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1 hour ago, Thurman#1 said:

What in the world are you talking about?

 

That article is overwhelmingly positive and excited.

 

Sully gets it just fine and the article is a good one. Made me remember the Kelly - Thurman - Bruce days.

 

 

 

Could you quick point out where Sully expressed resentment at the happiness of others?

 

Because having read the whole article, I can't find one word to indicate this.

 

What he said was about jealousy (referring to the wish that the Bills teams of his boyhood had been much better), not resentment of the good luck of the young Bills fans of today. He wants those young fans to deeply understand how good they have it, and to enjoy it to the fullest.

 

I'm with him. I've got a 20 year-old nephew who grew up in Boston. He can't even begin to understand what Boston sports fans dealt with for the decades before he started to follow the Sox and the Pats. Now he often complains that it's no fun to follow those teams anymore. He was spoiled silly. I told him much the same thing Sully said here, enjoy the living hell out of this purple patch because it won't last forever. He told me I didn't know what I was talking about. Now he's starting to get it.

 

 

Did you not read what the OP said?  What he bolded and commented on makes sense to you huh?  Do you agree with sully’s  sentiment?

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12 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Did you not read what the OP said?  What he bolded and commented on makes sense to you huh?  Do you agree with sully’s  sentiment?

How about reading the whole article instead of the snippets the OP took to make Sully look bad.  Notice the OP didn't include a link because he would have been exposed.  Here's the whole thing, reading it might change your mind, since the best parts are nowhere in this thread:  https://www.niagara-gazette.com/sports/sullivan-josh-allen-offers-hope-that-makes-bills-fans-unburdened-by-past-scars/article_9f49477a-1510-11ed-a353-8fd8e72d75d8.html

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Someday, like all of us, Sullivan will pass away.

 

When he does there won't be a lot of fond memories of him like there were of Larry Felser, Jim Kelley, etc.

 

That's too bad when you think about it. Someone that was paid to entertain and inform the masses will be remembered as a guy that enjoyed crapping on optimism.

 

Oh well. Such is life.

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Those easily bothered by Jerry’s articles/columns….He sucks!

 

Everyone else…who cares, or his words don’t bother me to the point where I need to start a thread about it. 
 

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5 hours ago, jwhit34 said:

 

It beats the alternative — trying to convince themselves that a dysfunctional organization with a parade of flawed quarterbacks might actually shock the world and make a title run, when it became yet another heroic run to 7-9 or 6-10.

 

This part is accurate though... I've been following the Bills 2001(ish) on the official forums, & every year people were trying to will it into existence that Kelly Holcomb or Levi Brown (basically ANYONE) would break through & lead that particular roster to the playoffs.

 

And every year there'd be tons of overconfident posts proclaiming 11-5 or 13-3 seasons, with proclamations of Brady's demise surely on its way. 

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1 hour ago, aceman_16 said:

All this Scottlaw bashing.....I dont get it. I may not agree with him often but at least he can pose a different view (albeit slanted negative). Badol, on the other hand, I don't pay enough attention to his posts to see anything of substance good or bad (probably like mine for 99.9% of the board here).

Don’t pay attention to them. 😉

2 minutes ago, BigDingus said:

 

This part is accurate though... I've been following the Bills 2001(ish) on the official forums, & every year people were trying to will it into existence that Kelly Holcomb or Levi Brown (basically ANYONE) would break through & lead that particular roster to the playoffs.

 

And every year there'd be tons of overconfident posts proclaiming 11-5 or 13-3 seasons, with proclamations of Brady's demise surely on its way. 

Yes… it’s why his comment about people being envy of the kids with Josh Allen is false…. Fans would convince themselves(wrongly of course)every year how good this team would be…. There is no envy because they’d always find some bull ***** reason to be positive about the team.😅

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4 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Don’t pay attention to them. 😉

Yes… it’s why his comment about people being envy of the kids with Josh Allen is false…. Fans would convince themselves(wrongly of course)every year how good this team would be…. There is no envy because they’d always find some bull ***** reason to be positive about the team.😅

And now that things have turned to the good there will be those that find some bull****  reason to be negative about the team. 😅😅

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14 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said:

How about reading the whole article instead of the snippets the OP took to make Sully look bad.  Notice the OP didn't include a link because he would have been exposed.  Here's the whole thing, reading it might change your mind, since the best parts are nowhere in this thread:  https://www.niagara-gazette.com/sports/sullivan-josh-allen-offers-hope-that-makes-bills-fans-unburdened-by-past-scars/article_9f49477a-1510-11ed-a353-8fd8e72d75d8.html

If I stand corrected, so be it.  Apologies for being uninformed.  
 

