Miami home field sun advantage and why this is wrong on so many levels

[NewEra]

1 minute ago, What a Tuel said:

 

It wasn't brought up because we didnt see this effect on players during the game in the past 4 years. The real feel temperature was in the 100's.

 

2018: 12/02 85 degrees

2019: 11/17 64 degrees

2020: 9/20 77 degrees

2021: 9/19 81 degrees

2022: 9/26 89 degrees

It has been brought up before.  I’ve talked about it with my Miami fan buddies several times.  They know it’s unfair and unsafe.  They think the September games should be played @ 4pm but love that they aren’t because it’s a HUGE advantage to them.  
 

there’s a big difference between 85, 74, 77, 81 and 89——- No?  
 

Not sure what your point is?  That there are people writing on a message board about this because we lost?  Did you watch the game.  It was an obvious issue and was discussed by the analysts…..they’re talking about it on every tv show right now….. but we’re being babies.  Wake up

[uticaclub]

We lost to a better team due to coaching decisions, dont blame the weather

[Big Turk]

7 minutes ago, What a Tuel said:

 

It wasn't brought up because we didnt see this effect on players during the game in the past 4 years. The real feel temperature was in the 100's.

 

2018: 12/02 85 degrees

2019: 11/17 64 degrees

2020: 9/20 77 degrees

2021: 9/19 81 degrees

2022: 9/26 89 degrees

 

And Eric Wood said the actual temperature on the field was 112

[FireChans]

4 minutes ago, What a Tuel said:

 

Wrong.

 

https://www.wunderground.com/history/daily/us/fl/miami/KMIA/date/2020-9-20

https://www.wunderground.com/history/daily/us/fl/miami/KMIA/date/2021-9-19

 

 

Yeah PFR is wrong. Ooooookaaaaaaaay

[Augie]

2 hours ago, May Day 10 said:

I don't want to make excuses.  It's one game and the bills blew a lot of chances...

 

Yesterday was a serious health risk.  People can die (and have died) from exerting themselves in conditions like that.  

 

Unfortunately, they put Tua back in with an obvious concussion. To tell me it was his back is silly and insulting. The Dolphins do not care one little bit about player safety, even their own players. 

[Big Turk]

Just now, uticaclub said:

We lost to a better team due to coaching decisions, dont blame the weather

 

LMAO...that's pretty funny.  The were better on the scoreboard but in no way were they the better team.  They punted 5 times including going 3 and out 3 times in the 2nd half against a team missing their entire starting secondary, losing another CB early in the 2nd quarter and having to play a rookie PS CB call up and missing 2 DT's.  Do you know wat would have happened if the Bills offense faced a similar scenario?  They might have put up 80.

[NewEra]

Just now, Boyst62 said:

If we would have got that pass to McKenzie, or a game winning field goal this thread has 3 pages and two of them about Edmunds. 

Right….but there would still be a thread because the players safety, more so the Bills players safety was at risk due to stadium design.  
 

people acting like this is not a talking point are crazy-  there’s an easy fix-  schedule the home Miami games @ 4pm on sunday or in prime time.  It’s not rocket science.  Player safety matters.  Players could have died. 
 

Allen didn’t connect with McKenzie due to exhaustion.  

[Shaw66]

26 minutes ago, PetermansRedemption said:

If Miami wants to continue with this stadium design then the sides of the field

should be decided by a pregame coin flip. See how fast they change it then. 

Thats true but there's a bigger point.  These guys are warriors, on both sides, and they will not stop.  Diggs kept coming off and going g back on.  

 

It's dangerous for humans to do that.  I'm sure that many pf these guys, probably Dolphins too, wo t be well tomorrow.   It was really bad out there.

[NewEra]

3 minutes ago, uticaclub said:

We lost to a better team due to coaching decisions, dont blame the weather

Coaches decisions missed a chip shot FG?  Interesting.

[Milanos Milano]

2 minutes ago, uticaclub said:

We lost to a better team due to coaching decisions, dont blame the weather

I don’t believe this at all. We were clearly the better team. We lost because we beat ourselves and our lack of a professional Oline. 

