No!!! Bradley Chubb to the Dolphins!

[BillyBilliams]

2 hours ago, NewEra said:

I think that’s the point of it. They realize the best time to strike is when you have a Qb on his rookie deal.  Pay everyone around him and you have a contender if the QB is good enough to win games.  Tua looks to be good enough to win games.  Just dunno about the SB.  

 

As much as I like to talk ***** about Miami, you're right.  Tyreek Hill is 28 years old.  Who knows how long he'll be able to keep at this pace of being lightning fast and shifty.  So, they're paying him right now.  He has a $31M cap hit next year.  Miami has the option (and they will do it) of the 5th year for Tua.  He's going to have a low cap hit for 2 more seasons after this.  They know right now their window is this year and 2 more years after that.  By that time, Chubb and Hill will most likely have a good enough dead cap hit that they can restructure or cut them, before they have to pay Waddle.  But they clearly have 2 more seasons after this year for that kind of window.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

1 minute ago, Doc said:

 

I'm betting he demands a new contract after the season.  Like all the other franchise QBs have done.

 

Yeah but the new money starts in year 5, and they can keep the cap hit down for that year of the extension.  So this version of miami has this year +2 more.  

 

 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

2 minutes ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

 

Their defense is loaded with names and high picks, but they aren't good for whatever reason.  They had a really good game against buffalo on 3rd/4th/red zone conversions.  But outside of that game, they've been pretty mediocre at all three.  

I don’t think they stopped Buffalo. It was more Buffalo stopping themselves.

[Virgil]

That is an insane contract for a guy who's been injured half of his career

[BillyBilliams]

13 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

I'm betting he demands a new contract after the season.  Like all the other franchise QBs have done.

Even if he does, he has the 4th year and the 5th year option.  His cap hit wont even take effect until the 2025 season.  Miami is going to be in good shape for a few years if Tua continues to play better.

 

 

So, I just looked, and I was correct.  The year that Tua's contract would take effect, Hill would have a $50.1M cap hit, but a $5.1M Dead Cap.  So they'll get a $45M cap hit relief.  That's just in time to pay Tua and still have the potential to restructure Hill's deal, or find a younger receiver (or pay Waddle).  They gave all his money when Tua wasn't in the rookie deal.  I'm assuming that's what they'll do for Chubb as well.  

Edited November 3, 2022 by BillyBilliams

[C.Biscuit97]

30 minutes ago, ngbills said:

I think drafted players should not count. Have a cap only on free agents and traded players. Reward teams that draft well and encourage teams to keep their own guys which is good for fans as well. 

Very interesting idea. I believe in the nba the team that has the player before they become a free agent can offer more than other teams as an incentive for players to stay with the “local” team. Rarely works though.

[DrDawkinstein]

30 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

I don’t think they stopped Buffalo. It was more Buffalo stopping themselves.

 

It wasn't the Dolphins, that's for sure. Not even sure it was the Bills. It was mostly that massive, 430,000mi wide, 9900° F ball of nuclear fussion burning in the sky that was the only thing that could stop the Bills so far this season.

[FilthyBeast]

1 hour ago, Negan said:

Looking at the Dolphins schedule they could be 1-5 in their next 6 games

@Chicago- L

vs Cleveland - L 

vs Texans - W

@SF - L

@ LA Chargers - L

@ Buffalo - For sure L

 

 

 

 

With all due respect, you haven't been paying attention to the Dolphins if you think they are going 1-5 in these games.

 

Chicago and Cleveland and bad teams and they should win both those fairly easy along with the Texans.

 

I do agree that 3 game road stretch after is going to be brutal but since I believe they are a contender they should win at least one of those, probably SF and/or LAC who have both been very inconsistent this year anyway especially at home. McDaniel is very familiar with the 49ers being their former OC so he knows the team inside and out which will help as well.

[BillyBilliams]

I can see Miami going 3-3 the next 6 games, 2-4 at the ABSOLUTE worst, but no way they go 1-5.

