Seven Subpoenaed in Fulton County Grand Jury Investigation Investigating Trump's Attempts to Overturn the 2020 Election

[716er]

 

[ChiGoose]

But I had been assured this was all just a partisan witch-hunt.

[Big Blitz]

Drag it all out till November.......2024!!!!!

 

 

Woooooooooo hooooooooooooooo!!!! 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[716er]

 

[ChiGoose]

7 minutes ago, 716er said:

 

For all of the talk about incitement for the events of Jan 6th, this is actually where Trump himself probably had the greatest legal exposure.

 

They have him on tape breaking the law and if they can get testimony on top of that from people close to him, it might make a successful prosecution very likely. 

[BillsFanNC]

No really.  It's this time.  We've got him. The walls are closing in....

[B-Man]

6 minutes ago, DRsGhost said:

No really.  It's this time.  We've got him. The walls are closing in....

 

 

Quick, before November, a THIRD Impeachment !!

[716er]

14 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:

For all of the talk about incitement for the events of Jan 6th, this is actually where Trump himself probably had the greatest legal exposure.

 

They have him on tape breaking the law and if they can get testimony on top of that from people close to him, it might make a successful prosecution very likely. 

 

Good point. Agree there, though I would not bet on it.

[Big Blitz]

9 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

Quick, before November, a THIRD Impeachment !!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

25 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:

For all of the talk about incitement for the events of Jan 6th, this is actually where Trump himself probably had the greatest legal exposure.

 

They have him on tape breaking the law and if they can get testimony on top of that from people close to him, it might make a successful prosecution very likely. 

If he’s on tape breaking the law, why would any additional testimony be required for success?  
 

 

[Doc]

Just now, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

If he’s on tape breaking the law, why would any additional testimony be required for success? 

 

It's just like J6.  They need to investigate things for years upon years just to make sure it's not the farce it appears to be.

[ChiGoose]

1 minute ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

If he’s on tape breaking the law, why would any additional testimony be required for success?  
 

 

Juries are fickle and prosecutions of politicians are tricky.

 

If you are going to come for the king, you best not miss. So you get every single piece of evidence you can to ensure a successful prosecution. 
 

Not to mention prosecutors generally don’t like to bring cases unless they are confident they can win. It would be a dereliction of duty to not get every piece of ammo they can. 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

29 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:

For all of the talk about incitement for the events of Jan 6th, this is actually where Trump himself probably had the greatest legal exposure.

 

They have him on tape breaking the law and if they can get testimony on top of that from people close to him, it might make a successful prosecution very likely. 

This feels like a legal dead end.
 

If he was deluded that he won and in that delusion believed he was just asking for help arriving his delusional outcome what’s the crime??  
 

Being a delusional narcissist? I mean guilty there but that’s not a violation of any law…

[ChiGoose]

1 minute ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

This feels like a legal dead end.
 

If he was deluded that he won and in that delusion believed he was just asking for help arriving his delusional outcome what’s the crime??  
 

Being a delusional narcissist? I mean guilty there but that’s not a violation of any law…

That’s why the call is problematic for him. He tells Raffensberger that he won by more than 400,000 but he just wants Raffensberger to change the tally by 11,000. 
 

So even if he is delusional in thinking he won, he is telling the Secretary of State to certify a number Trump himself believes is incorrect. 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

16 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:

Juries are fickle and prosecutions of politicians are tricky.

 

If you are going to come for the king, you best not miss. So you get every single piece of evidence you can to ensure a successful prosecution. 
 

Not to mention prosecutors generally don’t like to bring cases unless they are confident they can win. It would be a dereliction of duty to not get every piece of ammo they can. 

It was, and has been, your declaration that a crime was clearly committed that caught my eye here.  I still am uncertain why a prosecutor would have any concerns about a conviction if it was so painfully obvious for all the world to see.  On the other hand, in a legitimate criminal investigation you’re obviously correct.  I guess it’s up to each individual to consider the legitimacy of each of these investigations. 
 