One thing I will NOT do, EVER again, is click on a Sully article.  I’ll read what people snippet here, nothing more

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Just now, JDHillFan said:

And now that things have turned to the good there will be those that find some bull****  reason to be negative about the team. 😅😅

I think the Bills take the one seed this year… In a 17 game season I don’t think being concerned about thin WR and offensive line depth is “being negative about the team”. 

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I've always liked Sullivan's writing even when he left me exasperated or angry.  The truth is his cynicism was mostly well placed over much of the past 20 years. 

 

At the same time, I agree with the OP's sentiment.  While I'm not exactly glad the drought happened, it is what it is, and I have no jealousy towards the youngins who didn't have to suffer through the lean years (and as anyone, anywhere, who has a few years under their belts knows, good and bad times come and go over a lifespan).  

 

Regarding that point, I'm guessing that Sullivan just sort of threw that in there without much reflection, but maybe not.  That then begs the question - does he not "get" Buffalonians/Bills fans at their core, or does he get us and just enjoys poking the bear so to speak?  Lol.  Either way, he's always entertained me and it doesn't hurt to have one cynical voice among a mostly supportive and sunshine pumping local press.

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Sully has always been an "outsider" (he's from Providence RI, I believe) and has maintained that POV his whole career.    Unlike the Felsers and Kelley's and beloved columnists who were home grown WNYers.     

 

That detachment can be effective in the right hands.    But not for Jerry, who's always viewed local sports fans as drunks on barstools (of which there are many, to be honest). 

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You all draw these inaccurate conclusions about stuff he writes. There’s nothing about this that implies he doesn’t understand the community. His points praise Allen and are all completely fair. He can be prickly but it seems bias people have about him impact the way they read his stuff. He’s also one of the few from the soft Buffalo media who tries to hold these guys to account 

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13 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

I think the Bills take the one seed this year… In a 17 game season I don’t think being concerned about thin WR and offensive line depth is “being negative about the team”. 

Then why harp on it over and over and over and then do it all again and again and again? It’s enough to make you seem as though you are “being negative about the team”.

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5 hours ago, jwhit34 said:

At first I resisted clicking on Jerry Sullivan's latest article, "Josh Allen offers hope that makes Bills fans unburdened by past scars." But I did, and am glad I did. I have been reading his work for decades and like many here at TBD have and so many times just shake my head after reading his columns. He's a good writer but there's something missing in his work. 

 

Today I think I found it: He doesn't get it. For as long as he has lived and worked in the area, he really doesn't understand the community. 

 

Case in point: the following excerpt from the column:

 

That’s it. Once you have the franchise quarterback, all things are possible. Allen has allowed Bills fans to rise above the old fatalism. Sure, the loss to the Chiefs added another chapter to the chronicle of woe. But if anything, it made people more certain Allen would eventually win the big one, and maybe more than one.

 

It beats the alternative — trying to convince themselves that a dysfunctional organization with a parade of flawed quarterbacks might actually shock the world and make a title run, when it became yet another heroic run to 7-9 or 6-10.

 

Anyone who grew up during that 17-year drought must feel envious of those kids in the Allen jerseys today. They probably want to grab them by the collar and say, ‘You have no idea how good you have it! I suffered through Losman and Manuel and Edwards and Taylor and the bad Bledsoe, and Fitz at his worst.’

 

The bolded sentence is what he doesn't understand about us and Buffalo. Us older Bills fans are not "envious of those kids in the Allen jerseys today". We love seeing "those kids in the Allen jerseys today". Buffalonians stay in Buffalo because they love the area, love the people, and despite the challenges the area has had economically, weather, etc., part of that is our bond and our perpetual optimism makes that bond even stronger. Parents stay in the area and raise their kids in Buffalo because they think it's a great place to be and think their kids will have it even better than they did, and they want that for their kids. 

 

And that goes for the Bills and their fans. I am so excited for the next generation to experience hopefully a great run by this current iteration of the Bills, and how cool it will be for all those kids with Allen jerseys. Zero envy.

