dma0034 Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 (edited) 3 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: Before this thread becomes the afterthought it's going to become as Mahomes wins MVP, may we just take a moment to consider that despite starting 16 games instead of 17 and playing even less when you factor Josh sitting large chunks of the Titans and Steelers games (did Mahomes even take a seat this year?) Allen has 3 fewer TDs, 2 more INTs, 500 fewer total yards and the same number of wins. All while dealing with an elbow injury and everything else this team had to deal with during the season. Milano finally and miraculously got his much deserved All Pro spot. Maybe Allen gets a bunch of deserved MVP votes. That elbow injury cost him. Also it will never help that he plays in a division that plays better defense imo. Edited January 15 by dma0034 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SydneyBillsFan Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 1 hour ago, transplantbillsfan said: Before this thread becomes the afterthought it's going to become as Mahomes wins MVP, may we just take a moment to consider that despite starting 16 games instead of 17 and playing even less when you factor Josh sitting large chunks of the Titans and Steelers games (did Mahomes even take a seat this year?) Allen has 3 fewer TDs, 2 more INTs, 500 fewer total yards and the same number of wins. All while dealing with an elbow injury and everything else this team had to deal with during the season. Milano finally and miraculously got his much deserved All Pro spot. Maybe Allen gets a bunch of deserved MVP votes. Yes, when you break down the numbers the difference really is negligible. Not to mention that the loss of Von meant that the D got less stops and therefore Josh had a bit less of the ball. Anyway, I'm sure Josh has his eye on a much bigger prize than MVP so he probably won't be too disappointed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 The sportsbooks nail it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awwufelloff Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 (edited) Still can’t believe we traded that pick away when we needed a QB Edited February 10 by Awwufelloff 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy1 Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 Mahomes is great but equally important is he has had a great team, GM and coach propelling his success. Bills are still playing catch-up in those areas around Josh. 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DapperCam Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Awwufelloff said: Still can’t believe we traded that pick away when we needed a QB He wouldn’t be the same on the Bills, or really any team that didn’t have Reid. They mesh so well. Allen finished third in voting btw, which is still a pretty great season for all you haters out there. Edited February 10 by DapperCam 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 (edited) 2 minutes ago, DapperCam said: He wouldn’t be the same on the Bills, or really any team that didn’t have Reid. They mesh so well. Exactly Pat would be good anywhere but he wouldn’t be NFL MVP good if he didn’t have the best offensive mind in football the last 20 years as his head coach from the moment his career started. Edited February 10 by 78thealltimegreat 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy1 Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 19 minutes ago, DapperCam said: He wouldn’t be the same on the Bills, or really any team that didn’t have Reid. They mesh so well. It’s more than just Reid. He has had an all time great TE, the fastest receiver in Hill, a good defensive coordinator and a great GM that continues to hit on talent despite drafting low each year. Mahomes has needed all of that to become the success he is. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted February 10 Author Share Posted February 10 Mahomes was obviously going to win it. The thing that might wind up breaking our hearts 15 years from now is the "What if" scenarios. What if Buffalo just drafted Mahomes? What if it was Buffalo that got Andy Reid as the Head Coach? What if Josh Allen didn't get the UCL injury vs the Jets? What if Von Miller didn't get injured? Etc. I still firmly believe in Allen as one of the best QBs in the NFL and the best in terms of sheer physical talent. Problem is, as good as our Head Coach and GM are (and I believe they're very good), they may pale in comparison to what Kansas City has. It's early in their careers, realistically, but I really thought this would be Brady vs. Manning... and I thought eventually Allen would be Brady. I still think he can be that. But at the moment with the pieces around him he might end up being more Roethlisberger. And no, for the idiot who started the thread saying Allen equals Rivers... I just don’t see that happening with a healthy Josh Allen for another 10 plus years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 2 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: Mahomes was obviously going to win it. The thing that might wind up breaking our hearts 15 years from now is the "What if" scenarios. What if Buffalo just drafted Mahomes? What if it was Buffalo that got Andy Reid as the Head Coach? What if Josh Allen didn't get the UCL injury vs the Jets? What if Von Miller didn't get injured? Etc. I still firmly believe in Allen as one of the best QBs in the NFL and the best in terms of sheer physical talent. Problem is, as good as our Head Coach and GM are (and I believe they're very good), they may pale in comparison to what Kansas City has. It's early in their careers, realistically, but I really thought this would be Brady vs. Manning... and I thought eventually Allen would be Brady. I still think he can be that. But at the moment with the pieces around him he might end up being more Roethlisberger. And no, for the idiot who started the thread saying Allen equals Rivers... I just don’t see that happening with a healthy Josh Allen for another 10 plus years. I'll start and end with this, he would have been in the same shoes that Allen is in right now. Trying to do everything on his own with a mediocre offense. Outside of Diggs, the Bills have very little. Imagine Mahomes with Zay Jones, K. Benjamin and a player that probably is bagging groceries somewhere. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Process Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 50 minutes ago, Awwufelloff said: Still can’t believe we traded that pick away when we needed a QB We'd still have zero Superbowls. Lol. You think that list would look the same if Mahomes was drafted by the Bills? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 (edited) It’s almost like Allen’s full potential of unmatched physical and arm talent needs a top OC mind to be next level. Which is unquestionable best in the league. Not continuously rebooting OCs. In 3 years we’ll all be discussing the OC minded coach to replace McD - 3 wasted seasons. Edited February 10 by Big Blitz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airseven Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 Allen is an August MVP, a perennial bridesmaid. 2 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 2 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said: Mahomes was obviously going to win it. The thing that might wind up breaking our hearts 15 years from now is the "What if" scenarios. What if Buffalo just drafted Mahomes? What if it was Buffalo that got Andy Reid as the Head Coach? What if Josh Allen didn't get the UCL injury vs the Jets? What if Von Miller didn't get injured? Etc. I still firmly believe in Allen as one of the best QBs in the NFL and the best in terms of sheer physical talent. Problem is, as good as our Head Coach and GM are (and I believe they're very good), they may pale in comparison to what Kansas City has. It's early in their careers, realistically, but I really thought this would be Brady vs. Manning... and I thought eventually Allen would be Brady. I still think he can be that. But at the moment with the pieces around him he might end up being more Roethlisberger. And no, for the idiot who started the thread saying Allen equals Rivers... I just don’t see that happening with a healthy Josh Allen for another 10 plus years. I have always thought Ben is the comparitor in that sense. Not that Allen isn't more talented than Ben, he is. But I think the Bills organisation now has much more in common with those Steelers operations than the Colts or the Patriots. And it takes more than a QB to win. The Bills will break through and win a ring or maybe two. I am still confident of that. But they are not a dynasty. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 51 minutes ago, Airseven said: Allen is an August MVP, a perennial bridesmaid. Three criticisms of Allen: #1 has hurt his right UCL in 2/5 seasons #2 rarely takes the check-down leading to suboptimal completion % #3 too many TOs 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 3 hours ago, Andy1 said: It’s more than just Reid. He has had an all time great TE, the fastest receiver in Hill, a good defensive coordinator and a great GM that continues to hit on talent despite drafting low each year. Mahomes has needed all of that to become the success he is. Yup Mahomes' support system runs circles around Josh's. That's why he's called upon to be Superman and cover up all the warts of this team/org. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seventeen Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 4 hours ago, Dr.Sack said: Three criticisms of Allen: #1 has hurt his right UCL in 2/5 seasons #2 rarely takes the check-down leading to suboptimal completion % #3 too many TOs You make it sound like Josh planned on hurting his right UCL. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGMcD2 Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 6 hours ago, Big Blitz said: It’s almost like Allen’s full potential of unmatched physical and arm talent needs a top OC mind to be next level. Which is unquestionable best in the league. Not continuously rebooting OCs. In 3 years we’ll all be discussing the OC minded coach to replace McD - 3 wasted seasons. What are you talking about ?“continuously rebooting OCs.” He’s had 2 offensive coordinators and the first left to be a head coach and won COTY this season. The exact same guy this board wanted to run out of town every week for 4 years. Shall I post all of your comments on Daboll from 2018 - 2021? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 When Andy Reid was in Philly with McNabb I can't recall a single a complimentary post about the guy on these forums. I seem to recall only mocking derision. When he had Smith in KC all I remember is laughter. Now there are posters calling him the best offensive mind in football. Huh. I wonder what changed? 1 1 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awwufelloff Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 8 hours ago, Process said: We'd still have zero Superbowls. Lol. You think that list would look the same if Mahomes was drafted by the Bills? I do Mahomes is far better than Allen. We likely win a Super Bowl last 2 yrs with Mahomes 1 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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