It’s funny that you mention not missing when the king is targeted.  While that may have been true, or may be true for the Washington insider crowd, the reality is it doesn’t apply in this case.  The dem Russia play reveals all you need is a good story and a hostile crowd of spectators to kill the king piece by piece by piece.  
 

We’ll see, I guess. 
 

 

[ChiGoose]

32 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

It was, and has been, your declaration that a crime was clearly committed that caught my eye here.  I still am uncertain why a prosecutor would have any concerns about a conviction if it was so painfully obvious for all the world to see.  On the other hand, in a legitimate criminal investigation you’re obviously correct.  I guess it’s up to each individual to consider the legitimacy of each of these investigations. 
 

It’s funny that you mention not missing when the king is targeted.  While that may have been true, or may be true for the Washington insider crowd, the reality is it doesn’t apply in this case.  The dem Russia play reveals all you need is a good story and a hostile crowd of spectators to kill the king piece by piece by piece.  
 

We’ll see, I guess. 
 

 

So, the call itself meets the elements of a crime under Georgia law, meaning you have a prima facie case and could proceed with an indictment. However, because juries are made of people, and people are fickle, you may not feel that the call alone will give you an airtight case.

 

If the call is the smoking gun, then prosecutors also will want to present to the jury the shooter’s partners testifying that they planned the shooting and that they were there and saw the defendant shoot the victim, as well as the victim testifying that they were shot by the defendant.

 

That being said, even if they get all of that, they still may be hesitant to be the first prosecutor to ever charge a former president with a crime (at least as far as I’m aware). 

[SoCal Deek]

Wouldn’t it be way easier to reverse the results of an election by having the legislature boycott an inauguration, lie to the American people about false collusion with a foreign advisory, humiliate the President by tearing up the State of the Union address on national TV, and ram rod not one but two impeachment hearings? Isn’t that the civilized way to do it? 

[ChiGoose]

2 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Wouldn’t it be way easier to reverse the results of an election by having the legislature boycott an inauguration, lie to the American people about false collusion with a foreign advisory, humiliate the President by tearing up the State of the Union address on national TV, and ram rod not one but two impeachment hearings? Isn’t that the civilized way to do it? 

No. 

[SoCal Deek]

12 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:

No. 

You are correct. It takes way way more of my tax dollars to do it your way. 

[ChiGoose]

16 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

You are correct. It takes way way more of my tax dollars to do it your way. 

What is my way?

[SoCal Deek]

59 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:

What is my way?

You can continue to hide behind your unbiased veneer…but that act has been played to death. Next! 

[ChiGoose]

Just now, SoCal Deek said:

You can continue to hide behind your unbiased veneer…but that act has been played to death. Next! 

I am a human, and therefore I have biases. I just don’t know what you are talking about, so I asked for clarification.  

[SoCal Deek]

1 hour ago, ChiGoose said:

I am a human, and therefore I have biases. I just don’t know what you are talking about, so I asked for clarification.  

So that Trump hating rant the other day was just a human thing? Come on Man! 

[Doc]

4 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

This feels like a legal dead end.
 

If he was deluded that he won and in that delusion believed he was just asking for help arriving his delusional outcome what’s the crime??  
 

Being a delusional narcissist? I mean guilty there but that’s not a violation of any law…

 

And if that's a crime...

[ChiGoose]

1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said:

So that Trump hating rant the other day was just a human thing? Come on Man! 

Trump is a narcissistic monster who has no love for this country. 
 

Still waiting on what my way of insurrection is or whatever your bias was ascribing to me. 

[B-Man]

 

Quick reminder:

 

 

Politicians and the press have long been lying to the American public about the 2020 election by asserting that former President Donald Trump and his lawyers attempted to overturn the results of the election based on disproven claims of election fraud. Now Fulton County, Georgia’s prosecutor is pushing the same lies, while also seeking to criminalize legitimate legal challenges to violations of the state’s election law.