 

I spent the first half of my life in Buffalo and then moved to Rochester when I got married, and I love Rochester but Buffalo was, is and always will be special to me. It will always be a part of me, helped make me who I am today. The biggest thing I miss are the people. Almost 35 years later I still have my season tickets and love going to the games. I can't wait to one day celebrate a Super Bowl win with our kids, one who is a Bills fanatic. 

 

After all these years, it is too bad that Sullivan has not captured maybe the key component of what makes this community and Bills fans tick, and I find that as the missing piece in his writing. 

 

This is a visual example, of how much this matters:

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I'm good with realistic negative.  Constructive criticism is fine and many of his criticisms were on the mark.  What soured me on Sully was his appearances on WGR.  He had this thing he would say sometimes:

 

"So, how do you like your football team?"

 

Now, that is a fine question to start discussion about the merits and deficiencies of a team...but he always seemed to say it with an accusing tone.  Sometimes it was almost like he was daring anyone else to defend any aspect of the team.  He seemed to enjoy it so much.  Maybe it is dangerous to read too much into tone, but he seemed happy the Bills were bad.

 

I couldn't read him after that.

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I read the column. I have no problem with it. It is sympathetic to the plight of long-suffering Bills fans and the enthusiasm instilled by a franchise QB like Josh Allen. 

Some excerpts:
"I was reminded of that when walking around Bills training camp at St. John Fisher. There were countless little kids, holding their parents’ hands as they walked expectantly through the courtyard at St. John Fisher and toward the practice field.

 

"Those children are too young to have had their hearts broken. They’re not dwelling on the 13 seconds against Kansas City, unburdened by cynicism. Their love of the hometown team is innocent, unspoiled. They’re wearing their little No. 17 jerseys and sharing a passion that has been passed down over the generations.

 

"OK, maybe I’m going a little soft here. I’m still a trained skeptic. But it’s become increasingly clear to me that most Bills fans have a child-like faith and innocence when it comes to this team. Sure, they carry scars of past disappointments. But like a kid in the summertime, they’re living in the moment, filled with hope.

 

"That’s it. Once you have the franchise quarterback, all things are possible. Allen has allowed Bills fans to rise above the old fatalism. Sure, the loss to the Chiefs added another chapter to the chronicle of woe. But if anything, it made people more certain Allen would eventually win the big one, and maybe more than one.

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1 hour ago, Long Suffering Fan said:

I'm good with realistic negative.  Constructive criticism is fine and many of his criticisms were on the mark.  What soured me on Sully was his appearances on WGR.  He had this thing he would say sometimes:

 

"So, how do you like your football team?"

 

Now, that is a fine question to start discussion about the merits and deficiencies of a team...but he always seemed to say it with an accusing tone.  Sometimes it was almost like he was daring anyone else to defend any aspect of the team.  He seemed to enjoy it so much.  Maybe it is dangerous to read too much into tone, but he seemed happy the Bills were bad.

 

I couldn't read him after that.

 

I think you're getting into the truth of the matter. 

 

It's easy to trip up and say "Gee, I guess I see where Sullivan is coming from. We have been bad in the past, and there are negatives. It's not good to be a pollyanna!" 

 

But that's assuming that Sullivan is a good actor/impartial observer in this situation, who is maybe a fan of the team, wants the team to be good, and genuinely "calls it like he sees it". For example, I love the team, but I did not love Daboll or McDermott's decision making in 2018/2019. Both issues have been taken care of, and now I'm a happy camper. Imagine if I now changed gears and started tunnel-visioning into some other issue on the team? At what point am I no longer impartial, and I'm now a type of person who is inclined to mainly focus on negatives no matter how small they are? 

 

If this is a sour and nasty person (bad actor) who ENJOYS negativity, that makes him very dangerous for the psyche of the fanbase and any member of the organization that reads him and allows his criticism to get in their heads. Anybody who has lived around NYC for a long time knows how intelligent people can play incredible mind games at high levels. Extremely dangerous and not a joke at all. Their trick is to give you a partial truth (which you accept) and then start pumping you with doubt. They take advantage of your good nature. Those people must be avoided at all cost. 

 

Then there is the other common counter: "Just ignore him. Why are you sensitive? He is living rent free in your head!" There is truth to this as well. There are lots of negative people out there that you can just ignore. However, and I've said this in the past, some people have powerful negative energies that you cannot ignore. The only thing you can do is get as far away from them as possible. This is very old wisdom. "Stay away from the unlucky, they will always bring you bad luck". 

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