because it had two highly touted QBs at the top. But neither Winston nor Mariota ended up hitting and after that it was very weak. Before your time how? How old are you??? Am I that far off? I thought you were 40ish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted April 13, 2023 Share Posted April 13, 2023 36 minutes ago, DJB said: WR stinks this year really? There’s around 15 WR’s I like. Maybe I’m desperate haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigK14094 Posted April 13, 2023 Share Posted April 13, 2023 7 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Jalen Carter (so long as you have assured yourself on the chatacter question) and Will Anderson. They are the only two I'd call "can't miss". I think Paris Johnson, Devin Witherspoon, Christian Gonzalez and Joey Porter Jnr are the next tier of guys with elite potential and few holes. Everyone else has at least one key question to answer IMO. Carter has a risk, that of being Darius v2.0 No thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeverOutNick Posted April 13, 2023 Share Posted April 13, 2023 Will Anderson, Jalen Carter and Devon Witherspoon seem like the 3 guaranteed can’t miss 3 guys I want to succeed because they’re just fun to watch are Zay Flowers, Dalton Kincaid and Deuce Vaughn 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nosejob Posted April 13, 2023 Share Posted April 13, 2023 (edited) 7 hours ago, Shaw66 said: That's always the way it's seemed to me. I paid a lot more attention to the draft when the Bills were picking in the top 10, and I always thought that at 10 the Bills were just outside of the premier-player range. I haven't paid attention this season, but it's noticeable that no one is talking guys as absolute locks. I think that's what's wrong with a lot of posters complaining about the team's drafts. WE PICK 5 FROM THE BOTTOM IN EVERY RD PEOPLE! We have 6 picks. So let's scrap our 3rd yr. RT in favor of a rookie with our rd.1 pick or.....let's blow our top pick (or any pick,) on a RB! No wait!!! We need to get another small 170 lb. WR....or one that's been injured. Out of an entire class with maybe 2 1st rd. talents, who'll be long gone before 27, we should trade up! We need to make a Sammy type of deal ( which now would probably get us up 5-7 spots maybe) or give up all our picks! Beane sucks!!!! I waited 25 yrs. in between playoff rosters. Frazier is gone! We'll get guys back healthy and I'm looking forward to this camp and season! No one....not one will know the exact spot McBeane shall pickith. The amount of complaining about the GM and H.C. that lacks intelligence is getting to epidemic proportions. Edited April 13, 2023 by nosejob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted April 13, 2023 Share Posted April 13, 2023 when I hear "can't miss" the next words I hear is "generational talent" Not in this draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Junction Posted April 13, 2023 Share Posted April 13, 2023 7 hours ago, OldTimer1960 said: Excellent point on Robinson - against Alabama and TCU his avg per carry was sub 3. Nobody (except maybe Barry Sanders) is effective when there is no place to run. Even Barry got snuffed. Notably against the Packers in the playoffs where they held him to -1 yards on 13 carries. Oline matters, especially against elite Dlines backed by mobile LBers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted April 13, 2023 Share Posted April 13, 2023 1 hour ago, Warriorspikes51 said: really? There’s around 15 WR’s I like. Maybe I’m desperate haha No sure fire studs and maybe one guy that jumps out as a first rounder. It’s not great at the top Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Junction Posted April 13, 2023 Share Posted April 13, 2023 (edited) 14 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said: when I hear "can't miss" the next words I hear is "generational talent" Not in this draft. Sometimes elite players emerge, but it usually takes the later round guys 2-3 seasons to do so. I’m sure there’s someone who’s been overlooked or a physical freak who hasn’t been developed due to small school or something in this draft class. Who that is??? No one will know ahead of time. Just makes me think of Elvis Dumervil, Jason Peters, John Randall, Hardy Nickerson, etc. There’s usually at least one of two in a class that turn into HOF talents. Edited April 13, 2023 by Buffalo Junction 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted April 13, 2023 Author Share Posted April 13, 2023 For me, the concept of only 5-10 “can’t miss” prospects is fascinating and goes to show the skill level in the NFL. It also definitively answers the question of “could the best college team hold their own against the worst nfl team”. No. Not even close. Think about how many players are in college. Granted, they have to be Jr or Sr, but still. Out of all those players, how little of them make a solid NFL career for themselves or perform at a high level. Just crazy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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