 

Yesterday news broke that Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis had obtained grand jury subpoenas to question several of Trump’s election lawyers, including Rudy Giuliani, John Eastman, Jenna Ellis, Cleta Mitchell, and Kenneth Chesebro. The special grand jury convened by Willis also issued subpoenas for South Carolina Sen. Lindsey Graham and attorney and podcast host Jacki Pick Deason.

 

In January of this year, D.A. Willis first requested that the chief judge of the Fulton County Superior Court, Christopher Brasher, impanel a “special grand jury” to assist in Fulton County’s investigation “into any coordinated attempts to unlawfully alter the outcome of the 2020 elections in this state.” Willis claimed a special grand jury was needed because her office had “received information indicating a reasonable probability that the State of Georgia’s administration of elections in 2020, including the State’s election of the President of the United States, was subject to possible criminal disruptions.”

 

What those supposed “possible criminal disruptions” were, she didn’t say. And for good reason: Willis’ investigation represents a political witch hunt seeking retribution against Trump and his lawyers for challenging the Georgia election results.

 

The proof of this reality lies foremost in the fact that in seeking the appointment of a special grand jury, Willis stressed that it would lack the authority to return any indictments but instead “may make recommendations concerning criminal prosecution as it shall see fit.” In other words, the special grand jury will not return an indictment but instead will issue a report.

 

😂

 

Given the D.A.’s one-sided presentation of evidence to the special grand jury, any report will, by design, merely regurgitate what Willis fed the group — garbage in, garbage out. Willis doesn’t need an indictment to prevail in her attempt to paint Trump and his supports as criminals, however, as just leaking information on the subpoenas served that end. In fact, even if the special grand jury recommends criminal charges, watch for Willis to demur for some self-righteous reason, so those accused cannot defend themselves or challenge any bogus legal theories of criminal liability advanced by the district attorney.

 

Further proof that the D.A.’s investigation is a sham comes from her focus on Trump’s January 2, 2021, telephone call with Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger. Democrats and the sycophant media continue to falsely claim that Trump asked Raffensperger to “find” 11,780 votes during that call, even though a transcript of the conversation has been publicly available for over a year and a half. That transcript confirms that during the phone conversation with Raffensperger’s office, Trump and his legal team weren’t pushing Raffensperger to “find” more votes for Trump, but to investigate the evidence Trump’s legal team had accumulated showing illegal votes were cast in the 2020 general election in Georgia well in excess of Biden’s 11,779 vote margin.

 

 

https://thefederalist.com/2022/07/06/like-the-j6-committee-fulton-county-da-works-overtime-to-criminalize-challenges-to-election-law-violations/

 

 

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[wnyguy]

12 minutes ago, B-Man said:

. That transcript confirms that during the phone conversation with Raffensperger’s office, Trump and his legal team weren’t pushing Raffensperger to “find” more votes for Trump, but to investigate the evidence Trump’s legal team had accumulated showing illegal votes were cast in the 2020 general election in Georgia well in excess of Biden’s 11,779 vote margin.

 

 

https://thefederalist.com/2022/07/06/like-the-j6-committee-fulton-county-da-works-overtime-to-criminalize-challenges-to-election-law-violations/

 

 

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Anyone with two working brain cels know the above is the case. To believe otherwise is a suspension from truth and reality. 

These investigations are nothing but McCarthyism all over again

[ChiGoose]

4 minutes ago, wnyguy said:

Anyone with two working brain cels know the above is the case. To believe otherwise is a suspension from truth and reality. 

These investigations are nothing but McCarthyism all over again

 

Except that Trump had already been told by his DoJ, lawyers and campaign that the claims of fraud in Georgia were false. And then on the call, he said that he won by more than 400,000 votes but he wanted the Secretary of State to certify the election by giving him only around 11,000 more votes.

 

So, he should have known that he was wrong. And even if he didn't believe it, he told the Secretary of State to certify a number that Trump himself believed to be false.

