TSW Mock Draft Buffalo Bills Poll - Who should the Bills take at 89? Top 2 remaining ***Poll will close at 10p est

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, glazeduck said:

Yeah Wan'Dale occurred to me too, but with McKenzie reupped, I think the need for a gadgety guy is less likely than another outside guy. He's interesting for sure though.

 

Yes I'm not saying I'd have picked him here for the Bills necessarily.... agree with your reasoning but just in terms of thinking about what the sort of options are if the Bills leave receiver this late. They have to go round 1 or round 2 IMO. 

[glazeduck]

2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Yes I'm not saying I'd have picked him here for the Bills necessarily.... agree with your reasoning but just in terms of thinking about what the sort of options are if the Bills leave receiver this late. They have to go round 1 or round 2 IMO. 

Barring something crazy like a big trade up for a difference maker (or a vet), 100% agree.

[JaCrispy]

I hate the options...Metchie does nothing for me...very milk toast ....Rather take a chance on Thornton...👍

Edited April 6, 2022 by JaCrispy

[Magnum Force]

1 hour ago, glazeduck said:

Success at the WR position is about almost everything BUT 40 speed, so look well past that. It's not something you can completely ignore, but things route running and the mental aspect of setting up defenders on routes, agility, hands, concentration, catch radius, actual on-field performance are all vastly more important than how fast a guy runs in a straight line across an arbitrary distance in his underwear...

 

To that end, David Bell feels like he should absolutely be on this list and is not, which is a shame, I'd take him over Metchie.

I agree and know that about 40 time.  But I would rather draft something we don’t already have at WR which is a burner that can stretch the field. In this scenario I would rather draft Walker and take Thornton Round 4 or maybe 5.  

Edited April 6, 2022 by Magnum Force

[RyanC883]

2 hours ago, Virgil said:

Please vote on who you would like to see the Bills take at #89.

 

These are the players available based upon our TSW Mock Draft 1.0.

 

Players were selected based upon the remaining top 90 rated players according to CBS Sports (ESPN isn't updated).  I did not include QB or RB based upon current roster and previous picks and roster.

 

The poll will remain open until we have 100 votes or a clear winner

 

I’ld go Nick Cross.  Will provide secondary depth and be a capable replacement in the post Poyer-Hyde era. 

[JohnBonhamRocks]

Just gotta say I hope this is NOT how the Bills draft goes with regard to the specific players chosen. 

[Alphadawg7]

54 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

We barely punted at all in 2020, and won a playoff game in 2021 with no punts whatsoever. I love you, I know this is all fun and games, but a line needs to be drawn somewhere and YOU ARE CROSSING IT, SON!

 

 

 

hahaha, hey I deserve it, pile on.  Cant believe I am even suggesting a kicker before the 6th round.  I deserve to be slapped by Will Smith.  But I still think the logic is sound haha.  

Edited April 6, 2022 by Alphadawg7

[glazeduck]

29 minutes ago, Magnum Force said:

I agree and know that about 40 time.  But I would rather draft something we don’t already have at WR which is a burner that can stretch the field. In this scenario I would rather draft Walker and take Thornton Round 4 or maybe 5.  

Totally fair, I just think our staff -- and the league in general -- is learning that separation and the ability to get open is far more important than being big or fast.

[GunnerBill]

Just now, glazeduck said:

Totally fair, I just think our staff -- and the league in general -- is learning that separation and the ability to get open is far more important than being big or fast.

 

1. Get open. 2. Catch the ball. 

[Magnum Force]

You can probably break this down to Metchie vs Walker.

Walker is becoming a popular name in these polls.

[Virgil]

Edited to the top 3.  If the player you voted for is gone, please vote again 

[Warcodered]

42 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

1. Get open. 2. Catch the ball. 

 

[BillsFanForever19]

Matt Araiza is one of the top 3 options and getting votes?

 

Holy crap. I like him and I'd be down for taking him. But i'm not taking a Punter in the 4th, let alone the 3rd. That's ridiculous. Especially when you consider that he's not a complete talent.

 

He's got an elite leg, for sure. But it's not like he has that and has complete control over it and is known for regular coffin pins. He basically just booms it, touchbacks be damned. That's fine when we're pinned in our own red zone. But that's not happening often.

[Virgil]

1 minute ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

Matt Araiza is one of the top 3 options and getting votes?

