Will DeAndre Hopkins be available this offseason?

[Dr. Who]

Just now, 4merper4mer said:

That would be monumentally stupid too.

Apparently as of right now, that's the asking price and there are multiple teams interested. I didn't say you should pay that price, I said that was the likely ask.

[Zerovoltz]

Just now, BillsVet said:

 

The benefit of trading a 2nd is that McBeane don't have a chance to over-draft a Cody Ford, Boogie Basham, or James Cook type player.  

 

 

KC signed Watkins to that 3 year 16 AAV contract with one 1,000 yard season on his then 4 year NFL career.

 

Hopkins is a 10 year vet with 6 1,000+ seasons with 5 1st or 2nd All-Pro selections. 

 

The only similarity is the cost of the contract, of which Watkins' was in UFA as opposed to what comes over in a prospective trade. 

 

Watkins was injury prone....and remained so in KC.  He cost a ton and we didn't even have to give up draft capital for him.  Mahomes was every bit as good in games with him as without him.  That money would have been better spent elswhere.

 

Hopkins is a 10 year vet who has been a great player....but he's missed 11 games to injury the last 2 years and his YAC has been declining recently.  He's best knowns a a contested catch guy, but those numbers in sutations regarded as contested throws, have also been in decline.  I'm not saying Hopkins can't help.  He's still got gas in the tank....but for what his contract is, plus the draft picks.  NOT WORTH IT.  you aren't getting any kind of big ROI on this at all.  

[HappyDays]

2 hours ago, NewEra said:

If we don’t go for it now, signing von and all those restructures were a complete waste 

 

That's a great point. We didn't pull off all those restructures just so we could sign Connor McGovern and Deonte Harty.

[TOboy]

1 minute ago, HappyDays said:

 

That's a great point. We didn't pull off all those restructures just so we could sign Connor McGovern and Deonte Harty.

Technically we did it to get under the cap. 
 

But I agree, SOMETHING is cooking. 

[HappyDays]

2 hours ago, OldTimer1960 said:

I believe that being consistently in the mix will maximize their chances of winning a Super Bowl as compared with “all in for a year, then rebuild”.

 

Here's the problem - every year you're competing with teams that went all in for that year. If we had drafted one or two more true difference makers we wouldn't be having this conversation. But since we didn't, we're in danger of falling further behind in the AFC arms race. I don't want to constantly be stuck in divisional round hell just to proudly say "my team was in the mix."

 

Edited March 26, 2023 by HappyDays

[Zerovoltz]

Just now, HappyDays said:

 

Here's the problem - every year you're competing with teams that went all in for that year. If we had drafted one or more true difference makers we wouldn't be having this conversation. But since we didn't, we're in danger of falling further behind in the AFC arms race. I don't want to constantly be stuck in divisional round hell just to proudly say "my team was in the mix."

I'm going to agree with the long term builder stance on this.  IF you believe...as I do...that ALLEN is the big driver behind the Bills being a Super Bowl contender, and not the roster around him...(It's ALLEN)  then you ought to be looking at every single season as a shot to win a trophy and not loading up for one year.  

 

I also agree though, that since the chips are already forward on Miller, etc....that since youa re committed to an all in type sceanrio, committ all the way.  I still think even given this, that Hopkins costs too much for what you get.  I'd wait until the Cards come off the high asking price at least.

[HappyDays]

52 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

Wow, Spotrac has this year's cap at $224.8M and already has next year's at $235M.

 

That's a bad estimate on their part. The cap this year is $16.6 million more than it was in 2022. Next year's increase is going to be even greater because of all the network and streaming deals kicking in.

[Aussie Joe]

2 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

That's a bad estimate on their part. The cap this year is $16.6 million more than it was in 2022. Next year's increase is going to be even greater because of all the network and streaming deals kicking in.

 

Maybe Spotrac got the number wrong.. although he is right about player contracts going up as the cap goes up.. Elite WRs and OT getting $30M a year and that will go up as the cap goes up...

 

 

[HappyDays]

You know what picture you see when you look up tranquility in the dictionary?

 

[John from Riverside]

24 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said:

That would be monumentally stupid too.

