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10 minutes ago, DRsGhost said:

Plant stuff? The FBI? C'mon man! It's not like they got four FISA warrants based on complete bunk and an FBI agent pleaded GUILTY to altering evidence in order to bolster one of those applications. 

 

There's absolutely no reason to believe that the FBI given unsupervised access to Trump's private residence for hours would EVER do such a thing!

 

A source close to the former president expressed concern that FBI agents or DOJ lawyers conducting the search could have “planted stuff” because they would not allow Trump’s attorneys inside the 128-room building to observe the operation, which lasted more than nine hours.

 

Obviously they are going to claim they planted stuff.  Cast doubt any way possible.  I am not even saying it couldn't happen, but just saying it doesn't make it true.

 

Also, how can you claim everything is bogus when you have zero idea what was on the warrant, or what the warrant was for?  In your own article, it says Trump's lawyers told the staff to give them access to everything, so I have to assume the warrant granted access to everything.  And if the staff did NOT turn of security cameras, then that should help some in regards to them "planting" stuff, right?

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Quoting someone and you don't remember who said it?

 

Google might help you out for better context.

 

Tldr:  A music composer named Frank Wilhoit said this in a left wing blog post in 2018, not the political scientist Frank Wilhoit, who died in 2010.

 

Since it was made in the middle of the Trump presidency, it's not a historical quote that recent events have come to illuminate as "truth"

 

It was a partisan comment made on a left wing blog when Trump was in office.

 

https://slate.com/business/2022/06/wilhoits-law-conservatives-frank-wilhoit.html

 

 

 

15 minutes ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said:

 

Wow. Holy wild overstatement Batman.

 

That occurred is less destructive or violent than countless no-knock warrants issued for going after drugs. In both cases, the justification has been "to prevent people from destroying evidence". No one was shot, which already makes this one of the better warranted searches in this country.

 

So comrade, are you finally ready to place restrictions on searches and seizures in this country, with a greater perponderance of evidence required for a warrant, the removal of no knock warrants and greater civilian oversight on law enforcement activities? Because there was a big protest about that in 2020 that was about those things that I seem to remember that you did not look kindly upon?

 

Or is this just "doing it to the wrong kind of people" and you are throwing out a soundbite showing your utter lack of knowledge on how law enforcement has been operating?

 

It's about not redefining words when things are being done to the "right" people. 

 

When federal agents show up at your door, my door, anyone's door unannounced and demand access to everything in your home justified or not...... It's called a raid. It always has been.

 

JFC.

 

https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/03/politics/fbi-raids-capitol-attack-investigation/index.html

 

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/31/opinions/lindsey-graham-roger-stone-fbi-raid-response-gagliano/index.html

 

https://www.npr.org/2022/04/28/1095196835/rudy-giuliani-fbi-raid-investigation

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11 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

Naive would be thinking they had shaky grounds to execute the raid.  It had to be scrutinized a LOT more than if it was Joe Blow Schmuckatelly.  That doesn't mean 45 isn't a schmuckatelly or a Joe Blow. 😏 

 

I mean, if the FBI thinks it can raid Donald's Trump's house for stealing classified documents from the White House what's to stop them for raiding John Q. Public's house for stealing classified documents from the White House? 

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3 minutes ago, Motorin' said:

 

I mean, if the FBI thinks it can raid Donald's Trump's house for stealing classified documents from the White House what's to stop them for raiding John Q. Public's house for stealing classified documents from the White House? 

😆 Nothing. They already have no problem raiding John Q. Public's.

 

You got this assbackwards.  

 

Treat him just like Gov. Blago. Nobody is above the law. There should be no "executive privilege." He's just an ordinary citizen now anyway.

 

Oh... Wait, the vacuum tubes in my sarcasm detector just warmed up.

 

 

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13 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

😆 Nothing. They already have no problem raiding John Q. Public's.

 

You got this assbackwards.  

 

Treat him just like Gov. Blago. Nobody is above the law. There should be no "executive privilege." He's just an ordinary citizen now anyway.

 

Oh... Wait, the vacuum tubes in my sarcasm detector just warmed up.

 

 

 

But they'll never come for me. I'm wearing my blue.

 

Uh huh...