 

Holy crap. I like him and I'd be down for taking him. But i'm not taking a Punter in the 4th, let alone the 3rd. That's ridiculous. Especially when you consider that he's not a complete talent.

 

He's got an elite leg, for sure. But it's not like he has that and has complete control over it and is known for regular coffin pins. He basically just booms it, touchbacks be damned. That's fine when we're pinned in our own red zone. But that's not happening often.

He wasn’t top 3, but I couldn’t help myself 

[pennstate10]

2 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

Of those choices I'm taking Cross.  

I wouldn’t pick any of those three. 
 

Metchie is JAG

Walker is talented but seemed unmotivated at PSU. Certainly never played up to his talent level. 
Wouldn’t take a punter in the 3rd ever. I think Stout from PSU is a better punter than Azaiza. Higher percent of punts inside 20, allowed about one tenth the return yardage that Azaiza did. 
 

Cross is very good, smart player, always around the ball. Third might be too high,but a better choice than the other 3. 

[MrEpsYtown]

So I understand what Walker brings to the table and what he provides. 
 

What does Metchie really bring? 
 

As we matriculate through this draft, you can kind of see why someone is going to take Ariaza in the 3rd. Especially all of these teams with multiple picks and all these comp picks at the end of the round. I voted Walker, but I’d rather have the best punter in the league than John Metchie 

Edited April 6, 2022 by MrEpsYtown

[hondo in seattle]

I don't know if Walker will be any good in the NFL. 

 

But I went with the offensive linemen because our quarter-billion-dollar man needs better bodyguards.

[Magnum Force]

37 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

So I understand what Walker brings to the table and what he provides. 
 

What does Metchie really bring? 
 

As we matriculate through this draft, you can kind of see why someone is going to take Ariaza in the 3rd. Especially all of these teams with multiple picks and all these comp picks at the end of the round. I voted Walker, but I’d rather have the best punter in the league than John Metchie 

Having possibly the best punter in the league for the next 5 to 10 years wouldn’t be a bad thing at all. 

[Virgil]

13 minutes ago, Magnum Force said:

Having possibly the best punter in the league for the next 5 to 10 years wouldn’t be a bad thing at all. 

 

If he is as great as they say, I'd be completely fine with taking him in the 4th round.  The 3rd is tough because I expect a Day 1 starter on offense or defense in the first 3 rounds

[Virgil]

The Punter is gone.  Those 10 votes weren't going to win and should go towards the real contenders

[JDubya76]

I’ll take Walker, Mehhhh-tchi is underwhelming to me in that spot.

[Philo]

3 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I have just noticed that I think Wan'Dale Robinson hasn't gone yet? I get it he is a bit of a gadget guy and he is tiny but I have him graded slightly ahead of Metchie too because his elusiveness with ball in hand gives me something I can hang my hat on as an elite trait. 

 

So my board would actually be:

 

1. Robinson;

2. Metchie;

3. Ross;

4. Thornton

 

I do think that is a realistic sort of board the Bills could face if they leave receiver to this spot. Similar to how I think round 2 is a bit of a dead space for corners I think round 3 is a bit of dead space for receivers. I have lots of guys I'd take in the 1st or 2nd and a lot of guys I'd be comfortable with day 3..... but round 3 I only have those 4 plus Austin and Shakir both of whom have already gone in this mock. 

 

I picked Shakir for the Bears earlier this round and am curious about your take on him. I always respect your opinion on prospects as you clearly do a lot of studying. Admittedly, I know little past the top prospects as I don't take the time to do much research of my own outside of these mocks. I was deciding between Shakir and Metchie when I made the pick so I'd like to know your opinion of them in comparison to each other. 

 

FWIW, I agree that I'd rather the Bills draft a WR in Round 1 or 2 as this grouping in Round 3 seems much less appealing.

 

[MrEpsYtown]

1 hour ago, Virgil said:

 

If he is as great as they say, I'd be completely fine with taking him in the 4th round.  The 3rd is tough because I expect a Day 1 starter on offense or defense in the first 3 rounds

I agree. But neither Walker or Metchie would be close to starting for this team. I am saying, based on the strength of this draft and the options that are on the board right now, I would really consider the punter. Call me crazy. 

[Magnum Force]

Another close one….going down to the wire.

