PromoTheRobot Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 1 hour ago, oldmanfan said: Back in the day many criticized Overdorf when we didn’t keep guys or sign FAs. But I always believed he was just carrying out what the cheap SOB Littman wanted. But Overdorf as the cap guy (along with Beane of course) now has really done a heckuva job this offseason. Props to him. Good thing we didn't clean house like everyone wanted. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boater Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 12 minutes ago, The Wiz said: 25 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said: Shout, shout, let it all out. These are the things I can do without. What a classic. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 39 minutes ago, Beast said: Funny how you think it was Littman. Unless Ralph Wilson's alias was Littman you are wrong. You just proved opposite. You are always wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 44 minutes ago, Beast said: Funny how you think it was Littman. Unless Ralph Wilson's alias was Littman you are wrong. I think it was pretty well known back then that Littman was very influential with Wilson on how to spend, it rarely worked out well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boater Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 8 minutes ago, klos63 said: I think it was pretty well known back then that Littman was very influential with Wilson on how to spend, it rarely worked out well. Was it Overdorf or Littman the problem? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAinLack. Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 37 minutes ago, boater said: What a classic. Love "Everybody wants to rule the World". 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 1 hour ago, Georgie said: With a salary cap,what do you mean "letting him and Beane spend"? Are you referring to paying bonuses up- front? It's the same amount of money overall. That can get you into a bad cap situation but Beane is keeping it under cmder control. Ralph was a "cash to the cap" owner. Restructuring allows for the base salary to be lowered and the player gets money up front that's amortized over the remaining length of the contract. Pegula's are willing to allow that, Ralph wouldn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 33 minutes ago, boater said: Was it Overdorf or Littman the problem? Depends on which problem. Overdorf was responsible making sure Bills were covered putting clauses in contact if players did something crazy like drag racing on county streets. Lots of agents pulled wool over his eyes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted March 24, 2022 Author Share Posted March 24, 2022 39 minutes ago, boater said: Was it Overdorf or Littman the problem? I always felt Littman was poisonous to the organization 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 52 minutes ago, boater said: Was it Overdorf or Littman the problem? almost positive it was Littman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 2 hours ago, Captain_Quint said: Ralph was cheap. Ralph is dead the this is old Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah John Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 The tricks used to stay under the salary cap often involve more money going out early on, with that upfront payment counting toward all the years of the contract. Millions of dollars of future salaries get converted to bonuses that get paid NOW. Doing that requires the Pegulas to approve large payments, well above the salary cap in most years. I've never seen any indication that Beane's hands are tied -- the Pegulas are letting him spend spend spend if that's what it takes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 3 hours ago, BringMetheHeadofLeonLett said: Fair enough. It does look like they're pulling out every tool in the 🧰 this year, and we don't look TOO terrible for future years. They will get choked when they have to pay Diggs, Knox, Edmunds and Oliver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 3 hours ago, oldmanfan said: Back in the day many criticized Overdorf when we didn’t keep guys or sign FAs. But I always believed he was just carrying out what the cheap SOB Littman wanted. But Overdorf as the cap guy (along with Beane of course) now has really done a heckuva job this offseason. Props to him. Yeah, but I think Littman was just doing what RW instructed him to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eee1776 Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 Speaking of cap, is there anything they can do with Edmonds cap at 12 mil plus? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 5 minutes ago, eee1776 said: Speaking of cap, is there anything they can do with Edmonds cap at 12 mil plus? It's a fifth year option. Unless they trade him, there's nothing you can do with that, I'm pretty sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 (edited) 12 hours ago, MJS said: It's a fifth year option. Unless they trade him, there's nothing you can do with that, I'm pretty sure. Correct, unless they do a new deal with extension Edited March 25, 2022 by YoloinOhio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessAccepted Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 18 hours ago, Captain_Quint said: Ralph was cheap. Ralph wasn't perfect as few of us are. There's several things that I can point to as weaknesses with him and his ownership of the club. That said there are so many more positives than those. I don't think the AFL would have survived without him and there would be no Buffalo Bills today. I for one am grateful to Ralph and now the Pegula's for keeping this team in Buffalo and resisting the pressure to leave for a larger market. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 16 hours ago, boater said: Was it Overdorf or Littman the problem? The problem was always Ralph. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 What happened during the Ralph Wilson years is over. All that matters now is Brandon Beane is the GM and he sets the parameters in which the FO works. Overdorf works under those guidelines and does a great job doing so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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