[Mr. WEO]

3 hours ago, oldschoolfootball1963 said:

The NFL or players association needs to step in and do something about this. We could have had several players die or be so heat effected that it could effect those players for several games. This is a safety issue. When the dolphins play in buffalo they have the same heaters and cold weather gear and it’s on equal footing. In Miami one team gets to be in the shade the entire game while the other side bakes in the sun. I’ve never been to Hard Rock stadium. But it appears there is some sort of screen or something that keeps their side shady. This is a very unfair advantage that effects the players heath. It would be like the dolphins having to play in leather helmets Vs the Bill's with todays helmet technology. I’m not pissed that we lost. I’m mad about how the sun effected the Bills players more because one team gets the shade while the other team bakes. This needs to stop to protect player safety. 

 

 

The NFL has been playing games in this stadium...for 35 years.  Now it needs to be looked into?  

 

 

Here's an article from 2020, when the Bills played in Miami on 9/20 (1pm game):

 

 

"Location: Hard Rock Stadium — Miami Gardens, Florida

High temperature: 90 degrees

Feels like: 102 degrees

Percent rain: 50%

Humidity: 65%

Wind: 10 mph

With all that South Florida heat, it sure feels like a great day for the Buffalo Bills to be wearing colors and for the Dolphins to be in all-white — which is exactly how Miami chose to tackle their uniform situation as the home team. Between the design of Hard Rock Stadium to keep the opposing team in the sun through most of the game and Miami’s experience working in the humidity versus the much more mild temperatures in Buffalo, there is a significant home field advantage to be had here for Miami. The high temperature this past week in Buffalo? 72 degrees. It only exceeded 70 on two days this past week.

So now it falls onto the Dolphins to keep this game close, let the humidity do its work and late in the game, Miami’s experience and conditioning in the heat can serve as a potential deciding factor. Miami will have to execute, but the avenue for success is there."

 

Bills won 31-28

 

Same articles were written for the September game last year--all mentioning the "advantage" to the Dolphins.   Bills won 35-0....

 

Obviously it's tough weather to play in, but decades of experience by the Bills staff of playing down there (and the past two years!) should have had them with this team a lot better prepared with hydration routines beginning 2 days before the game.

 

Everyone knows about the issues at "Joe Robbie" stadium for 35 years, yet suddenly  it needs looking into.   This is like all the posters who went nuts, after one very windy game last year (and over 50 years of NFL football in windy Buffalo), screaming for a dome as this team cannot play in the wind.

 

The training staff knew the Bills would be in the sun as they are every time they play there.  Something seems different in their preparation this year.

 

[Shaw66]

4 minutes ago, uticaclub said:

We lost to a better team due to coaching decisions, dont blame the weather

Well, that is actually true.  In those conditions, they were the better team. Just like the Patriots were the better team in Buffalo last year.  

 

But that isn't the point.  It wasn't dangerous to the players last year.  

[jaybee]

It was hot in Tampa yesterday.  I didn't notice this level of cramping in the GB roster.  This thread is sour grapes.  You have a multi-million organization, professional athletes, a medical staff and maybe they just didn't prepare the roster knowing the obvious......... weather conditions.  What if the Bills had pulled it out ?  What would we be saying then ?  This team is superb no matter the weather ?  Probably.  They got beat.  It happens.  They're 2-1 and in a week or two this will all be forgotten.  

[Mr. WEO]

4 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

LMAO...that's pretty funny.  The were better on the scoreboard but in no way were they the better team.  They punted 5 times including going 3 and out 3 times in the 2nd half against a team missing their entire starting secondary, losing another CB early in the 2nd quarter and having to play a rookie PS CB call up and missing 2 DT's.  Do you know wat would have happened if the Bills offense faced a similar scenario?  They might have put up 80.

 

 

They were facing the 31st ranked Defense....

[Shaw66]

4 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

Unfortunately, they put Tua back in with an obvious concussion. To tell me it was his back is silly and insulting. The Dolphins do not care one little bit about player safety, even their own players. 

An interesting commentary on the Dolphins. They don't seem to care, do they.  