Edited April 7, 2022 by Magnum Force

[Virgil]

This is crazy.  2 votes separate the two with only 2 minutes left

[GunnerBill]

6 hours ago, Philo said:

 

I picked Shakir for the Bears earlier this round and am curious about your take on him. I always respect your opinion on prospects as you clearly do a lot of studying. Admittedly, I know little past the top prospects as I don't take the time to do much research of my own outside of these mocks. I was deciding between Shakir and Metchie when I made the pick so I'd like to know your opinion of them in comparison to each other. 

 

FWIW, I agree that I'd rather the Bills draft a WR in Round 1 or 2 as this grouping in Round 3 seems much less appealing.

 

 

I have Metchie graded slightly higher of the two because I think he is a bit more rounded as a receiver, Shakir is a tad gadgety but he is not a little gadget guy at 6ft and he runs well without having that quick twitch. I think he went in the right sort of range. 

[NewEra]

13 hours ago, MrEpsYtown said:

I agree. But neither Walker or Metchie would be close to starting for this team. I am saying, based on the strength of this draft and the options that are on the board right now, I would really consider the punter. Call me crazy. 

It’s not crazy.  Stupid is more like it.  No offense.

 

Taking a punter over a position player in rd 3 just because the position player wouldn’t be starting in year one is……stupid. What if that player were to start in year 2-4?  We’ve punted 41 and 52 times respectively the last 2 seasons.  We’re only getting better imo.

 

wait til Brown or Dawkins has to miss a few games and we have Tommy Doyle out there starting because we didn’t draft a better swing tackle. 

 

31.3% touchbacks on pooch punts is 🤮….and most of our punts will be of the pooch variety due to our QBs ability to move the chains. 
 

3rd rd punter…..with Josh Allen as our QB.  I’d rather not have a punter and go for it on every down than you draft a punter that high. 
 

 

Edited April 7, 2022 by NewEra

[MrEpsYtown]

1 hour ago, NewEra said:

It’s not crazy.  Stupid is more like it.  No offense.

 

Taking a punter over a position player in rd 3 just because the position player wouldn’t be starting in year one is……stupid. What if that player were to start in year 2-4?  We’ve punted 41 and 52 times respectively the last 2 seasons.  We’re only getting better imo.

 

wait til Brown or Dawkins has to miss a few games and we have Tommy Doyle out there starting because we didn’t draft a better swing tackle. 

 

31.3% touchbacks on pooch punts is 🤮….and most of our punts will be of the pooch variety due to our QBs ability to move the chains. 
 

3rd rd punter…..with Josh Allen as our QB.  I’d rather not have a punter and go for it on every down than you draft a punter that high. 
 

 

 

No offense taken. People have opinions. To me, with the choices available, it makes sense. I get what you are saying, but there is nothing that I am seeing that is telling me Walker is any better than Doyle. What does Metchie really bring to the table that is that much more interesting than the depth guys in house to justify using a third? 

 

With our offense, and defense, a punter who can flip the field, honestly, could make the team impossible to stop. Teams already have to play catchup with the Bills offense, if they have to go a longer way it makes the team that much more dangerous. 

 

Let's see what happens, but I think Araiza is going in the third. 

[NewEra]

13 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

 

No offense taken. People have opinions. To me, with the choices available, it makes sense. I get what you are saying, but there is nothing that I am seeing that is telling me Walker is any better than Doyle. What does Metchie really bring to the table that is that much more interesting than the depth guys in house to justify using a third? 

 

With our offense, and defense, a punter who can flip the field, honestly, could make the team impossible to stop. Teams already have to play catchup with the Bills offense, if they have to go a longer way it makes the team that much more dangerous. 

 

Let's see what happens, but I think Araiza is going in the third. 

If the only choices were Walker/Metchie and araiza….then I see what you’re saying if you don’t like Walker or Metchie.  But irl, Beane will have much larger group to choose from and I’m confidant that he would prioritize depth over a punter.  

doyle was an abomination @ OT and he’s currently our backup RT and LT…..our backup OG and center is Greg Mancz….idk anything about him.  Losing Klein is big imo.  Dotson was meh, but capable I suppose.   We have zero depth @ corner.  Safety depth is relatively unknown as Poyer and Hyde never leave the field.  We’d love for Johnson and Hamlin to be good backups, but we don’t know.  Kumerow is currently our 3rd boundary WR behind Davis and Diggs.  Sweeney isn’t an NFL TE.  
 

