Big Blitz Posted November 15, 2022 Author Share Posted November 15, 2022 (edited) A 100% pure MAGA Republican Governor that is essentially the clean version of Donald Trump wins FLORIDA by 20 points. Despite Democracy being at stake lol lol But yea MAGA isn’t popular. Florida voted for Obama twice. How in the world is any other purple state/district voting different then Florida? What’s different? Floridians understand Democrats are awful but in the now reliably corrupt Arizona and Pennsylvania they’re all in on the greatness the party has delivered? Yea sure. No chance. The “non fraudulent” problem with vote by mail or ballot harvesting is the ease of which in our urban areas for a well organized machine can get ballots from people with likely ZERO intention to vote on election day But if many of those are people that if they are say last minute undecideds of which there are likely millions, they lose out on gaining more info about the candidates they may not have been following by the time the spot light gets brighter - maybe they’re persuaded by the “bandwagon” effect and would have voted another way had said political machine not intervened and got votes sealed early on. The fact we now have it established that the early vote is vastly Democrat is a problem and big time suspect anyway. So when that suddenly shifts - guess who’s going to start claiming actual fraud? Edited November 15, 2022 by Big Blitz 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiGoose Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 8 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: A 100% pure MAGA Republican Governor that is essentially the clean version of Donald Trump wins FLORIDA by 20 points. Despite Democracy being at stake lol lol But yea MAGA isn’t popular. Florida voted for Obama twice. How in the world is any other purple state/district voting different then Florida? What’s different? Floridians understand Democrats are awful but in the now reliably corrupt Arizona and Pennsylvania they’re all in on the greatness the party has delivered? Yea sure. No chance. The “non fraudulent” problem with vote by mail or ballot harvesting is the ease of which in our urban areas for a well organized machine can get ballots from people with likely ZERO intention to vote on election day But if many of those are people that if they are say last minute undecideds of which there are likely millions, they lose out on gaining more info about the candidates they may not have been following by the time the spot light gets brighter - maybe they’re persuaded by the “bandwagon” effect and would have voted another way had said political machine not intervened and got votes sealed early on. The fact we now have it established that the early vote is vastly Democrat is a problem and big time suspect anyway. So when that suddenly shifts - guess who’s going to start claiming actual fraud? My reaction to reading this rambling nonsense: 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pokebball Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 7 hours ago, Doc Brown said: How hard would it be to flip 2 to 5 Republicans (depending on the final results) to vote with Democrats in the House on some things depending on the results? Usually there's at least a 10 seat buffer. Is McCarthy the right man for the job? Having a razor thin majority makes it extremely difficult to both put out legislation and obstruct every democratic legislative proposal. Not very, probably. But the real power shift in the House are committee assignments, what legislation does and doesn't even come to the floor, etc. It's significantly more than vote counts. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 1 hour ago, Pokebball said: Not very, probably. But the real power shift in the House are committee assignments, what legislation does and doesn't even come to the floor, etc. It's significantly more than vote counts. Not to mention investigations, which is the most important imo… 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 3 hours ago, Big Blitz said: A 100% pure MAGA Republican Governor that is essentially the clean version of Donald Trump wins FLORIDA by 20 points. Despite Democracy being at stake lol lol But yea MAGA isn’t popular. Florida voted for Obama twice. How in the world is any other purple state/district voting different then Florida? What’s different? Floridians understand Democrats are awful but in the now reliably corrupt Arizona and Pennsylvania they’re all in on the greatness the party has delivered? Yea sure. No chance. The “non fraudulent” problem with vote by mail or ballot harvesting is the ease of which in our urban areas for a well organized machine can get ballots from people with likely ZERO intention to vote on election day But if many of those are people that if they are say last minute undecideds of which there are likely millions, they lose out on gaining more info about the candidates they may not have been following by the time the spot light gets brighter - maybe they’re persuaded by the “bandwagon” effect and would have voted another way had said political machine not intervened and got votes sealed early on. The fact we now have it established that the early vote is vastly Democrat is a problem and big time suspect anyway. So when that suddenly shifts - guess who’s going to start claiming actual fraud? The voter demographics in Florida and Arizona and Pennsylvania are obviously very different. You can't make an apples to apples comparison and then just blame the actual results on a conspiracy. Florida is in the heart of red state country. Just look at a map. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted November 15, 2022 Author Share Posted November 15, 2022 (edited) 12 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: The voter demographics in Florida and Arizona and Pennsylvania are obviously very different. You can't make an apples to apples comparison and then just blame the actual results on a conspiracy. Florida is in the heart of red state country. Just look at a map. He won by 30,000 votes in 2018 He won by almost TWO MILLION this time. That’s some repudiation of Trumpism. That became the heart of red state country real quick Why has whatever happened there not happened in other purple areas. It makes zero sense - unless DeSantis is the best and most popular politician in America Which he is. I guess it’s that simple then. Edited November 15, 2022 by Big Blitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 9 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: He won by 30,000 votes in 2018 He won by almost TWO MILLION this time. That’s some repudiation of Trumpism. That became the heart of red state country real quick Why has whatever happened there not happened in other purple areas. It makes zero sense - unless DeSantis is the best and most popular politician in America Which he is. I guess it’s that simple then. If the people of a state believe their state is generally well governed, the sitting governor will be re-elected. Regardless of the overall political winds. The national Republican Party sank a ton of money into challenger Heidi Ganahl in Colorado. Incumbent Dem Jared Polis trounced him. Same thing in Michigan. Same reasons in each one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted November 15, 2022 Author Share Posted November 15, 2022 Brick by brick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiGoose Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 8 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: Brick by brick How is this even possible? I was assured that the Dems have rigged the elections! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 22 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: Brick by brick Wonder how they will teach about West Virginia's secession from Virginia? Nothing to do with the west wanting to get away from slaveholders, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 1 hour ago, Big Blitz said: He won by 30,000 votes in 2018 He won by almost TWO MILLION this time. That’s some repudiation of Trumpism. That became the heart of red state country real quick Why has whatever happened there not happened in other purple areas. It makes zero sense - unless DeSantis is the best and most popular politician in America Which he is. I guess it’s that simple then. I agree he's super popular. I guess I didn't realise that was the point you were trying to make. Kari Lake, Blake Masters, etc are not the same type of candidates. And Arizona demographics are not the same as Florida. We're surrounded by blue states and blue migrants. 33 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: How is this even possible? I was assured that the Dems have rigged the elections! They can't make it too obvious.... Duh... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 8 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: I agree he's super popular. I guess I didn't realise that was the point you were trying to make. Kari Lake, Blake Masters, etc are not the same type of candidates. And Arizona demographics are not the same as Florida. We're surrounded by blue states and blue migrants. They can't make it too obvious.... Duh... I’ll ask you, Goatski, for feedback. When Trump was accused of being an illegitimate president, elected in a coup, guilty of treason…and when sitting VP Harris suggested the vaxx developed under a Trump admin couldn’t be trusted, leading to confusion and reinforcing vaxx hesitancy at a time when we all needed to be onboard—-is that disinformation and the same sort of laughable stuff as you see it? We’re 6 years post-election, the illegitimate and Russian agent stuff went nowhere, and Trump certainly didn’t personally make the vaccine in his basement. What say you on all that brand of crazy talk? I ask because context matters to me. I’m fine discussing issues involving allegations of stolen elections, and whether or not proof exists in that regard, but I also try to see the big picture. Most of the left leaning folks seem to prefer to skip that whole deal. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 Republicans Win the House of Representatives. “Nancy Pelosi has been dethroned. The seat that pushed Republicans over the finish line was in California’s 3rd district, won by Kevin Kiley, who has been an outspoken fighter against Gavin Newsom in the state… This isn’t the outcome Republicans expected, but it is something. Winning is better than losing, and with winning comes the ability to dictate committee assignments, floor votes, and investigations. There are going to be a lot of entertaining things happening over the next two years. Buckle up and enjoy the show.” https://redstate.com/bonchie/2022/11/15/breaking-republicans-win-the-house-of-representatives-n659451 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 9 minutes ago, B-Man said: Republicans Win the House of Representatives. “Nancy Pelosi has been dethroned. The seat that pushed Republicans over the finish line was in California’s 3rd district, won by Kevin Kiley, who has been an outspoken fighter against Gavin Newsom in the state… This isn’t the outcome Republicans expected, but it is something. Winning is better than losing, and with winning comes the ability to dictate committee assignments, floor votes, and investigations. There are going to be a lot of entertaining things happening over the next two years. Buckle up and enjoy the show.” https://redstate.com/bonchie/2022/11/15/breaking-republicans-win-the-house-of-representatives-n659451 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted November 16, 2022 Author Share Posted November 16, 2022 28 minutes ago, B-Man said: Republicans Win the House of Representatives. “Nancy Pelosi has been dethroned. The seat that pushed Republicans over the finish line was in California’s 3rd district, won by Kevin Kiley, who has been an outspoken fighter against Gavin Newsom in the state… This isn’t the outcome Republicans expected, but it is something. Winning is better than losing, and with winning comes the ability to dictate committee assignments, floor votes, and investigations. There are going to be a lot of entertaining things happening over the next two years. Buckle up and enjoy the show.” https://redstate.com/bonchie/2022/11/15/breaking-republicans-win-the-house-of-representatives-n659451 Mission Accomplished. Big picture - the Democrats are worthless NY and CA have clearly bled too many morons that moved to Arizona Nevada and Georgia and North Carolina - and those people still voted D. NY and CA got a little bit redder. Interesting development to watch over the next 4-6 years. Maybe sooner. Voters miraculously understand Republicans have it right in Florida as President DeSantis wins by almost 2 million votes - increasing his margin of victory from 2018 by almost….2 million votes. But in Arizona Georgia and Nevada they aren’t so sure. Same Pennsylvania. Makes total sense. DeSantis is just the most popular politician in America. Going to be fun watching Bill Stime and others TDS morph into full blown DDS. It’s already started. Not sure why tho. He clearly runs things better then anyone in America - a 20 point victory. Makes complete sense to me. Divided DC is a just fine by me DC. A conservative SCOTUS. We move forward. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BillStime Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 Losers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 1 hour ago, B-Man said: Republicans Win the House of Representatives. “Nancy Pelosi has been dethroned. The seat that pushed Republicans over the finish line was in California’s 3rd district, won by Kevin Kiley, who has been an outspoken fighter against Gavin Newsom in the state… This isn’t the outcome Republicans expected, but it is something. Winning is better than losing, and with winning comes the ability to dictate committee assignments, floor votes, and investigations. There are going to be a lot of entertaining things happening over the next two years. Buckle up and enjoy the show.” https://redstate.com/bonchie/2022/11/15/breaking-republicans-win-the-house-of-representatives-n659451 Excellent. What are the prospects in the other 14 races? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiGoose Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 7 minutes ago, Doc said: Excellent. What are the prospects in the other 14 races? Looks like we are trending to a GOP majority of fewer than 5 seats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 4 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: Looks like we are trending to a GOP majority of fewer than 5 seats That will do. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiGoose Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 1 minute ago, Doc said: That will do. It’s certainly going to be interesting. There are only a handful of days in a session with full attendance. I do not envy the GOP Speaker trying to whip votes in that environment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 12 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: I’ll ask you, Goatski, for feedback. When Trump was accused of being an illegitimate president, elected in a coup, guilty of treason…and when sitting VP Harris suggested the vaxx developed under a Trump admin couldn’t be trusted, leading to confusion and reinforcing vaxx hesitancy at a time when we all needed to be onboard—-is that disinformation and the same sort of laughable stuff as you see it? We’re 6 years post-election, the illegitimate and Russian agent stuff went nowhere, and Trump certainly didn’t personally make the vaccine in his basement. What say you on all that brand of crazy talk? I ask because context matters to me. I’m fine discussing issues involving allegations of stolen elections, and whether or not proof exists in that regard, but I also try to see the big picture. Most of the left leaning folks seem to prefer to skip that whole deal. You think people who disagree with you are not trying to see the big picture? Its just left leaning folks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 I’m not sure how I feel about Trump running… I like some of his policies but I don’t like how some people worship the man… 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 2 hours ago, LeGOATski said: You think people who disagree with you are not trying to see the big picture? Its just left leaning folks? I’m not certain we even disagree on this issue, that’s why I asked you specifically. I don’t know that you’re left-leaning, but I felt you were clear on the craziness of the stolen election theory based on your post. I ask the question from time to time and haven’t really ever gotten an answer. I don’t think the 2020 election was stolen, not because I think people wouldn’t manipulate the vote (they would), but because I haven’t seen proof of it occurring. I don’t think the 2016 election was illegitimate, a result of a coup, or that Trump committed treason as repeated by leaders in the Democrat party. I guess I just think it’s impossible to have a big picture conversation with people who express outrage over claims of a stolen election in 2020 when they have no concerns over claims that the 62,000,000+ votes cast, or the convincing win in the Electoral votes was illegitimate, represented a coup or that he committed treason in 2016. So, I ask in hopes I get an answer. I usually don’t. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 On 11/8/2022 at 7:16 PM, B-Man said: It's a wave folks. It was? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted November 17, 2022 Author Share Posted November 17, 2022 And expand it to 6 months out from Election Day - I want the season to be as long as an MLB Season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffeesforclosers Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 What's "Ballot Harvesting"? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiGoose Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 3 hours ago, Coffeesforclosers said: What's "Ballot Harvesting"? Ballot harvesting is collecting ballots from multiple people and submitting them. For example, going to a nursing home and collecting people’s ballots and putting them in the ballot drop box. In some states, this is legal. In others, it’s not. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 30 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: Ballot harvesting is collecting ballots from multiple people and submitting them. For example, going to a nursing home and collecting people’s ballots and putting them in the ballot drop box. In some states, this is legal. In others, it’s not. For those coming in late, ballot harvesting or ballot collection happens when one person gathers absentee/mail ballots from many voters – bundling, you might say – for submission at a mail or drop box. This obviously happens on an innocuous micro scale when someone offers to post the completed ballot of a spouse or disabled friend, so it’s usual to define the threshold by reference to quantity (you’re not a collector unless you accept more than, say, three or six ballots) or relationship (it’s okay to do it for family members or persons with a specified incapacity). Restrictions on ballot collection are common around the states. The best known exception is California, which legalized ballot collecting in 2016, upon which Democrats are said to