[What a Tuel]

4 minutes ago, NewEra said:

It has been brought up before.  I’ve talked about it with my Miami fan buddies several times.  They know it’s unfair and unsafe.  They think the September games should be played @ 4pm but love that they aren’t because it’s a HUGE advantage to them.  
 

there’s a big difference between 85, 74, 77, 81 and 89——- No?  
 

Not sure what your point is?  That there are people writing on a message board about this because we lost?  Did you watch the game.  It was an obvious issue and was discussed by the analysts…..they’re talking about it on every tv show right now….. but we’re being babies.  Wake up

 

Did you quote the wrong person? I am not disagreeing with your points. Huge differences in temperatures. I was responding to someone asking why we weren't complaining prior years and that was bc we 1) didnt see this horrible effect on players we saw yesterday and 2) it was much cooler.

 

5 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Yeah PFR is wrong. Ooooookaaaaaaaay

 

You are arguing that it was just as hot which I proved wasnt the case. But ok. Either way I hope to never see that effect on players again any time soon and hope that the NFL will establish a heat advisory for player safety.

[Milanos Milano]

1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

The NFL has been playing games in this stadium...for 35 years.  Now it needs to be looked into?  

 

 

Here's an article from 2020, when the Bills played in Miami on 9/20 (1pm game):

 

 

"Location: Hard Rock Stadium — Miami Gardens, Florida

High temperature: 90 degrees

Feels like: 102 degrees

Percent rain: 50%

Humidity: 65%

Wind: 10 mph

With all that South Florida heat, it sure feels like a great day for the Buffalo Bills to be wearing colors and for the Dolphins to be in all-white — which is exactly how Miami chose to tackle their uniform situation as the home team. Between the design of Hard Rock Stadium to keep the opposing team in the sun through most of the game and Miami’s experience working in the humidity versus the much more mild temperatures in Buffalo, there is a significant home field advantage to be had here for Miami. The high temperature this past week in Buffalo? 72 degrees. It only exceeded 70 on two days this past week.

So now it falls onto the Dolphins to keep this game close, let the humidity do its work and late in the game, Miami’s experience and conditioning in the heat can serve as a potential deciding factor. Miami will have to execute, but the avenue for success is there."

 

Bills won 31-28

 

Same articles were written for the September game last year--all mentioning the "advantage" to the Dolphins.   Bills won 35-0....

 

Obviously it's tough weather to play in, but decades of experience by the Bills staff of playing down there (and the past two years!) should have had them with this team a lot better prepared with hydration routines beginning 2 days before the game.

 

Everyone knows about the issues at "Joe Robbie" stadium for 35 years, yet suddenly  it needs looking into.   This is like all the posters who went nuts, after one very windy game last year (and over 50 years of NFL football in windy Buffalo), screaming for a dome as this team cannot play in the wind.

 

The training staff knew the Bills would be in the sun as they are every time they play there.  Something seems different in their preparation this year.

 

Yep, no excuses. We lost because we are losers who beat ourselves in the worst way possible. It’s been happening for years. It’s why we will never get home field advantage until we stop doing that. Part of that reason is because we haven’t had a dominant Oline in years. Can’t establish a run game because of it and we become 1D. We have been great at times because Allen transcends it, he couldn’t this time because injuries caught up to us. We will lose these kinds of games u til Beane finally gets his head out of his rear. 

[Mr. WEO]

Just now, Shaw66 said:

An interesting commentary on the Dolphins. They don't seem to care, do they.  

 

The player was cleared by the independent neurologist on site.  What do the Dolphins have to do with that decision?

[FireChans]

2 minutes ago, What a Tuel said:

 

Did you quote the wrong person? I am not disagreeing with your points. Huge differences in temperatures. I was responding to someone asking why we weren't complaining prior years and that was bc we 1) didnt see this horrible effect on players we saw yesterday and 2) it was much cooler.

 

 

You are arguing that it was just as hot which I proved wasnt the case. But ok. Either way I hope to never see that effect on players again any time soon and hope that the NFL will establish a heat advisory for player safety.