[Tiberius]

25 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

Quick reminder:

 

 

Politicians and the press have long been lying to the American public about the 2020 election by asserting that former President Donald Trump and his lawyers attempted to overturn the results of the election based on disproven claims of election fraud.  lations/

 

 

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A party built on lies and lying 

[B-Man]

15 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:

 

Except that Trump had already been told by his DoJ, lawyers and campaign that the claims of fraud in Georgia were false. And then on the call, he said that he won by more than 400,000 votes but he wanted the Secretary of State to certify the election by giving him only around 11,000 more votes.

 

So, he should have known that he was wrong. And even if he didn't believe it, he told the Secretary of State to certify a number that Trump himself believed to be false.

 

None of that is a "crime"

 

 

 

 

 

22 minutes ago, wnyguy said:

Anyone with two working brain cels know the above is the case. To believe otherwise is a suspension from truth and reality. 

 

 

And here is proof.

 

14 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

 

 

[wnyguy]

17 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:

 

Except that Trump had already been told by his DoJ, lawyers and campaign that the claims of fraud in Georgia were false. And then on the call, he said that he won by more than 400,000 votes but he wanted the Secretary of State to certify the election by giving him only around 11,000 more votes.

 

So, he should have known that he was wrong. And even if he didn't believe it, he told the Secretary of State to certify a number that Trump himself believed to be false.

Debating anything with you is like debating with Tibs and BillsTime, it's simply a waste of time and effort. Trump knew, along with countless Americans that the election was a fraud and illegitimate. 

[BillStime]

So many confident legal scholars in the house - lolz

[ChiGoose]

5 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

None of that is a "crime"

 

Actually, it is. Under GA Code § 21-2-604, it is a crime to request that someone engage in a crime as outlined in Georgia election law.

 

This includes GA Code § 21-2-562 which states (among other things) that it is a crime to put any false entry into the voting tally.

 

So, if Trump had won by more than 400,000 as he claimed, but Raffensberger only added 11,000 votes to the tally, then Raffensberger would have committed a crime under 21-2-562 because he put in a fraudulent number.

 

Therefore, by asking Raffensberger to do so, Trump himself violated 21-2-604 by requesting or soliciting that Raffensberger commit a crime under Georgia election law.

[Tiberius]

37 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

None of that is a "crime"

 

 

 

 

 

 

And here is proof.

 

 

He tried to interfere with a government process. Why do you defend a person who literally tried ruining the constitution ?!

 

are you a criminal? 

32 minutes ago, wnyguy said:

Debating anything with you is like debating with Tibs and BillsTime, it's simply a waste of time and effort. Trump knew, along with countless Americans that the election was a fraud and illegitimate. 

Yes, because you want to lie. Your political party lies, you you follow their lead 

[SoCal Deek]

12 hours ago, ChiGoose said:

Trump is a narcissistic monster who has no love for this country. 
 

Still waiting on what my way of insurrection is or whatever your bias was ascribing to me. 

Well at least you're being honest with yourself and the others on this board.  We can drop the independent arbiter of facts pretense.

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

1 hour ago, B-Man said:

 

Quick reminder:

 

 

Politicians and the press have long been lying to the American public about the 2020 election by asserting that former President Donald Trump and his lawyers attempted to overturn the results of the election based on disproven claims of election fraud. Now Fulton County, Georgia’s prosecutor is pushing the same lies, while also seeking to criminalize legitimate legal challenges to violations of the state’s election law.

 

Yesterday news broke that Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis had obtained grand jury subpoenas to question several of Trump’s election lawyers, including Rudy Giuliani, John Eastman, Jenna Ellis, Cleta Mitchell, and Kenneth Chesebro. The special grand jury convened by Willis also issued subpoenas for South Carolina Sen. Lindsey Graham and attorney and podcast host Jacki Pick Deason.

