Lamar Jackson wants guarantees that exceed Watson contract

[Billl]

On 4/11/2023 at 10:10 AM, Billl said:

I don't disagree that he's taking what I would consider to be too big of a risk, but it's paid off so far in that he didn't sustain an injury that will prevent him from playing in future seasons.  My assumption is that he will eventually sign a long term deal that pays him a little less than what he's asking for but more than the $133 million guaranteed over 5 years he supposedly turned down.  As of this minute, he has lost nothing in terms of realized income, though.

 

As for endorsements, this doesn't impact anything.  He's never been particularly marketable as a spokesperson.  His contract won't impact that in the slightest.

 

I want to be clear that if I were advising him, I'd suggest signing the best long term deal he can get this off-season.  I'm simply disputing the notion that he's somehow already earned less than he would have if he'd taken the deal last year (not to mention the absurd claims that his salary 2 years ago was somehow impacted by not signing an offer that didn't get made until  September of 2022).

 

On 4/10/2023 at 10:10 PM, Billl said:

So you think he’s not going to make $133M in the next 3 seasons?  That’s the bar, and I’ll take the over.

 

On 4/10/2023 at 10:17 PM, KzooMike said:

Not guaranteed he won’t 

 

On 4/11/2023 at 8:20 AM, Einstein said:

 

I genuinely don’t think he understands. He keeps talking about how Lamar will make more on the transition tag this year than Allen, ignoring the previous 2 year payday. Ravens offered Lamar a huge deal in 2021.  He also says Lamar’s deal is independent of Allen’s, despite the Ravens offering Lamar a contract worth more than Allen’s. He also compared Lamar’s strategy to Kirk, which isn’t the same as Kirk played under franchise tags, not transition tags, which is a large monetary difference, AND Kirk wasn’t being offered the second largest QB contract in the league and turning it down. I genuinely think he is just ignorant in this particular conversation.

This has been a fun re-read.

[HappyDays]

1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Wow, I was right again. 

 

Weird victory lap. He got his big contract two years later than he should have. He will never get that money back. Still no endorsement deals either.

[Einstein]

1 minute ago, HappyDays said:

 

Weird victory lap. He got his big contract two years later than he should have. He will never get that money back. Still no endorsement deals either.

 

They don't get it...

[Freddie's Dead]

This thread is *****in' hilarious.  Le'Veon Bell redux.  Idiot agent with an idiot client.

 

[NoSaint]

2 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

Weird victory lap. He got his big contract two years later than he should have. He will never get that money back. Still no endorsement deals either.

yup. Took on big risk to get less overall and maybe miss a 3rd contract 

 

that said, i should be so dumb as to ear 260m, so I can only mock him so much but it certainly wasn’t the optimum outcome 

[C.Biscuit97]

They gave Lamar a bag and finally got him some receivers. 
 

AFC is going to be a beast this year. 

[Mikie2times]

16 hours ago, Billl said:

 

 

 

This has been a fun re-read.

Dude, you actually have time to remember and circle back with people that disagreed with you on an internet forum? You must be a hit in real life. 

[Doc]

16 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

Props to Doc for being right!

 

Thanks but this was pretty obvious.  And I never once said that he didn't deserve the contract he got, just not a fully guaranteed one.  And he didn't get one.  

[Mr. WEO]

16 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Props to Doc for being right!

 

the entire human race was predicting Jackson would not get a fully guaranteed contract.....

 

Anyway, the Ravens are stuck with Cam Newton 2.0 for years to come.  260 mil for maybe a WC win or 2. 

[DrDawkinstein]

34 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

the entire human race was predicting Jackson would not get a fully guaranteed contract.....

 

Anyway, the Ravens are stuck with Cam Newton 2.0 for years to come.  260 mil for maybe a WC win or 2. 

 

I know. I was mostly sticking it to C Biscuit and Billl who were in the middle of their "victory lap" claiming how right they were. Figured congratulating someone else would be a funny/dick move. And Doc, and the rest of us, were right.

 

 

Edited April 28, 2023 by DrDawkinstein

[prissythecat]

On 3/24/2023 at 11:32 PM, Governor said:

I think the Ravens are praying someone trades for him but it doesn’t look like it’s going to happen. At that point they’re basically screwed and he will probably sit or the Ravens could make an example out of him and just bench him. It could get ugly.

 

I said 2 years ago that the Jackson experiment in Baltimore was coming to a close and I still believe that. That first Bills game made their decision for them. That was his ceiling.

 

It’s time to move on before they all get fired.

 

 

So  I've missed the developments in the past week,   did the Jackson experiment come to a close?   

[Dopey]

Listening to WGR right now and they're saying Lamar just signed the contract and received  a $72.5 million signing bonus. Spotrac says he made $23 million last year. Base salary of almost $32.5 million this year. Not too shabby for someone who "needed" an agent, "badly". Good for him. And his Mom. 

