Speaker Pelosi's Home Has Been Attacked

[Sundancer]

8 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

This is your third attempt at a do-over.  What’s that all about? Pick a lane for goodness sake. 
 

I’ll ask again…addressing all three of your evolving allegations..

#1.  What was the conspiracy you accused me of?  You haven’t said. 
#2.  What was the conspiracy I waltzed to, the one @B-man brought up, but not the one from #1 that you think I was promoting? 
#3.  What’s my predisposition and what story do you think I wanted?  You didn’t say.  If I read or heard something incorrectly as you now (newly) imply, how does that square with #1 and #2 and spreading either conspiracy? 

Elaborate please, on the conspiracy, or any of the claims you have made. 

 

 

Great question:   I feel when people throw out “straw man”, “whataboutism”, and “conspiracy”, it often means those people are insecure in their beliefs, lack the ability to deliver a cohesive message, and are often poor communicators.  I’m not at all surprised to you trot tall three out here.   

 

Four posts tapped the energy reserve?  You should hit the gym, son.

 

Are you not sure who you’re communicating with?  Maybe you’re upset at a whole ‘nother poster. Me, sometimes I mock. 
 

I mocked your (first) conspiracy theory because it was completely unnecessary. It was also ill-conceived, lacked any details and was pretty dopey.  I mocked the second conspiracy theory for the same reasons I mocked you first theory, plus you changed your story, and that was pretty weak and doubly-dopey.  You’ve gotten worse as time has gone on. 
 

Have a good night.  
 

 

 

You, “I didn’t post conspiracy stuff.”

 

Also you, “Attacker in underwear, they both had hammers, something fishy.” None of which is true. All of which is conspiracy driven drivel that you haven’t questioned but instead amplified. That’s you. I get it. Thought you might not be that guy but you are. 

 

 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

1 hour ago, Sundancer said:

 

You, “I didn’t post conspiracy stuff.”

 

Also you, “Attacker in underwear, they both had hammers, something fishy.” None of which is true. All of which is conspiracy driven drivel that you haven’t questioned but instead amplified. That’s you. I get it. Thought you might not be that guy but you are. 

 

 

Me:  The first time you post something honest will be the first time you’ve posted honestly. 
 

Also me:  You’re a strange person. 

[BillsFanNC]

10 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

I can see analyzing the footage, frame by frame and looking into gross negligence if the Secret Service was involved, but even then, releasing it publicly doesn’t make an awful lot of sense.  If there was a security breach, no need to provide a “how to”. 
 

If it’s a private matter, then it should be released only insofar as that is standard operating procedure for the department involved.  
 

In the Tucker Carlson thread, someone posted that TC argued it was important as a matter of significant public interest.  I sorta understand that, but I don’t really see the point here. 

 

In lieu of security footage we're left to believe the FBI. Between the media and the FBI I'm left to believe absolutely nothing.

 

 

[Chef Jim]

3 hours ago, Sundancer said:

 

You, “I didn’t post conspiracy stuff.”

 

Also you, “Attacker in underwear, they both had hammers, something fishy.” None of which is true. All of which is conspiracy driven drivel that you haven’t questioned but instead amplified. That’s you. I get it. Thought you might not be that guy but you are. 

 

 

You say “none of which is true”. There have been so many conflicting reports none of us, at this point, know what is true.  And commenting on what had been reported and then learning something different has had been reported does not constitute a “conspiracy theory”.  

[Doc]

13 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

So…my question here would be “Why?”. 
 

I’m not certain what the video/surveillance would serve.  Is there an assumption that Paul Pelosi committed a crime?  Or maybe that the family has made false statements to the police? 

 

To get some clarity on the situation.

[ChiGoose]

If anyone is looking for the sworn affidavit filed on this case, it's here: https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-release/file/1548106/download

 

Only 8 pages long, the facts section is pages 3-6, so pretty quick read.

 

Probably better than rampant speculation.

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

3 hours ago, Chef Jim said:

You say “none of which is true”. There have been so many conflicting reports none of us, at this point, know what is true.  And commenting on what had been reported and then learning something different has had been reported does not constitute a “conspiracy theory”.  