have employed the method quite effectively to increase their vote. Even California, as the Washington Post notes, “has since made it illegal to get paid per ballot collected and for employers to ask employees to bring their ballots into their workplace.” That last point highlights one of the first problems with the practice: the person standing there asking you to hand over your ballot may be someone you have a hard time saying no to, owing to dependence, economic or otherwise. What if it’s a union steward at your workplace, or the political boss of your community, or a patriarchal family member? What if they’re pressing you for a faster decision than you’d prefer to make? There’s a requirement that the envelope be sealed before you hand it over, but that might work mostly as an honor system. If you yield to improper pressure, who’s going to complain to the authorities, or verify a complaint? Contrast all this with the idea behind the secret ballot, the idea of leaving you free to vote your conscience or maybe not vote at all, no matter what powerful people in your life or community may expect of you. As they used to say, it’s just you alone in the voting booth. Next consider the dangers of ballot tampering. Contrary to some imaginings, the abuse that is probably likeliest is not that the collector will switch the choice of party at the top of the ticket. Far harder to police is the practice of “helping” unsophisticated voters by filling in choices for down‐ballot races that they might have left blank on their own. https://www.cato.org/blog/trouble-ballot-harvesting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 So many excuses... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ChiGoose Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 12 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: How is this possible? I thought the Dems rigged the AZ election… 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 10 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: How is this possible? I thought the Dems rigged the AZ election… Hey, Hilly won some states in 2016... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 18 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: How is this possible? I thought the Dems rigged the AZ election… Yep, I still don’t know how joke biden won with so much russian interference? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiGoose Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 26 minutes ago, Westside said: Yep, I still don’t know how joke biden won with so much russian interference? Must have been running against a real loser. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TH3 Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 9 hours ago, B-Man said: For those coming in late, ballot harvesting or ballot collection happens when one person gathers absentee/mail ballots from many voters – bundling, you might say – for submission at a mail or drop box. This obviously happens on an innocuous micro scale when someone offers to post the completed ballot of a spouse or disabled friend, so it’s usual to define the threshold by reference to quantity (you’re not a collector unless you accept more than, say, three or six ballots) or relationship (it’s okay to do it for family members or persons with a specified incapacity). Restrictions on ballot collection are common around the states. The best known exception is California, which legalized ballot collecting in 2016, upon which Democrats are said to have employed the method quite effectively to increase their vote. Even California, as the Washington Post notes, “has since made it illegal to get paid per ballot collected and for employers to ask employees to bring their ballots into their workplace.” That last point highlights one of the first problems with the practice: the person standing there asking you to hand over your ballot may be someone you have a hard time saying no to, owing to dependence, economic or otherwise. What if it’s a union steward at your workplace, or the political boss of your community, or a patriarchal family member? What if they’re pressing you for a faster decision than you’d prefer to make? There’s a requirement that the envelope be sealed before you hand it over, but that might work mostly as an honor system. If you yield to improper pressure, who’s going to complain to the authorities, or verify a complaint? Contrast all this with the idea behind the secret ballot, the idea of leaving you free to vote your conscience or maybe not vote at all, no matter what powerful people in your life or community may expect of you. As they used to say, it’s just you alone in the voting booth. Next consider the dangers of ballot tampering. Contrary to some imaginings, the abuse that is probably likeliest is not that the collector will switch the choice of party at the top of the ticket. Far harder to police is the practice of “helping” unsophisticated voters by filling in choices for down‐ballot races that they might have left blank on their own. https://www.cato.org/blog/trouble-ballot-harvesting Ballot Harvesting definition - GOP Bogeyman for losing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 2 hours ago, TH3 said: Ballot Harvesting definition - GOP Bogeyman for losing It hurts when you try and think. . . . . . . . . . doesn't it ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TH3 Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 7 hours ago, B-Man said: It hurts when you try and think. . . . . . . . . . doesn't it ? Do you clowns ever take stock of these Twitter posters? Kirk is a freaking CHILD Miller is literally one of the worst people…ever… Says more about you than them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 3 hours ago, TH3 said: Do you clowns ever take stock of these Twitter posters? Kirk is a freaking CHILD Miller is literally one of the worst people…ever… Says more about you than them That your "proclamation' about Kirk and Miller is merely YOUR opinion, and you expect that to end any discussion. Says sooooooooo much about you. Meanwhile back to the election thread. Big Update in Lauren Boebert's Race After the Democrat Gains More Votes https://redstate.com/bonchie/2022/11/17/big-update-in-lauren-boeberts-race-after-the-democrat-gains-more-votes-n660419 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 Still counting. . . . . . . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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