Christian McCaffrey traded to the 49ers for multiple 2nd day draft picks

[ArtVandalay]

11 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Weapons.  Necessary options.  How about protection?  The Bears defense wrecked the niners OL opening day. Made them look like a college team.  That’s right…..the bears defense.  Trey looked terrible playing behind that line.  Dude had no time and no clue.  Their 2nd and 3rd best OL, Brunskill and McGlinchey are impending free agents.    Of all the QBs in the league, Lance is the one guy that can’t afford a bad OL.  The kid is like a deer in headlights and need protection.  

The game was in a monsoon. You can't draw any conclusions from that 1 game. Jimmy G is not mobile he's been sacked 7 times in 5 games. This doesn't preclude them from making any OLine improvements.

[TheFunPolice]

in absentia, having a superstar RB is a huge advantage

 

However, that comes with big $, and a long term deal the guy will never live up to because most are a flash in the pan for a few years then fade into obscurity. 

 

Does King Henry still play in the league? Last year he was an MVP candidate and looked like a cheat code. 

[HappyDays]

Just now, ArtVandalay said:

was canceled in 20 after 1 game and he continued to practice. Last year, he wasn't in games but he practiced wtf the team consistently through the week. He's injured this year after 1 game. 

 

I'm not talking about practice. I'm talking about live game reps. 3 years is a really long time to go without any consistent live game reps. It's hard to see a path for him becoming a successful QB. Not that I'm advocating they should move on from him, but they need to be realistic about his chances and make decisions accordingly.

 

2 minutes ago, ArtVandalay said:

What do you think happens to that team if he doesn't pan out? They suck anyway.

 

If he doesn't pan out they need draft picks and young players at premium positions. Not a RB with an injury history.

 

They didn't make this trade because of Trey Lance anyways. They made it because they think they can win a Super Bowl this year. Personally I think they are overrating their own chances. The NFC is weak but they still need to actually beat whatever AFC team makes it there if they get that far.

[NewEra]

2 minutes ago, ArtVandalay said:

The game was in a monsoon. You can't draw any conclusions from that 1 game. Jimmy G is not mobile he's been sacked 7 times in 5 games. This doesn't preclude them from making any OLine improvements.

That game was in a monsoon—-and the OL got destroyed.  I didn’t know that OLmen were at a disadvantage when playing in a monsoon-  

 

Their OL has been 🤮 this year and their 2nd and 3rd best OLmen are free agents next year.  
 

Low sacks given up doesn’t prove an OL is good.   Nor does it extrapolate how good their OL will be next year if they lose two of their best starters.  I’ve watched 5 

of their games this year (and most of them the last 12 years).  Their OL hasn’t been good.  You can talk about jimmys sacks all you want.  I know what I see

[BADOLBILZ]

1 minute ago, HappyDays said:

 

I'm not talking about practice. I'm talking about live game reps. 3 years is a really long time to go without any consistent live game reps. It's hard to see a path for him becoming a successful QB. Not that I'm advocating they should move on from him, but they need to be realistic about his chances and make decisions accordingly.

 

 

If he doesn't pan out they need draft picks and young players at premium positions. Not a RB with an injury history.

 

They didn't make this trade because of Trey Lance anyways. They made it because they think they can win a Super Bowl this year. Personally I think they are overrating their own chances. The NFC is weak but they still need to actually beat whatever AFC team makes it there if they get that far.

 

 

You said the key part..........the NFC is weak.

 

Last season the Niners came back from the dead at mid-season to be in an NFC championship game against a team they had beaten 6 times in a row.

 

You had to like those odds.

 

They were a dropped easy interception late in that game from playing an inferior Bengals team that their organization had already beaten in two prior Super Bowls.    

 

So there's that.

 

[NewEra]

16 minutes ago, ArtVandalay said:

He hasn't been out of football for 3 years. His season was canceled in 20 after 1 game and he continued to practice. Last year, he wasn't in games but he practiced wtf the team consistently through the week. He's injured this year after 1 game. 

 

What do you think happens to that team if he doesn't pan out? They suck anyway.  You field the best roster around him as you can.  If he sucks you suck anyway. 

You’re comparing Lance practicing with the team to playing football.  They aren’t even close to the same thing.  And last year, he was practicing as a backup QB-  very few reps.  The dude has probably played less football than any starting qb in league history.  But he’s practiced…..

[FireChans]

44 minutes ago, NewEra said:

They’re going to restructure him. There is no doubt.  And with that restructure, they’re going to pay a RB more than most teams prefer to pay RBs.  
 

meanwhile- 16M in cap room goes a long way when you have to replace - starters in bold and italics rotational players that get snaps.  

 

QB Jimmy Garoppolo

EDGE Samson Ebukam

CB Emmanuel Moseley

RT Mike McGlinchey

LB Azeez Al-Shaair

K Robbie Gould

OL Daniel Brunskill

QB Nate Sudfeld

DT Hassan Ridgeway

EDGE Kemoko Turay

DE Kerry Hyder Jr.

DB Dontae Johnson

TE Tyler Kroft

EDGE Jordan Willis

WR Malik Turner

DL Maurice Hurst

RB Jeff Wilson Jr.

LS Taybor Pepper

TE Ross Dwelley

WR Marcus Johnson

OL Jake Brendel

TE Jordan Matthews

CB Jason Verrett

TE Troy Fumagalli

CB Ka’dar Hollman

DB Tarvarius Moore

P Mitch Wishnowsky

LB Dre Greenlaw

DE Charles Omenihu

OL Justin Skule

S Jimmie Ward

 

I suppose the only thing you’re having a problem with here is the use of the word massive.  Replace it with “a substantial cap hit, especially when considering the position”

 

Spending 7-10M a year on a RB just doesn’t make sense to me.  Especially for a team that just used a handful of picks on RBs the last 2 years.  My best friend is a die hard niner fan and he’s not happy about the trade-  he agrees that it’s desperate.  It makes them better this year for sure-  but going forward, they will miss the picks and lose FA’s because of it.  Improving the Rb position but getting worse in other positions.
 