Of course not, but his point was never really about some as yet explained conspiracy theory.   He was being an @sshole, and to his credit, he’s pretty accomplished at it. 
 

 
 

 

 

 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

1 hour ago, ChiGoose said:

If anyone is looking for the sworn affidavit filed on this case, it's here: https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-release/file/1548106/download

 

Only 8 pages long, the facts section is pages 3-6, so pretty quick read.

 

Probably better than rampant speculation.

Yikes, this guy is off-the-charts crazy. It will be interesting to see how questions on his mental health are addressed moving forward.  

[Chef Jim]

49 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

Yikes, this guy is off-the-charts crazy. It will be interesting to see how questions on his mental health are addressed moving forward.  

I don't know.  He sounds relatively normal for the Bay Area. 

[Sundancer]

7 hours ago, Chef Jim said:

You say “none of which is true”. There have been so many conflicting reports none of us, at this point, know what is true.  And commenting on what had been reported and then learning something different has had been reported does not constitute a “conspiracy theory”.  

 

You don't believe the police, then? 

 

You're in for the underwear attacker story that has been retracted from the site that first "reported" it? 

 

If you're basing your judgment about what is true on the number of different reports, I've got bad news for you in the age of Twitter. 

8 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

Me:  The first time you post something honest will be the first time you’ve posted honestly. 
 

Also me:  You’re a strange person. 

 

Also you: Here's some conspiracy stuff and I won't admit I bought into it when we now know it's false. 

[The Frankish Reich]

18 hours ago, BillsFanNC said:

How exactly was it accomplished?  Because the fact that it even happened seems like gross incompetence, right?

Page 11, on which our resident neophyte learns that yes, sometimes the government can be grossly incompetent. See Hanlon’s Razor. 


 

[The Frankish Reich]

18 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Here is what seems to be the story…. a drug using, nudist, conspiracy (left right and center) deluded illegal immigrant wack job from Canada living in a makeshift commune in Berkeley adorned with BLM and pride flags assaulted Pelosi’s husband at home while she was in DC with her entire security detail. 

Next thing you’ll be telling me that Oswald acted alone. Or that JFK Jr hasn’t been in hiding for 20 years and is ready to emerge from the shadows as Trump’s 2024 running mate. 

[ChiGoose]

2 hours ago, Chef Jim said:

I don't know.  He sounds relatively normal for the Bay Area. 

 

He'd fit right in at PPP

[BillsFanNC]

6 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

Page 11, on which our resident neophyte learns that yes, sometimes the government can be grossly incompetent. See Hanlon’s Razor. 


 

 

C'mon man you can do better!

 

What's the latest Qanon stuff?  We need to know from our new expert now that your bogeyman is long gone.

 

 

[The Frankish Reich]

1 minute ago, ChiGoose said:

 

He'd fit right in at PPP

I lived in the Bay Area. Yes, nothing surprises me about what’s been reported about this kook. 

Just now, BillsFanNC said:

 

C'mon man you can do better!

 

What's the latest Qanon stuff?  We need to know from our new expert now that your bogeyman is long gone.

 

 

Ask the mods if they can restore the archived “Q Analysis” 600-page thread! I’ll wage that long-standing respected commenter BillsFanNC left some fawning comments for his guru!

[BillsFanNC]

2 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

I lived in the Bay Area. Yes, nothing surprises me about what’s been reported about this kook. 

Ask the mods if they can restore the archived “Q Analysis” 600-page thread! I’ll wage that long-standing respected commenter BillsFanNC left some fawning comments for his guru!

 

Weak sauce.  Imaginary posts you are certain must exist from a thread long ago...dare I say that sounds a bit Qanon-ish?

 

But thanks again for confirming how deeply embedded a former poster still is in your brain case.

 

Love it!

 

 

[The Frankish Reich]

2 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said:

 

Weak sauce.  Imaginary posts you are certain must exist from a thread long ago...dare I say that sounds a bit Qanon-ish?

 

But thanks again for confirming how deeply embedded a former poster still is in your brain case.