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41 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

Naive would be thinking they had shaky grounds to execute the raid.  It had to be scrutinized a LOT more than if it was Joe Blow Schmuckatelly.  That doesn't mean 45 isn't a schmuckatelly or a Joe Blow. 😏 

Scrutinized by who….exactly? You’ve got to be kidding, right?

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4 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Scrutinized by who….exactly? You’ve got to be kidding, right?

...by a judge. Who reviewed findings and felt there was probably cause.

 

You know, like they are supposed to do for everyone. But on top of that (quoting from NPR)

 

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Besides the federal judge who approved the warrant, the raid likely needed sign-off by the director of the FBI himself — Christopher Wray, who was appointed in 2017 by President Trump.

 

16 minutes ago, DRsGhost said:

 

But they'll never come for me. I'm wearing my blue.

 

Uh huh...

umm...that's the point that police reform activists have been hammering for years. Again, I ask, are you in favor of criminal justice reform now, or are you mad because your cult leader is the one in the machine this time?

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Just now, WhitewalkerInPhilly said:

...by a judge. Who reviewed findings and felt there was probably cause.

 

You know, like they are supposed to do for everyone. But on top of that (quoting from NPR)

 

[quote]Besides the federal judge who approved the warrant, the raid likely needed sign-off by the director of the FBI himself — Christopher Wray, who was appointed in 2017 by President Trump.[/quote]

Have you looked into the judge? I’m guessing not. 
 

Do you know where the FBI Director was last week? And now where he is this week? I’m guessing not.

 

CNN won’t tell you any of this. 
 

 

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2 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Have you looked into the judge? I’m guessing not. 
 

Do you know where the FBI Director was last week? And now where he is this week? I’m guessing not.

 

CNN won’t tell you any of this. 
 

 

 

 

5 minutes ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said:

...by a judge. Who reviewed findings and felt there was probably cause.

 

You know, like they are supposed to do for everyone. But on top of that (quoting from NPR)

 

 

umm...that's the point that police reform activists have been hammering for years. Again, I ask, are you in favor of criminal justice reform now, or are you mad because your cult leader is the one in the machine this time?

 

I want equal justice under the law. Period.

 

You?

 

If so, then the FBI should be raiding Hunter Bidens home yesterday.

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5 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Have you looked into the judge? I’m guessing not. 
 

Do you know where the FBI Director was last week? And now where he is this week? I’m guessing not.

 

CNN won’t tell you any of this. 
 

 

I mean, I have heard the Epstein conspiracy theories again, but I live in the real world and not a bubble.

 

And from what records say, Wray was before Congress last week doing standard department spin. 

 

Nothing here is telling me anything that makes this any different from what everyday Americans suffer. If you want to fix that problem, get aboard, but I heard plenty of naysayers back in 2020.

7 minutes ago, DRsGhost said:
 

 

If so, then the FBI should be raiding Hunter Bidens home yesterday.

Go for it. 

 

Oh, what, you think that I'm upset over someone being investigated for charges of (checks federal probe info) tax evasion? Surely that has the moral equivalence of (checks other federal probe) stealing classified documents.

 

Nail 'em both, but even on your whataboutism let's not pretend that Hunter Biden is anywhere near as bad as Trump is.

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From what I've been reading elsewhere the DOJ/FBI raid objective is to use the boxes of national archive material warrant in an attempt to apply a little used federal code 2071.  And disqualify Trump from holding future office by acquiring a conviction on charges.  In other words, get him off the ballot as a potential 2024 candidate.  The problem is the threshold of intent is very high.  The risk of dismissal in court is high unless its US District Court in the District of Columbia.  Along with appeals all the way to SCOTUS.  All I can figure is the establishment is scared to death and crapping their knickers at the possibly of Trump part 2. 

 

18 U.S. Code § 2071 - Concealment, removal, or mutilation generally

 

(a) Whoever willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, or destroys, or attempts to do so, or, with intent to do so takes and carries away any record, proceeding, map, book, paper, document, or other thing, filed or deposited with any clerk or officer of any court of the United States, or in any public office, or with any judicial or public officer of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.

(b) Whoever, having the custody of any such record, proceeding, map, book, document, paper, or other thing, willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, falsifies, or destroys the same, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both; and shall forfeit his office and be disqualified from holding any office under the United States. As used in this subsection, the term “office” does not include the office held by any person as a retired officer of the Armed Forces of the United States.