 
 

Tell him on the plus side, it's less picks for Shanny to spend on runningbacks who suck.

[HappyDays]

1 minute ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

You said the key part..........the NFC is weak.

 

Last season the Niners came back from the dead at mid-season to be in an NFC championship game against a team they had beaten 6 times in a row.

 

You had to like those odds.

 

They were a dropped easy interception late in that game from playing an inferior Bengals team that their organization had already beaten in two prior Super Bowls.    

 

So there's that.

 

 

According to DVOA they have an 8.2% chance of reaching the Super Bowl, and a 3.4% chance of winning it. That's slightly better than their 3.1% chance of ending up with a top 5 pick in the draft (which would be gifted to the Miami Dolphins).

 

Not sure I like "those odds." McCaffrey might change each of those percentages by 0.2?

[NewEra]

Just now, FireChans said:

Tell him on the plus side, it's less picks for Shanny to spend on runningbacks who suck.

You ain’t lying.  And the lowest pick of the 3 turned out to be the best by far 

[daz28]

Would have been a pure rental no question, and that was too much to pay for that, especially considering our situation moving forward.  We're right at the projected cap for next year with only 37 players, with some important guys needing contracts still.  We're going to have to kick the can down the road with restructures just to field a team next year, because there's really no cuts that can be made that save any cap space.  I just hope it doesn't get super ugly in the future.  Let's hope Beane has some super wizard plan. 

Edited October 21, 2022 by daz28

[Warcodered]

41 minutes ago, Draconator said:

 

Well he's got like a day of practice before they Chiefs game.

[BeavercreekBillsFan]

30 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

According to DVOA they have an 8.2% chance of reaching the Super Bowl, and a 3.4% chance of winning it. That's slightly better than their 3.1% chance of ending up with a top 5 pick in the draft (which would be gifted to the Miami Dolphins).

 

Not sure I like "those odds." McCaffrey might change each of those percentages by 0.2?

Or you can look at Vegas where they have the 5th best odds to make the Super Bowl and 3rd best if you take the AFC teams out (us and the chiefs). Only eagles and Bucs (for some reason) have better odds. Not sure what DVOA is factoring in but it’s certainly not looking at the dumpster fire that is the NFC. I’ll rattle it off again, they’re getting healthy again (Bosa and Trent Williams back) plus they’re adding CMC to a team with the best D in the league and a great coach. They’ll play one tough game in the playoffs against the eagles and you’re kidding yourself if you don’t trust them to beat Hurts. Or maybe you didn’t see Hurts playoff performance last year. They’re my solid lock to play for the SB so I watch them closely since I’m hoping we make it too
 

As for the compensation, did they really give up that much? They got extra comp picks from their coaches getting hired away so they’re just using those. The point value of everything they gave up only amounts to a late 1st anyways. It’s an all in move for a team with a clear path to the SB in a crappy conference. It was a great move. Shanahan has so many weapons and so many YAC guys to use. 
 

 

[HappyDays]

 

[BillsFanForever19]

3 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

 

That's a really good offer from Beane's standpoint. McCaffrey was never going to be on this team beyond this season. Even if he agreed to rip up his deal, there's no way CMC would have agreed to a new contract that would fall in line with what we'd have been willing to pay a RB especially given his wear and tear, reliability, and the amount of key players coming up who would take priority while other contract numbers go up.

 

Surprised to see he'd go as high as a 2nd for a one year rental. Shows he really tried.

[YoloinOhio]

9 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Sounds appropriate

[Solomon Grundy]

27 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Okay, we missed out on CMC. Now go gauge the chances of getting this guy 

 

 

[Bills2022]

Great signing by the Niners. They are a very scary team if they are healthy. If not for the huge edge we have at QB, a healthy Niners probably would pose the biggest threat to the Bills in the entire NFC.  Jimmy G is very capable of winning a Super Bowl against another decent QB, but it is impossible to see a slightly above average QB beating the Bills. 

[NewEra]

3 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

Okay, we missed out on CMC. Now go gauge the chances of getting this guy 

 

 

He’s looking like a special back this season. Dunno if I’d want to sign him long term though.  He may want 10M-ish if he keeps up his current play.  I don’t think paying a RB that kinda money would jive with Beanes plan—-  but if he offered a 2nd for Mccaffery, maybe it is.  
 

I’d trade a 4th for him as a one year rental if we couldn’t get a team friendly deal long term.  He’s a clear upgrade over motor based on how he’s running this season.  
 

I wouldn’t part with much more than that though. We can win a SB with Motor 

[AlCowlingsTaxiService]

Nice … now please draft well Carolina. Half those picks are future Bills 😂

[daz28]

52 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

That's a really good offer from Beane's standpoint. McCaffrey was never going to be on this team beyond this season. Even if he agreed to rip up his deal, there's no way CMC would have agreed to a new contract that would fall in line with what we'd have been willing to pay a RB especially given his wear and tear, reliability, and the amount of key players coming up who would take priority while other contract numbers go up.

 

Surprised to see he'd go as high as a 2nd for a one year rental. Shows he really tried.

Any idea what the cap implications would be for us if we traded him in the off-season?  If there were none, then I'm sure we could recoup something draft wise.  That's the only possibility that I could have seen this working out.