 

Love it!

 

 

Go ask him for his analysis. They tell me he’s on that other fan site. I’m sure you boys are still in touch. 

[Chef Jim]

24 minutes ago, Sundancer said:

You don't believe the police, then? 

 

Nope.  Not at this point yet.  Why do you think almost every police agency outfits their officers with body cams.   I'm a huge wait and see guy.

 

28 minutes ago, Sundancer said:

You're in for the underwear attacker story that has been retracted from the site that first "reported" it? 

 

What underwear story?  What site?  What report?  What retraction?

29 minutes ago, Sundancer said:

 

If you're basing your judgment about what is true on the number of different reports, I've got bad news for you in the age of Twitter. 

 

My judgement?  See last sentence of my first reply to you.  

[ChiGoose]

3 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

What underwear story?  What site?  What report?  What retraction?

 

There is a conspiracy theory that Paul Pelosi knew DePape and was involved in an affair with him

 

As to the facts, here is what we know at this time: Sworn Affidavit against DePape

 

While we should wait for more details, based on the location of the house, my guess is that he was able to break in from the street as security would be pretty light with the Speaker out of town. Unfortunately, we're not likely to get specifics on how many members of Pelosi's detail are present at the house while she's away since that would compromise security (ironically). 

[BillsFanNC]

10 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

Go ask him for his analysis. They tell me he’s on that other fan site. I’m sure you boys are still in touch. 

 

What's your name over there?  Don't ask us to believe that you have denied yourself access to your obsession.

 

You need DR.  He completes you.

 

[ChiGoose]

4 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said:

 

What's your name over there?  Don't ask us to believe that you have denied yourself access to your obsession.

 

You need DR.  He completes you.

 

 

I've been wondering where he went since I came back. 

 

Here I was just assuming he had been arrested for breaking into Nancy Pelosi's house...

[Chef Jim]

21 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:

 

There is a conspiracy theory that Paul Pelosi knew DePape and was involved in an affair with him

 

As to the facts, here is what we know at this time: Sworn Affidavit against DePape

 

While we should wait for more details, based on the location of the house, my guess is that he was able to break in from the street as security would be pretty light with the Speaker out of town. Unfortunately, we're not likely to get specifics on how many members of Pelosi's detail are present at the house while she's away since that would compromise security (ironically). 

 

Why do you refer to it as a Conspiracy?  

[Albwan]

was the attacker mega or ultra maga I wonder

[ChiGoose]

16 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

Why do you refer to it as a Conspiracy?  

 

Because there is no evidence of it.

 

According to the affidavit, Pelosi denied knowing DePape

• "13. Pelosi was interviewed by SFPD Officer Ariane Starks in the ambulance during transport to San Francisco General Hospital. Pelosi stated he had never seen DEPAPE before." (page 4)

Also, DePape stated that he broke into the house with the intent to harm Nancy Pelosi:

• 15,a "DEPAPE stated that he was going to hold Nancy hostage and talk to her. If Nancy were to tell DEPAPE the “truth,” he would let her go, and if she “lied,” he was going to break “her kneecaps.” DEPAPE was certain that Nancy would not have told the “truth.” In the course of the interview, DEPAPE articulated he viewed Nancy as the “leader of the pack” of lies told by the Democratic Party. DEPAPE also later explained that by breaking Nancy’s kneecaps, she would then have to be wheeled into Congress, which would show other Members of Congress there were consequences to actions." (page 5)

I think it's good practice to reserve judgment on breaking news stories until we have some good facts. And then as the facts come out, we should always re-examine our priors.

 

In this instance, we have a sworn statement from an FBI agent disclosing information from the investigation that includes:

• Pelosi stating he did not know DePape
• DePape saying he broke into the house that night to harm Nancy Pelosi

At this point, that should be enough to discredit any claims that it was actually a gay lovers' quarrel. If facts change, we can always re-examine this, but of the two options:

1. DePape is a stranger to the Pelosi's broke into the house to harm the Speaker
2. DePape was actually a secret lover of Paul Pelosi's and they got into a fight

anyone still promoting 2 as a likely option is just disclosing that they will reject reality if it is inconvenient to them. Also, I want to be clear that I am not accusing you of this. Just trying to explain why I believe the gay lover claim is a conspiracy theory.