(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 795; Pub. L. 101–510, div. A, title V, § 552(a), Nov. 5, 1990, 104 Stat. 1566; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(1)(I), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

 

 

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13 minutes ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said:

I mean, I have heard the Epstein conspiracy theories again, but I live in the real world and not a bubble.

 

And from what records say, Wray was before Congress last week doing standard department spin. 

 

Nothing here is telling me anything that makes this any different from what everyday Americans suffer. If you want to fix that problem, get aboard, but I heard plenty of naysayers back in 2020.

Go for it. 

 

Oh, what, you think that I'm upset over someone being investigated for charges of (checks federal probe info) tax evasion? Surely that has the moral equivalence of (checks other federal probe) stealing classified documents.

 

Nail 'em both, but even on your whataboutism let's not pretend that Hunter Biden is anywhere near as bad as Trump is.

 

Tax evasion. Right.

 

10% for the big guy. 

 

Quid pro quo

 

:lol:

 

 

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You gotta love the conspiracy theorists already claiming the FBI planted evidence. Jumping the gun there a bit. If they were really planting evidence, how would we know yet until that "evidence" was revealed?

 

Also, everybody seems to be an expert on how magistrate judges are selected for warrant sign offs in Florida now. If the judge in this case truly was in the tank for Epstein, why would he sign off on a warrant for one of Epstein's buddies?

 

All year, it was "if Trump did a crime, why didn't he get charged for it?" and now, when Trump isn't even charged with a crime, but just has his place searched because he kept classified documents there, we gotta move those goalposts some more because the GodKing cannot be questioned.

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7 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

Pssst... Don't do nothing wrong, they won't come for you.

I'll keep this drumbeat going: Do you support defunding the police? Because I'm all for it.

 

If you think that law enforcement is corrupt, and judges who sign off on search warrants are corrupt, and prosecutors are corrupt then why protect them?

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3 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

It's absurd to believe Joke wasn't told (repeatedly, I'm sure).  Even they know it but have to pretend to believe he wasn't.

 

The main concern here for WH is if Joe remembers to say that he wasn't told.

 

Whether he was told or not.

 

These are the types of issues you must deal with when you've installed a dementia patient as POTUS.

 

 

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1 minute ago, DRsGhost said:

The main concern here for WH is if Joe remembers to say that he wasn't told.

 

Whether he was told or not.

 

These are the types of issues you must deal with when you've installed a dementia patient as POTUS.

 

"I told them to raid that son-of-a-B word's home..."

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2 minutes ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said:

I'll keep this drumbeat going: Do you support defunding the police? Because I'm all for it.

 

If you think that law enforcement is corrupt, and judges who sign off on search warrants are corrupt, and prosecutors are corrupt then why protect them?

 

Law enforcement is only corrupt when it goes after people I agree with. When it goes after people I disagree with, then you have to back them.

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21 minutes ago, DRsGhost said:

 

Tax evasion. Right.

 

10% for the big guy. 

 

Quid pro quo

 

:lol:

 

 

Tax evasion is the thing that Hunter Biden is currently under federal investigation for.

The removal of a corrupt Ukranian prosecutor actually increased the odds of charges against it. 

And once again, if there is evidence for it, nail his ass to the wall.

But no, this is just your "ooooh everyone is corrupt, therefore this has to be corrupt, therefore you can't believe your own eyes" way of burying your head in the sand.

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3 minutes ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said:

Tax evasion is the thing that Hunter Biden is currently under federal investigation for.

The removal of a corrupt Ukranian prosecutor actually increased the odds of charges against it. 

And once again, if there is evidence for it, nail his ass to the wall.

But no, this is just your "ooooh everyone is corrupt, therefore this has to be corrupt, therefore you can't believe your own eyes" way of burying your head in the sand.

 

You do realize that they impeached Trump for asking about the corruption that Biden outlined on tape, right?

 

1. Hunter is getting millions of dollars for serving on the board of a Ukrainian gas company.

 

2. That company is being investigated for corruption.

 

3. Biden tells Ukraine to fire the prosecutor who is investigating or he is not giving the billion dollar loan guarantees.  US taxpayers funds.

 

4. They then fire the prosecutor. 

 

That's quid pro quo.

 

Meanwhile we have hunters laptop with verified emails saying 10% of Hunters ill gotten gain is reserved for "the big guy"

 

Replace Joe with Trump and Hunter with Don Jr. in the above fact pattern and where do you suppose we are today?