We drafted Spencer Brown in rd 3 last year.  Now a starter.  Dawson Knox in rd 3, gabe in rd 4, H phillips rd 3, Taron rd 4.  All starters.  These are the picks that we really want to hit on to keep this domination train rolling.  Replacing by higher priced starters with emerging mid rd picks.  It’s worked well for us to this point and I hope Beane doesn’t stray for a punter.  

 

Araiza kicks 1/3 of his pooches into the end zone.  With our O and our D, we aren’t going to be punting from very many bad spots imo.  I don’t think he should be on anyones board in rd 3.   

 

[BADOLBILZ]

40 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

 With our offense, and defense, a punter who can flip the field, honestly, could make the team impossible to stop.

 

 

I think you may have paralysis by late stage draft over-analysis here.......

 

 

.......have a process and trust it.   Like you do wrt not drafting interior OL early(that's a good one, IMO).

 

When you start looking at the draft like players in late round 3 are really going to tip the scales in the upcoming season.......it's easy to rationalize a lot of decisions that will look laughable in hindsight.    

 

[MrEpsYtown]

43 minutes ago, NewEra said:

If the only choices were Walker/Metchie and araiza….then I see what you’re saying if you don’t like Walker or Metchie.  But irl, Beane will have much larger group to choose from and I’m confidant that he would prioritize depth over a punter.  

doyle was an abomination @ OT and he’s currently our backup RT and LT…..our backup OG and center is Greg Mancz….idk anything about him.  Losing Klein is big imo.  Dotson was meh, but capable I suppose.   We have zero depth @ corner.  Safety depth is relatively unknown as Poyer and Hyde never leave the field.  We’d love for Johnson and Hamlin to be good backups, but we don’t know.  Kumerow is currently our 3rd boundary WR behind Davis and Diggs.  Sweeney isn’t an NFL TE.  
 

We drafted Spencer Brown in rd 3 last year.  Now a starter.  Dawson Knox in rd 3, gabe in rd 4, H phillips rd 3, Taron rd 4.  All starters.  These are the picks that we really want to hit on to keep this domination train rolling.  Replacing by higher priced starters with emerging mid rd picks.  It’s worked well for us to this point and I hope Beane doesn’t stray for a punter.  

 

Araiza kicks 1/3 of his pooches into the end zone.  With our O and our D, we aren’t going to be punting from very many bad spots imo.  I don’t think he should be on anyones board in rd 3.   

 

 

I appreciate the take for sure. I just don't love this draft very much. Feels very meh to me, and as we go through the mock draft it feels even more meh. I do think that will add cheap veteran depth at those positions. 

[NewEra]

2 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

 

I appreciate the take for sure. I just don't love this draft very much. Feels very meh to me, and as we go through the mock draft it feels even more meh. I do think that will add cheap veteran depth at those positions. 

I hear ya.  I don’t love the draft either.  And you know I wasn’t calling you stupid with my original post.  I just think taking a punter in the third is a terrible idea for every team.

 

regarding cheap depth, I agree. We’ll add some.  But none of them have the potential to become starters and allow us to move on from players making lots of cash.  That’s the real value in these rounds imo.  The depth is important, for sure….but what’s so much more important is drafting players that will be solid starters for 3-4 years while making 1M.  We’ve had good success in that regard 

[MrEpsYtown]

1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

I think you may have paralysis by late stage draft over-analysis here.......

 

 

.......have a process and trust it.   Like you do wrt not drafting interior OL early(that's a good one, IMO).

 

When you start looking at the draft like players in late round 3 are really going to tip the scales in the upcoming season.......it's easy to rationalize a lot of decisions that will look laughable in hindsight.    

 

Oh yeah there is definitely much too much space in my brain being spent on draft stuff. There is some truth to that for sure. 
 

48 minutes ago, NewEra said:

I hear ya.  I don’t love the draft either.  And you know I wasn’t calling you stupid with my original post.  I just think taking a punter in the third is a terrible idea for every team.

 

regarding cheap depth, I agree. We’ll add some.  But none of them have the potential to become starters and allow us to move on from players making lots of cash.  That’s the real value in these rounds imo.  The depth is important, for sure….but what’s so much more important is drafting players that will be solid starters for 3-4 years while making 1M.  We’ve had good success in that regard 

 

Totally get it. And I know what you meant there. I am interested to see how this draft might go in the middle rounds. Seems like it could go in a million different directions