 

Edited November 1, 2022 by ChiGoose

[Chef Jim]

1 minute ago, ChiGoose said:

 

Because there is no evidence of it.

 

According to the affidavit, Pelosi denied knowing DePape

• "13. Pelosi was interviewed by SFPD Officer Ariane Starks in the ambulance during transport to San Francisco General Hospital. Pelosi stated he had never seen DEPAPE before." (page 4)

Also, DePape stated that he broke into the house with the intent to harm Nancy Pelosi:

• 15,a "DEPAPE stated that he was going to hold Nancy hostage and talk to her. If Nancy were to tell DEPAPE the “truth,” he would let her go, and if she “lied,” he was going to break “her kneecaps.” DEPAPE was certain that Nancy would not have told the “truth.” In the course of the interview, DEPAPE articulated he viewed Nancy as the “leader of the pack” of lies told by the Democratic Party. DEPAPE also later explained that by breaking Nancy’s kneecaps, she would then have to be wheeled into Congress, which would show other Members of Congress there were consequences to actions." (page 5)

I think it's good practice to reserve judgment on breaking news stories until we have some good facts. And then as the facts come out, we should always re-examine our priors.

 

In this instance, we have a sworn statement from an FBI agent disclosing information from the investigation that includes:

• Pelosi stating he did not know DePape
• DePape saying he broke into the house that night to harm Nancy Pelosi

At this point, that should be enough to discredit any claims that it was actually a gay lovers' quarrel. If facts, change, we can always re-examine this, but of the two options:

1. DePape is a stranger to the Pelosi's broke into the house to harm the Speaker
2. DePape was actually a secret lover of Paul Pelosi's and they got into a fight

anyone still promoting 2 as a likely option is just disclosing that they will reject reality if it is inconvenient to them. Also, I want to be clear that I am not accusing you of this. Just trying to explain why I believe the gay lover claim is a conspiracy theory.

 

 

I guess maybe you don't know what the word conspiracy means.  

[The Frankish Reich]

22 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

I guess maybe you don't know what the word conspiracy means.  

This gay lover gone bad thing doesn’t even deserve the name “conspiracy theory.” There’s simply no facts to support it. None. And if it really was a weird gay lover spat, would they be charging the guy with attempted murder? And giving him the chance to put on a defense? If he hangs himself in jail, well, I guess you then have a starting point. Right now it’s just somebody saying “sometimes these kind of late night assaults come from disputes between a gay hooker and his client.” But some people can never accept that sometimes life is random and that not everything is part of a big conspiracy. 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

47 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

This gay lover gone bad thing doesn’t even deserve the name “conspiracy theory.” There’s simply no facts to support it. None. And if it really was a weird gay lover spat, would they be charging the guy with attempted murder? And giving him the chance to put on a defense? If he hangs himself in jail, well, I guess you then have a starting point. Right now it’s just somebody saying “sometimes these kind of late night assaults come from disputes between a gay hooker and his client.” But some people can never accept that sometimes life is random and that not everything is part of a big conspiracy. 

I think Pelosi was attacked in his home by a guy who is nutty.  I can’t explain security or lack thereof, why he didn’t hear the door being broken in, or anything else.  It doesn’t matter to me one way or the other. 
 

However, if it was a spat as you imagined above, I would certainly hope that teh police would charge the guy with attempted murder and every other thing possible under the law.  Why?  The hammer, the head.

 

Btw, I think, generally, the average citizen would benefit tremendously from the kind of deference shown to the Pelosi family when it comes to the criminal affidavit shared earlier.  
 

 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

2 hours ago, Sundancer said:

 

You don't believe the police, then? 

 

You're in for the underwear attacker story that has been retracted from the site that first "reported" it? 

 

If you're basing your judgment about what is true on the number of different reports, I've got bad news for you in the age of Twitter. 