 

Im sorry who's burying their head in the sand?

 

 

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18 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

Pssst... Don't do nothing wrong, they won't come for you.

This is true as long as we all agree that "nothing wrong" means not criticizing the government or the party and being an obedient citizen that always does what your overlords demand of you.  

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1 minute ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

This is true as long as we all agree that "nothing wrong" means not criticizing the government or the party and being an obedient citizen that always does what your overlords demand of you.  

 

And that "nothing wrong" definition gets smaller and tighter with the more power you cede to the "right" side.

 

until the day comes when your former political "allies" come knocking on your door.

3 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

Wow... The conspiracy nuts are out and about.

 

The lessons of history now = conspiracy theories.

 

Never change commies.

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18 minutes ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said:

Tax evasion is the thing that Hunter Biden is currently under federal investigation for.

The removal of a corrupt Ukranian prosecutor actually increased the odds of charges against it. 

And once again, if there is evidence for it, nail his ass to the wall.

But no, this is just your "ooooh everyone is corrupt, therefore this has to be corrupt, therefore you can't believe your own eyes" way of burying your head in the sand.

 

That's the thing - the cult thinks we idolize Biden like they do Trump.

 

And we don't.

 

NO BODY Is above the LAW - except for Donald J Trump

 

 

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17 minutes ago, DRsGhost said:

 

You do realize that they impeached Trump for asking about the corruption that Biden outlined on tape, right?

 

1. Hunter is getting millions of dollars for serving on the board of a Ukrainian gas company.

 

2. That company is being investigated for corruption.

 

3. Biden tells Ukraine to fire the prosecutor who is investigating or he is not giving the billion dollar loan guarantees.  US taxpayers funds.

 

4. They then fire the prosecutor. 

 

That's quid pro quo.

 

Meanwhile we have hunters laptop with verified emails saying 10% of Hunters ill gotten gain is reserved for "the big guy"

 

Replace Joe with Trump and Hunter with Don Jr. in the above fact pattern and where do you suppose we are today?

 

Im sorry who's burying their head in the sand?

 

 

 

This is just blatantly false.

 

Biden pressured Ukraine to fire the prosecutor for NOT fighting corruption. It was a move backed not just by US policy, but also by the rest of Europe.

 

Burisma had been investigated for its activities before Hunter joined its board but was not under investigation at the time that Biden called for the prosecutor to be removed.

 

Senate Republicans investigated this and found there was no evidence that Biden had pressured Ukraine to fire the prosecutor as a way to protect Hunter.

 

In fact, if anything, removing the corrupt prosecutor would have made it more likely, not less, that Hunter would be investigated.

 

You can cherry pick little things all you want, but once people look into the actual thing you're claiming, it'll quickly become evident that you have fallen for misinformation.

4 minutes ago, nedboy7 said:

I thought the Turmper idiots were supposed to be preparing for a civil war.  I just wonder who they are supposed to be in a war with? 

 

Reality? Their last remaining brain cells?

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11 hours ago, Andy1 said:

No one disputes that Trump removed over a dozen boxes of documents when he left the White House. Everyone knows when you take the job that all records stay in the archives. You are there to serve the nation and you leave with nothing other than what you brought in. There have been reports of Trump shredding, burning and flushing documents while he was President.
 

So why would he be taking classified, secret documents with him to MAL? Anyone there to serve the nation would make sure that all documents are left for the records. There are literally no good reasons to take the documents, unless he wants them for illegal purposes. I’m sure at some point, we will learn what this is about. Let the legal wheel turn.

But that's not the case at all, and the actions of administrations past have not resulted in the swat team swarming the premises. 

 

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/why-is-the-obama-administration-trying-to-keep-11000-documents-sealed-67555/

 

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/obama-administration-sets-new-record-withholding-foia-requests

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2022/02/20/bush-obama-trump-all-use-presidential-record-act-hide-history/6803334001/?gnt-cfr=1

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/ap-us-govt-sets-record-for-failures-to-find-files-when-asked-2016-3

 

 

Your standard is admirable, but naive.  It doesn't occur.  It hasn't occurred.  It won't occur with Biden.  Hillary Clinton--she of completely reckless behavior and self-inflicted wounds, is now positioned as the heroine of the story.