Lmao I had links too.

 

Imagine crying about player safety because we are now 9-2 against this team in our last 11. 

 

If I was a Dolphins fan, I would link this topic to their message board and die laughing at the histrionics.

[Milanos Milano]

2 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

The player was cleared by the independent neurologist on site.  What do the Dolphins have to do with that decision?

It’s just more BS excuses. Nobody here has the balls to just say we aren’t good enough yet. Nobody wants to ask why we lack mental fortitude in close games or why we continuously give up huge 3rd and long plays or choke in key moments. 

[Big Turk]

5 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

They were facing the 31st ranked Defense....

 

And they rolled up almost 500 yards...playing much of the 4th quarter with WR sets of Reggie Gilliam, Quentin Morris and James Cook lined up as their WR options on plays.

[Mr. WEO]

Just now, Big Turk said:

 

And they rolled up almost 500 yards...playing much of the 4th quarter with WR sets of Reggie Gilliam, Quentin Morris and James Cook lined up as their WR options on plays.

 

They should have scored 35 points it seems

[Milanos Milano]

1 minute ago, Big Turk said:

 

And they rolled up almost 500 yards...playing much of the 4th quarter with WR sets of Reggie Gilliam, Quentin Morris and James Cook lined up as their WR options on plays.

It’s an inexcusable way to lose. We do this bs all the time. We lose when we have no business losing. In key critical spots we crap the bed. Why? 

[What a Tuel]

3 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Lmao I had links too.

 

Imagine crying about player safety because we are now 9-2 against this team in our last 11. 

 

If I was a Dolphins fan, I would link this topic to their message board and die laughing at the histrionics.

 

Your links were to game summaries, not weather reports.

 

You keep seeing what you want to see instead of what I am writing. I don't care about the loss. I am already over it. We will obliterate their trash team in december like we dismantled the patriots last year. 

 

I simply don't want to see what I saw yesterday.

Edited September 26, 2022 by What a Tuel

[HereComesTheReignAgain]

13 minutes ago, uticaclub said:

We lost to a better team due to coaching decisions, dont blame the weather

If you honestly think that miami is the better team, please accept a $100 straight up bet for the next game.  Hell, I'll even give you the three points for Bills home field advantage.  We can have a trusted poster hold onto the $ until the game.  A win is a win, but there is no way the dolphins are a better team that the Bills.  Especially without some crazy luck and sleazy field design.

[Milanos Milano]

2 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

They should have scored 35 points it seems

We don’t have a professional Oline, we haven’t dedicated any draft capital to it in years, and when we do, we draft players like Ford. We are so lucky to have a mobile QB like Allen. He doesn’t deserve us. 

[Big Turk]

1 minute ago, IronMaidenBills said:

It’s an inexcusable way to lose. We do this bs all the time. We lose when we have no business losing. In key critical spots we crap the bed. Why? 

 

I mean yeah they should have probably still won, but to even be in position, and not only in position, but realistically dominate the game was astounding.

[FireChans]

3 minutes ago, What a Tuel said:

 

Your links were to game summaries, not weather reports.

The weather is included in the game summary. I even posted it.

 

It's okay.  We will beat the Dolphins at home, and they will complain about player safety and their sideline heaters lol

[Big Turk]

Just now, IronMaidenBills said:

We don’t have a professional Oline, we haven’t dedicated any draft capital to it in years, and when we do, we draft players like Ford. We are so lucky to have a mobile QB like Allen. He doesn’t deserve us. 

 

Well, when you are playing a 3rd string center and 3 other backups, 2 of whom have never played the position they were playing, I am not sure what you expected.

[uticaclub]

3 minutes ago, HereComesTheReignAgain said:

If you honestly think that miami is the better team, please accept a $100 straight up bet for the next game.  Hell, I'll even give you the three points for Bills home field advantage.  We can have a trusted poster hold onto the $ until the game.  A win is a win, but there is no way the dolphins are a better team that the Bills.  Especially without some crazy luck and sleazy field design.