 

In January of this year, D.A. Willis first requested that the chief judge of the Fulton County Superior Court, Christopher Brasher, impanel a “special grand jury” to assist in Fulton County’s investigation “into any coordinated attempts to unlawfully alter the outcome of the 2020 elections in this state.” Willis claimed a special grand jury was needed because her office had “received information indicating a reasonable probability that the State of Georgia’s administration of elections in 2020, including the State’s election of the President of the United States, was subject to possible criminal disruptions.”

 

What those supposed “possible criminal disruptions” were, she didn’t say. And for good reason: Willis’ investigation represents a political witch hunt seeking retribution against Trump and his lawyers for challenging the Georgia election results.

 

The proof of this reality lies foremost in the fact that in seeking the appointment of a special grand jury, Willis stressed that it would lack the authority to return any indictments but instead “may make recommendations concerning criminal prosecution as it shall see fit.” In other words, the special grand jury will not return an indictment but instead will issue a report.

 

😂

 

Given the D.A.’s one-sided presentation of evidence to the special grand jury, any report will, by design, merely regurgitate what Willis fed the group — garbage in, garbage out. Willis doesn’t need an indictment to prevail in her attempt to paint Trump and his supports as criminals, however, as just leaking information on the subpoenas served that end. In fact, even if the special grand jury recommends criminal charges, watch for Willis to demur for some self-righteous reason, so those accused cannot defend themselves or challenge any bogus legal theories of criminal liability advanced by the district attorney.

 

Further proof that the D.A.’s investigation is a sham comes from her focus on Trump’s January 2, 2021, telephone call with Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger. Democrats and the sycophant media continue to falsely claim that Trump asked Raffensperger to “find” 11,780 votes during that call, even though a transcript of the conversation has been publicly available for over a year and a half. That transcript confirms that during the phone conversation with Raffensperger’s office, Trump and his legal team weren’t pushing Raffensperger to “find” more votes for Trump, but to investigate the evidence Trump’s legal team had accumulated showing illegal votes were cast in the 2020 general election in Georgia well in excess of Biden’s 11,779 vote margin.

 

 

https://thefederalist.com/2022/07/06/like-the-j6-committee-fulton-county-da-works-overtime-to-criminalize-challenges-to-election-law-violations/

 

 

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Lindsey G says "...Politics..." and seems not at all fazed by the latest breaking news.  I'm sure the others will follow suit. 

https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/3547213-graham-plans-to-challenge-subpoena-this-is-all-politics/

 

 

[Doc]

3 hours ago, ChiGoose said:

 

Except that Trump had already been told by his DoJ, lawyers and campaign that the claims of fraud in Georgia were false. And then on the call, he said that he won by more than 400,000 votes but he wanted the Secretary of State to certify the election by giving him only around 11,000 more votes.

 

So, he should have known that he was wrong. And even if he didn't believe it, he told the Secretary of State to certify a number that Trump himself believed to be false.

 

Yes because so many things that involved politics that we were told were truth or lies were later found out to be correct.

[The Frankish Reich]

3 hours ago, B-Man said:

Further proof that the D.A.’s investigation is a sham comes from her focus on Trump’s January 2, 2021, telephone call with Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger. Democrats and the sycophant media continue to falsely claim that Trump asked Raffensperger to “find” 11,780 votes during that call, even though a transcript of the conversation has been publicly available for over a year and a half.

Yeah, let’s read the damn transcript before accusing Trump of telling a Sec of State to “find” him some extra votes!!

 

Oops, on second thought:

”All I want to do is this. I just want to FIND 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have (sic; he seems to mean “one more than the count shows we lost by”) because we won the state.”

 

Damn liberal media, making up stuff like saying that Trump asked the Sec of State to go out and “find” 11,780 more Trump votes!

[BillStime]

Party of law and order - NOT

 

Why are these pigs always above the law?

 

 

[Westside]

On 7/5/2022 at 5:47 PM, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

If he’s on tape breaking the law, why would any additional testimony be required for success?  
 

 

They make ***** up and claim it’s real. Pretty pathetic of the deranged left.