I wouldn’t do it straight up
If we got their second rounder?

[ngbills]

12 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Here's the problem - every year you're competing with teams that went all in for that year. If we had drafted one or two more true difference makers we wouldn't be having this conversation. But since we didn't, we're in danger of falling further behind in the AFC arms race. I don't want to constantly be stuck in divisional round hell just to proudly say "my team was in the mix."

 

Yep. No way around spending $. You draft well you can spend less on free agents but will have to if you want to keep those guys. Draft poorly and you’re constantly paying to get talent. Key is getting the QB position right. Do that and you do whatever is needed to win because you have a shot. 

[ColoradoBills]

3 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

That's a bad estimate on their part. The cap this year is $16.6 million more than it was in 2022. Next year's increase is going to be even greater because of all the network and streaming deals kicking in.

 

Right now Spotrac is going with its $10M per year increase.  It will go up some.

 

My point is if it goes up for the Bills it goes up for their rivals.  KC has $74M in space next year according to OTC.

That's what I mean about "relative".

 

I've already said that if a deal is made for Hopkins, I will be excited.  It better work because it will cause pain somewhere else next season.

It's a big risk IMO and I don't know if I would pull the trigger if it was up to me.

[Buffalo Bills Fan]

11 minutes ago, Zerovoltz said:

I'm going to agree with the long term builder stance on this.  IF you believe...as I do...that ALLEN is the big driver behind the Bills being a Super Bowl contender, and not the roster around him...(It's ALLEN)  then you ought to be looking at every single season as a shot to win a trophy and not loading up for one year.  

 

I also agree though, that since the chips are already forward on Miller, etc....that since youa re committed to an all in type sceanrio, committ all the way.  I still think even given this, that Hopkins costs too much for what you get.  I'd wait until the Cards come off the high asking price at least.

Bill's also faced many situations ( prayers for Kim pegula and glad damar is doing ok). The heat game. Miller on it, Philips played with one good arm, lost Hyde damar, poyer played injuries. Every player on defense missed a game this year. Daquan Jones missed Bills last game. He is second best d-line behind Miller. 

 

Allen played hurt rest of year. Wr core not that great. There is so many more possibly missing.

[Reed83HOF]

5 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

This thread has gone on so long I've now been fooled twice by the same poster posting the same fake link taking me to the same picture.

 

I thought you would have been safe 😆 

[Dr. Who]

3 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said:

I thought you would have been safe 😆 

Why do you insist on smuggling selfies into every thread?

[Success]

Oliver & a 4th. 

 

Done.

 

[nosejob]

IMO  it's probably a given that a new gm wants to show he has a set with this big a move.  If some one else doesn't pay through the nose by  draft day, maybe Beane can bend him over or do some kind of 3 way......TRADE.

Just now, nosejob said:

IMO  it's probably a given that a new gm wants to show he has a set with this big a move.  If some one else doesn't pay through the nose by  draft day, maybe Beane can bend him over or do some kind of 3 way......TRADE.

EDIT: 149 woohoo!!!

Just now, nosejob said:

IMO  it's probably a given that a new gm wants to show he has a set with this big a move.  If some one else doesn't pay through the nose by  draft day, maybe Beane can bend him over or do some kind of 3 way......TRADE.

EDIT: 149 woohoo!!!

woops

[BillsFanForever19]

1 minute ago, Success said:

Oliver & a 4th. 

 

Done

 

I mean, if that's what Arizona wanted I'd say do it. But Arizona wants to deal Hopkins to get rid of his salary. Not sure how interested they'd be to take on Oliver for one season at a 10 million cap hit if they're doing the deal to help their cap to begin with.

[nosejob]

See! This stupid thread gave me PTSD!  Possible Trade Scenario Disorder...Dementia...insert your own D word.🤪

[The Wiz]

1 minute ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

I mean, if that's what Arizona wanted I'd say do it. But Arizona wants to deal Hopkins to get rid of his salary. Not sure how interested they'd be to take on Oliver for one season at a 10 million cap hit if they're doing the deal to help their cap to begin with.

One season and 9 million less on the books.  Not a great offer but definitely has a nice appeal to it.