We were down a ton of players they were the better team yesterday and i have 0 confidence with McDermott in a close game

[Milanos Milano]

1 minute ago, Big Turk said:

 

I mean yeah they should have probably still won, but to even be in position, and not only in position, but realistically dominate the game was astounding.

Only a W matters. Yes we dominated it for the most part, but we s the bed ALL the time. Belichick never loses these types of games. It’s embarrassing actually. We are dramatically underperforming so far. We are doing well despite an unprofessional Oline, which is incredible to me, but we are still underperforming for where our stats are. 

[What a Tuel]

1 minute ago, FireChans said:

The weather is included in the game summary. I even posted it.

 

It's okay.  We will beat the Dolphins at home, and they will complain about player safety and their sideline heaters lol

 

At least they get sideline heaters. Which is the point. For player safety, they should allow covered benches.

 

I can't imagine the NFL allowing the prohibition of heaters on sidelines.

[Milanos Milano]

Just now, Big Turk said:

 

Well, when you are playing a 3rd string center and 3 other backups, 2 of whom have never played the position they were playing, I am not sure what you expected.

We had these problems well before the injuries lately. Our Oline has been minor league for years now and Allen just transcends it. We are now well below minor league Oline now and it’s proven to much for Allen to handle, and I don’t blame him. 

3 minutes ago, uticaclub said:

We were down a ton of players they were the better team yesterday and i have 0 confidence with McDermott in a close game

Is the stat true that we are like 0-8 or something like that in close games. Maybe McD is holding us back. Our Oline +McD seems to be the main issue. 

[Big Turk]

3 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

We had these problems well before the injuries lately. Our Oline has been minor league for years now and Allen just transcends it. We are now well below minor league Oline now and it’s proven to much for Allen to handle, and I don’t blame him. 

 

The Bills do fine in pass pro, which is what they want.  Run blocking is a mix of scheme(and a new scheme this year) and continuously trying to do things they aren't good at like run power plays up the middle.

Edited September 26, 2022 by Big Turk

[Royale with Cheese]

4 minutes ago, FireChans said:

The weather is included in the game summary. I even posted it.

 

It's okay.  We will beat the Dolphins at home, and they will complain about player safety and their sideline heaters lol

 

There was an obvious difference yesterday.  We can just post all the weather links but we didn't have players dropping like fly's like in years past.

We didn't see the our defensive players dropping because of heat, the offense did.  We had very long sustained drives.  Then sit on the sidelines in the sun.

[Mr. WEO]

9 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

We don’t have a professional Oline, we haven’t dedicated any draft capital to it in years, and when we do, we draft players like Ford. We are so lucky to have a mobile QB like Allen. He doesn’t deserve us. 

 

Well they scored in bunches last week and the week before....

[Low Positive]

4 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

Only a W matters. Yes we dominated it for the most part, but we s the bed ALL the time. Belichick never loses these types of games. It’s embarrassing actually. We are dramatically underperforming so far. We are doing well despite an unprofessional Oline, which is incredible to me, but we are still underperforming for where our stats are. 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/playbyplay/_/gameId/401326313

 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/game/_/gameId/401326393

 

[Royale with Cheese]

6 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

Only a W matters. Yes we dominated it for the most part, but we s the bed ALL the time. Belichick never loses these types of games. It’s embarrassing actually. We are dramatically underperforming so far. We are doing well despite an unprofessional Oline, which is incredible to me, but we are still underperforming for where our stats are. 

 LOL

 

Belicheck is 0-4 against Tua.  

[Milanos Milano]

1 minute ago, Big Turk said:

 

The Bills do fine in pass pro, which is what they want.  Run blocking is a mix of scheme(and a new scheme this year) and continuously trying to do things they aren't good at like run power plays up the middle.

They actually don’t. Go look and count how many times Allen has to move outside of the pocket and the time he has to throw. Allen almost always scrambles and throws because he has too. Manning and Brady never had to deal with this BS. 

[Doc]

A homefield advantage is fine.  When it threatens player safety, something should be done about it.  

 

And again FU to the schedule makes for giving them a Monday Night game (after having a Prime Time game the week before) and then a Sunday afternoon game in Miami.