[Jerome007]

On 11/1/2022 at 2:29 PM, FireChans said:

Where was that dude who said the NFL trade deadline sucked and no big trades ever happen?  lol

To be fair it's usually that way. Not this year. And didn't use to be earlier too in the year? I actually liked that. The roster you are on is YOUR roster. In hockey, how can you build true team spirit when you can get traded 5-6 months in the season?

[Low Positive]

50 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Very interesting idea. I believe in the nba the team that has the player before they become a free agent can offer more than other teams as an incentive for players to stay with the “local” team. Rarely works though.

In the NBA a player's current team get what's called "Bird Rights," in that they can offer more money and an additional year. But as you point out, it doesn't work because players have every incentive to team up to form super teams in big/warm-weather markets. This doesn't apply to the NFL because there are no max contracts and there is a hard salary cap. If there was a soft cap (that teams can exceed by paying fines) in the NFL, the Dolphins would be a super team due to the weather and the sheer amount of NFL players that are from South Florida.

 

The NBA makes NFL finances look sane. I just looked this up. The 2022-2023 salary cap in the NBA is $123.7 million. The Warriors payroll is $188.7 million. On top of that, they pay a luxury tax of $164.9 million. THEIR LUXURY TAX PAYMENT EXCEEDS THE SALARY CAP by $42 MILLION.  

[Sestak4ever]

2 hours ago, Virgil said:

That is an insane contract for a guy who's been injured half of his career

Exactly. Even when healthy, however, he hasn’t been a game changer. Lots of money for unrealized potential and under performing.

[H2o]

So, 2023 will be a bit interesting for Miami. They haven't even added the Chubb deal yet on Spotrac and this is what their cap looks like, $11.78M. I see a few places to free up a quick $8M or so, but they will be right up against it next year. 

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/miami-dolphins/cap/2023/

 

[ColoradoBills]

4 hours ago, NewEra said:

Tua will play the next 2 years under his rookie contract.  His big contract will kick in 2025.  Hill, Howard and Chubb will have dead cap hit over 10m.  Those are the only substantial contracts.  
 

some teams want to win now. Whether or not they are good enough to win the SB is unknown, but they have what looks to be a dangerous team for the next 2 years minimum. They’re confidant and I don’t a problem with what they’re doing.   They’re putting Miami back on the nfl map after not winning a playoff game for 20+ years.  
 

there’s several ways to build a champion.  I think they’ve done a helluva job to date.  It may catch up to them.  It may also pay off

 

True, next year Tua's cap hit is only about $10M but in 2024 (5th year option) hit will be closer to $24M.

It's not like he will coming in cheap.  Money wise, things are tightening up for them.

 

As for draft picks they have blown their wad, so going forward they're behind the curve.

2023:  2,3,3,6,7.

2024:  1,2,5,6,7.

They have a good team but will have to work hard to maintain it.

[Virgil]

1 hour ago, H2o said:

So, 2023 will be a bit interesting for Miami. They haven't even added the Chubb deal yet on Spotrac and this is what their cap looks like, $11.78M. I see a few places to free up a quick $8M or so, but they will be right up against it next year. 

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/miami-dolphins/cap/2023/

 

 

I think the Tua situation will be easy to manager for them, unfortunately for us.  If I'm them, I let him play out his contract and even test FA.  I don't see another team throwing a lot of money at him.  Tua looks to be benefiting from the system and those around him, not a guy you can put on any team and make them better.  He will still get paid, but as of right now, I don't think he breaks top 10 money.  Therefor, I don't think the Dolphins are in any rush to sign him.

 

Fortunately for us, they won't have the money to pursue a Lamar if he becomes available.  

[NewEra]

5 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

True, next year Tua's cap hit is only about $10M but in 2024 (5th year option) hit will be closer to $24M.

It's not like he will coming in cheap.  Money wise, things are tightening up for them.

 

As for draft picks they have blown their wad, so going forward they're behind the curve.

2023:  2,3,3,6,7.

2024:  1,2,5,6,7.

