Should we trade Ed Oliver?

[RussellDopeland]

The twitter discussion that the Cover 1 guys have been tossing around- signing Poona Ford, trading Oliver and 3rd to Denver for Jeudy, then resigning Jordan Phillips or another such vet DT- does intrigue me. But if Oliver were to be traded, who would take the "whipping boy" mantle he's inherited from Edmunds?🤔

Edited March 19, 2023 by RussellDopeland

[IndyMark]

16 minutes ago, 1st&ten said:

This has probably been mentioned before, but could Ed play DE or is he too big ?  He has quickness and he's listed at 287 lbs ---Basham is listed at 281 lbs.

Yes, this has been addressed prior (a lot) and "big" is a relative term for football.  Ed is small as it relates to IDL, no question.  He is about 25 pounds too light with shorter than average arms.  So, not only does that translate to his very average IDL play where he is easily consumed by blockers, he would fare even worse on the edge as a pass rusher.  He would not be able to generate the leverage necessary or engage OL in a manner that would help him win those battles.

 

Ed is dependent on everything around him being optimal before he can impact a game.  See both the Cincinnati playoff game (zero impact) and Detroit Thanksgiving game where he had impact (was going against a 3rd tier back up, DaQaun was playing as was Von).

 

Trading Ed is the best thing Beane could do as his cap hit is not proportional to his impact. He is just too expensive for what he does for our defense. 

12 minutes ago, RussellDopeland said:

But if Oliver were to be traded, who would take the "whipping boy" mantle he's inherited from Edmunds?🤔

 

Actually some of his were sharing concerns about Ed before this year, so for some fans he did not inherit the mantle from Edmunds, he was holding it all along.

[Chas56]

15 minutes ago, IndyMark said:

Yes, this has been addressed prior (a lot) and "big" is a relative term for football.  Ed is small as it relates to IDL, no question.  He is about 25 pounds too light with shorter than average arms.  So, not only does that translate to his very average IDL play where he is easily consumed by blockers, he would fare even worse on the edge as a pass rusher.  He would not be able to generate the leverage necessary or engage OL in a manner that would help him win those battles.

 

Ed is dependent on everything around him being optimal before he can impact a game.  See both the Cincinnati playoff game (zero impact) and Detroit Thanksgiving game where he had impact (was going against a 3rd tier back up, DaQaun was playing as was Von).

 

Trading Ed is the best thing Beane could do as his cap hit is not proportional to his impact. He is just too expensive for what he does for our defense. 

 

I agree with this 100%. It would open a hole, yet close a hole. But they need help up the middle, and Oliver isn’t getting it done, either in run defense or penetration. Is DT a better position to be drafting than WR, OL, or LB, which are positions of need that I would like to see in a trade?

[HappyDays]

 

[Royale with Cheese]

1 minute ago, HappyDays said:

 

 

Enjoyed is past tense...

[mathja]

Something has to be cooking. 

[SCBills]

Yea.. he's getting traded.  Multiple emo IG posts.  Too much smoke now. 

[Figster]

 

[Warriorspikes51]

1 minute ago, Figster said:

 

the DT $ market is through the roof.  Some teams might have really liked him coming out of college and believe he hasn’t reached his potential

7 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Yea.. he's getting traded.  Multiple emo IG posts.  Too much smoke now. 

certainly appears that way

[SCBills]

Just now, Figster said:

 

 

What's "meaningful"?

 

I am clearly not a big Ed Oliver fan, but tweets like this are also annoying.   We can move Oliver.  Look at what some of these DT's are getting paid..  

 

He's a young player, and he is talented - despite the very valid criticisms.  I am sure quite a few GM's were high on out of college.  It's a one year commitment and you get him in-house, with the ability to see how he fits on your Defense.  

 

 

[Figster]

2 minutes ago, SCBills said:

 

What's "meaningful"?

 

I am clearly not a big Ed Oliver fan, but tweets like this are also annoying.   We can move Oliver.  Look at what some of these DT's are getting paid..  

 

He's a young player, and he is talented - despite the very valid criticisms.  I am sure quite a few GM's were high on out of college.  It's a one year commitment and you get him in-house, with the ability to see how he fits on your Defense.  

 

 

 

[SoCal Deek]

I’ve always likened Oliver to Dante Whitner back in the day. A really high draft pick who was healthy more than he wasn’t. Who was a solid contributor but certainly not a star. And who’ll eventually pass through the lore of Bills history for the years he gave us, but who’ll inevitably move along. Would the Bills entertain an offer now? Sure. Will they get a decent offer? I really doubt it. 

Edited March 22, 2023 by SoCal Deek

[FluffHead]

Ed as part of a Hopkins trade….git r dun 

[Warriorspikes51]

Just now, FluffHead said:

Ed as part of a Hopkins trade….git r dun 

Not sure how they are at DT  but if the Cardinals retained 6M like Texans did with Cook,  we'd only be adding 3 mil in cap space for this year with a Oliver for Hopkins swap. I assume we would also be sending a draft pick.

[TOboy]

I’ve been in the don’t trade Ed camp, primarily because it would be just as expensive to replace him. Plus he’s got a higher ceiling than other DT’s making $10M. 
 

That said, it does feel like something is cooking. If we can somehow turn him into Hopkins, I’ll be thrilled as our offense would become truly elite. 

[Simon]

On 3/19/2023 at 3:00 PM, IndyMark said:

So, not only does that translate to his very average IDL play where he is easily consumed by blockers, he would fare even worse on the edge as a pass rusher.

 

This is a giant load.

He's not only drawing doubles all year, which he was able to beat more often than most, he's also spent multiple snaps this year playing the edge.

As for your complaints about the Cincy game, watch the tape and in additional to doubles, you'll actually see him drawing THREE guys at times.

The Bengals staff clearly knew who the Bills' biggest defensive threat was and devoted a huge chunk of their game plan to him.

[Warriorspikes51]

Or we could just trade Oliver to a different team and then use that draft pick along with 1 of ours from next year to complete the deal

[4merper4mer]

People making Ed Oliver out as if he is some sort of terrible player is a joke.  Clueless.  I guess since Edmunds is gone, someone had to pick up the negativity slack.  

[Low Positive]

7 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said:

People making Ed Oliver out as if he is some sort of terrible player is a joke.  Clueless.  I guess since Edmunds is gone, someone had to pick up the negativity slack.  

For me, he is not a terrible player at all. But he didn't live up to his draft position and Beane doesn't seem to intend to extend him. Might as well get something if you can and use that cap space elsewhere. The fans on his new team won't hate on him so much because the draft position won't be a factor for them.

[The Firebaugh Kid]

I absolutely loved Oliver coming out of college but he has been overall a disappointment. For where he was drafted we expected a lot more and rightfully so.