[C.Biscuit97]

On 4/28/2023 at 11:27 AM, DrDawkinstein said:

 

I know. I was mostly sticking it to C Biscuit and Billl who were in the middle of their "victory lap" claiming how right they were. Figured congratulating someone else would be a funny/dick move. And Doc, and the rest of us, were right.

 

 

Are you Ashton Kutcher and I’m being punk’d? How is getting 260 million and 185 mil not a victory lap? How are the idiots (you’re classier than that)  who called Lamar a moron not wrong? Is that like how Bills fan try to act like Mahomes isn’t really that good but a product of their system?
 

Dude got his bag and the Ravens are getting  him weapons.  He hit the lottery and I’m happy for him. 

[Captain Hindsight]

9 minutes ago, Dopey said:

Listening to WGR right now and they're saying Lamar just signed the contract and received  a $72.5 million signing bonus. Spotrac says he made $23 million last year. Base salary of almost $32.5 million this year. Not too shabby for someone who "needed" an agent, "badly". Good for him. And his Mom. 

I think very few expected he wouldn't be a well-paid individual, but most expected (correctly) a 100% guaranteed deal was not an option

[Sestak4ever]

Now Jackson says with all the weapons they have he wants to throw for 6,000 yards! Best laugh of the day!😆 Maybe he meant over the course of 3 seasons.

[Dopey]

2 minutes ago, Captain Hindsight said:

I think very few expected he wouldn't be a well-paid individual, but most expected (correctly) a 100% guaranteed deal was not an option

I never expected it either. I don't blame him for using the Watson contract as a starting point, though. If you don't ask, they can't say yes. 

[Einstein]

1 hour ago, Dopey said:

Listening to WGR right now and they're saying Lamar just signed the contract and received  a $72.5 million signing bonus. Spotrac says he made $23 million last year. Base salary of almost $32.5 million this year. Not too shabby for someone who "needed" an agent, "badly". Good for him. And his Mom. 

 

Your numbers are way off and Lamar not having an agent cost him a lot of money.

 

Lamar has a base salary of $7.5M (not $32.5M).

As the Ravens GM (Eric Decosta) said, the contract Lamar ended up signing is basically the same contract the Ravens offered him last year and he refused. Essentially, Lamar went into free agency thinking he would be a hot commodity and quickly realized that the wasn't. So he went back to the Ravens with his tail between his legs and took the same deal they offered him last year.

 

Because he signed essentially the same deal he refused last year, what he did was trade a year of his career for $23M. Had he taken the deal last year, he would have earned $80M in 2022 ... instead of $23M.

 

He also would have have been a free agent 1 year sooner, thus resulting in another contract (and pay day) one year sooner.

 

 

[Mr. WEO]

32 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

Your numbers are way off and Lamar not having an agent cost him a lot of money.

 

Lamar has a base salary of $7.5M (not $32.5M).

As the Ravens GM (Eric Decosta) said, the contract Lamar ended up signing is basically the same contract the Ravens offered him last year and he refused. Essentially, Lamar went into free agency thinking he would be a hot commodity and quickly realized that the wasn't. So he went back to the Ravens with his tail between his legs and took the same deal they offered him last year.

 

Because he signed essentially the same deal he refused last year, what he did was trade a year of his career for $23M. Had he taken the deal last year, he would have earned $80M in 2022 ... instead of $23M.

 

He also would have have been a free agent 1 year sooner, thus resulting in another contract (and pay day) one year sooner.

 

 

 

This.  

 

Guys a doofus.  Held out for the dumbest reason.

 

Played for chump change last year.  But he couldn't answer the bell after the first week in December---again. So maybe he was overpaid last year. 

[BuffaloBillyG]

2 hours ago, Sestak4ever said:

Now Jackson says with all the weapons they have he wants to throw for 6,000 yards! Best laugh of the day!😆 Maybe he meant over the course of 3 seasons.

Will be really impressive considering he's good for about 12 games a season the last couple of years.

[Doc]

1 hour ago, Einstein said:

Your numbers are way off and Lamar not having an agent cost him a lot of money.

 

Lamar has a base salary of $7.5M (not $32.5M).

As the Ravens GM (Eric Decosta) said, the contract Lamar ended up signing is basically the same contract the Ravens offered him last year and he refused. Essentially, Lamar went into free agency thinking he would be a hot commodity and quickly realized that the wasn't. So he went back to the Ravens with his tail between his legs and took the same deal they offered him last year.

 

Because he signed essentially the same deal he refused last year, what he did was trade a year of his career for $23M. Had he taken the deal last year, he would have earned $80M in 2022 ... instead of $23M.

 

He also would have have been a free agent 1 year sooner, thus resulting in another contract (and pay day) one year sooner.

 

Yeah, he became fixated with the guaranteed deal Watson got and wouldn't listen to anything else.  He didn't need an agent to get him a deal he just needed to be reasonable.