They have a good team but will have to work hard to maintain it.

For sure.  The rams have been blowing their wad since the 2016 draft and won a super bowl in 2021 (2022).  It caught up to them prior to their SB season and then again this year, but they’ve been to 2 Super Bowls and won 1.  Like I’ve said (and we all know), there are several paths to building a champion.  The path the dolphins are taking has been travelled before and has Lombardis to show for it.  
 

They have an extremely talented roster.  Time will tell if the FO is capable of maintaining it….. or capable of winning a super bowl.  The team doesn’t even know if they 💯 have a stud franchise QB and they’re contenders (imo).  Not sure why anyone would frown on what they’ve done other than because they’re scared of them.   The team has been basically nonexistent for decades.  They aren’t anymore

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

5 minutes ago, Virgil said:

 

I think the Tua situation will be easy to manager for them, unfortunately for us.  If I'm them, I let him play out his contract and even test FA.  I don't see another team throwing a lot of money at him.  Tua looks to be benefiting from the system and those around him, not a guy you can put on any team and make them better.  He will still get paid, but as of right now, I don't think he breaks top 10 money.  Therefor, I don't think the Dolphins are in any rush to sign him.

 

Fortunately for us, they won't have the money to pursue a Lamar if he becomes available.  

The lost pick for tampering might haunt them…they still have a lot of question marks predominantly on the offensive line but they could use some coverage linebackers too.  This Bradley Chubb move will undoubtedly help them short term but I think they went all in a bit too early and it’s gonna hurt them in the long run.  

[NewEra]

6 minutes ago, Virgil said:

 

I think the Tua situation will be easy to manager for them, unfortunately for us.  If I'm them, I let him play out his contract and even test FA.  I don't see another team throwing a lot of money at him.  Tua looks to be benefiting from the system and those around him, not a guy you can put on any team and make them better.  He will still get paid, but as of right now, I don't think he breaks top 10 money.  Therefor, I don't think the Dolphins are in any rush to sign him.

 

Fortunately for us, they won't have the money to pursue a Lamar if he becomes available.  

He looked really good this past week, albeit vs a terrible lions D.  He seems to be improving.  Will he be able to stay healthy is my biggest questions surrounding whether or not they should pay him.  

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

4 minutes ago, NewEra said:

For sure.  The rams have been blowing their wad since the 2016 draft and won a super bowl in 2021 (2022).  It caught up to them prior to their SB season and then again this year, but they’ve been to 2 Super Bowls and won 1.  Like I’ve said (and we all know), there are several paths to building a champion.  The path the dolphins are taking has been travelled before and has Lombardis to show for it.  
 

They have an extremely talented roster.  Time will tell if the FO is capable of maintaining it….. or capable of winning a super bowl.  The team doesn’t even know if they 💯 have a stud franchise QB and they’re contenders (imo).  Not sure why anyone would frown on what they’ve done other than because they’re scared of them.   The team has been basically nonexistent for decades.  They aren’t anymore

The 2022 dolphins are not nearly as complete a team as last years rams.   They don’t have enough capital to fill in the offensive line and some other big holes now and I think tyreek will be on the downswing by the time they can put all the pieces together.  I don’t want to call their offense gimmicky per se but you pretty much know it’s going to be quick passes in the middle of the field with tua at qb and I don’t see them sneaking through a tough AFC playoff in the short term where good defenses will know exactly what’s coming 

 

if the defense didn’t take a big step back after the departure of Flores maybe it would be a different story 

Edited November 3, 2022 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[No_Matter_What]

I think they are really good on paper right now, and they won 12 out of last 13 games which Tua started and finished.

 

They are no doubt a contender right now, but there are still couple of question marks, mostly about Tua, their playoff inexperience and coaching. And I do think we are still slightly better team even if we remove Josh and Tua from the equation.

 

So to sum it up, I can fully imagine them ending up something like 12-5 or even 13-4, but it won't be enough to win the East and unless we are really unlucky that surely won't be enough when they meet JFA in Orchard park in December and especially in January.