 

The only difference here is folks who screamed loudly about an authoritarian government are perfectly comfortable with authoritarian activity under the right circumstances.  To be fair, of course, it's possible that Trump was 'guilty' of everything he's been accused of over the past 5 years, though completely improbable that he could be guilty of it all.  Billy Joel could rewrite his song "We Didn't Start the Fire" just focusing on allegations made over the past 5 years, most of which ended with nothing. 

 

So, after 5 straight years of "Wow, He's Russian", "Wow, He's a Ukrainamaniac", "Wow, Michael Avenatti, trust him!", "Wow, Stormy Daniels!", "Wow, he's beaten the IRS and they don't know it!", "Wow, his calls for peaceful protest really meant storm the Capitol!", and now...."Wow, suddenly, Presidential records issues result in the need for an armed force to search his home just before the mid-terms!".

 

Consider that you're being played for a chump, because there is a high probability that you are. 

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3 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

But that's not the case at all, and the actions of administrations past have not resulted in the swat team swarming the premises. 

 

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/why-is-the-obama-administration-trying-to-keep-11000-documents-sealed-67555/

 

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/obama-administration-sets-new-record-withholding-foia-requests

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2022/02/20/bush-obama-trump-all-use-presidential-record-act-hide-history/6803334001/?gnt-cfr=1

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/ap-us-govt-sets-record-for-failures-to-find-files-when-asked-2016-3

 

 

Your standard is admirable, but naive.  It doesn't occur.  It hasn't occurred.  It won't occur with Biden.  Hillary Clinton--she of completely reckless behavior and self-inflicted wounds, is now positioned as the heroine of the story.

 

The only difference here is folks who screamed loudly about an authoritarian government are perfectly comfortable with authoritarian activity under the right circumstances.  To be fair, of course, it's possible that Trump was 'guilty' of everything he's been accused of over the past 5 years, though completely improbable that he could be guilty of it all.  Billy Joel could rewrite his song "We Didn't Start the Fire" just focusing on allegations made over the past 5 years, most of which ended with nothing. 

 

So, after 5 straight years of "Wow, He's Russian", "Wow, He's a Ukrainamaniac", "Wow, Michael Avenatti, trust him!", "Wow, Stormy Daniels!", "Wow, he's beaten the IRS and they don't know it!", "Wow, his calls for peaceful protest really meant storm the Capitol!", and now...."Wow, suddenly, Presidential records issues result in the need for an armed force to search his home just before the mid-terms!".

 

Consider that you're being played for a chump, because there is a high probability that you are. 

 

📌 this lefties.

 

 

 

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Kevin McCarthy Pledges to Investigate Garland After Mar-a-Lago FBI Search

In response to the Department of Justice (DOJ) sending FBI investigators to former President Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago estate this week, House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-California) vowed to open an inquiry into Attorney General Merrick Garland if Republicans win control of the House of Representatives in this year’s midterm races.

 

“When Republicans take back the House, we will conduct immediate oversight of this department,” McCarthy said.

The highest-ranking Republican in the House also issued a warning for Garland. “Preserve your documents and clear your calendar,” he said.

 

https://truthout.org/articles/kevin-mccarthy-pledges-to-investigate-garland-after-mar-a-lago-fbi-search/

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This tweet sounds about right.

 

So I'll preemptively say this. If the DOJ/FBI releases the warrant first, then I'll inspect it with a very jaundiced eye.

 

If it's first revealed through a leak to the NYT or the like then my default position is to believe absolutely none of it.

 

And the longer this takes to see it, the more likely a leaking spin story is being fabricated behind the scenes.

 

Get out the narrative and it becomes the truth.

 

It's the bed you've made leftists.

 

 

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21 minutes ago, BillStime said:

 

That's the thing - the cult thinks we idolize Biden like they do Trump.

 

And we don't.

 

NO BODY Is above the LAW - except for Donald J Trump

 

 

Joe Biden was my least favorite choice to win the Democratic primary. Unfortunately, the primary process seems to prioritize the opinions in people in states that Democrats are less likely to win, meaning that Democrats get dragged to the center while Republicans have become a lunatic fringe.

 

If tomorrow, the Justice Department announced that Hunter Biden was facing charges and Biden decided to not run in 2024 I would cheer because it would mean someone more competent on the ticket.

 

So say what you want about him. Go for it.

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