 

Also you: Here's some conspiracy stuff and I won't admit I bought into it when we now know it's false. 

 

Have a drink, take it easy, and reflect a bit on who you want to be in the world.   It certainly can be this, but you can do better than this absurd  douchebagery you’re running with. 
 

I’m sending prayers your way from the high road that you’re not certain I claimed I may or may not be on, sometimes. 

::insert praying hands here::

[Wacka]

Saw great video today where tsomeone had Columbo saying "One more thing..." and then them saying stuff like "If the guy had a hammer and was in his underwear, where did he hide it?"

[Sundancer]

10 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

 

Have a drink, take it easy, and reflect a bit on who you want to be in the world.   It certainly can be this, but you can do better than this absurd  douchebagery you’re running with. 
 

I’m sending prayers your way from the high road that you’re not certain I claimed I may or may not be on, sometimes. 

::insert praying hands here::

 

Yeah, your high horse condescension move is a “high road.” 

 

I see you’re back peddling from biting on the conspiracy. You won’t admit you look terrible for doing so but it’s a start. 

[Sundancer]

 

 

12 hours ago, Chef Jim said:

 

What underwear story?  What site?  What report?  What retraction?

 

The story that B-man, Doc and others bought into here.

 

https://www.ktvu.com/news/alleged-pelosi-intruder-has-manifesto-of-conspiracy-theories-sources

 

Whups. 

 

 

12 hours ago, Chef Jim said:

 

My judgement?  See last sentence of my first reply to you.  

 

This thread is filled with conspiracy conjecture after a nut job attacked an 82 year old man with a hammer. No unity of condemnation or compassion. 

 

There’s something very, very wrong with the posters in here. 

[Tiberius]

 

[BillsFanNC]

But of course!  

 

 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

1 hour ago, Sundancer said:

 

Yeah, your high horse condescension move is a “high road.” 

 

I see you’re back peddling from biting on the conspiracy. You won’t admit you look terrible for doing so but it’s a start. 

“One man’s high horse is another man’s Pygmy goat.”

-Ancient Proverb

 

 

 

 

 

[Tiberius]

2 hours ago, Sundancer said:

 

Yeah, your high horse condescension move is a “high road.” 

 

I see you’re back peddling from biting on the conspiracy. You won’t admit you look terrible for doing so but it’s a start. 

He's showing white flag! 🤣

[BillStime]

The cult will lie about everting to distant themselves from the cause and effect of their rhetoric.

 

MAGA = trash

[SoCal Deek]

39 minutes ago, BillStime said:

The cult will lie about everting to distant themselves from the cause and effect of their rhetoric.

 

MAGA = trash

How is this any different than every other news story? The initial reports are rarely anywhere close to the actual facts. It doesn’t make anyone evil or a member of a cult (as you like to say). It’s just the normal evolution of the facts. 

[Doc]

5 hours ago, Sundancer said:

The story that B-man, Doc and others bought into here.

 

https://www.ktvu.com/news/alleged-pelosi-intruder-has-manifesto-of-conspiracy-theories-sources

 

Whups. 

 

So he wasn't in his underwear.  Go blame the sad state of "reporting" these days.

 

3 hours ago, BillsFanNC said:

But of course!  

 

 

So do they have footage or don't they?  I want to see it and the LEO's body cams.

[BillsFanNC]

Just now, Doc said:

 

So he wasn't in his underwear.  Go blame the sad state of "reporting" these days.

 

 

So do they have footage or don't they?  I want to see it and the LEO's body cams.

 

The article says they have the footage, but the people responsible for watching it missed the break in and had to rewind the tape when they noticed the police flashers at the home.

 

Therefore one is left to wonder about the timeline. How much critical time was missed between this nutjob breaking in and the 911 call?

 

 

[Sundancer]

46 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

So he wasn't in his underwear.  Go blame the sad state of "reporting" these days.

 

 

 

You bought into a stupid rumor and spread it gleefully. 

 

Check yourself. But especially check yourself when we're talking about violence at a Congressperson's home.

 

 

Edited November 2, 2022 by Sundancer