KC Chiefs Kingdom Article: Eric Bieniemy Ruined the AFCC

[somnus00]

14 hours ago, Richard Noggin said:

The uniformity of the narrative presented (ZERO concession or complexity), and the absolute lack of concrete attribution for ALL evidence submitted, adds up to a polemic hit-piece that reads more like a conspiracy theory than the whistle-blowing reportage it wants us to see.

 

Maybe the unnamed authors are on to something, but this published compilation of hearsay, conjecture, and innuendo isn't a convincing presentation.

*placing the dictionary and thesaurus back on my desk*

 

I concur.

 

Intelligent response. I think we're all a bit smarter for having read it.

[Best Williams Available]

8 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

The story has apparently been "deleted by author".

 

However it has been copied here, if folks insist.  Click on the "spoiler" button

 

https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?s=60f98814f0882458c4b46e4e5dcd0abb&p=16149947&postcount=278

 

To me it reads on a par with some of the Good People on this board who insist on bizarro world "grudge" ideas for McDermott refusing to let various offensive players play (or play more): Bates, McKenzie and other fine conspiracy-based theories

 

One of my favorite quotes:

 

I read that, and I see it as highly complimentary.  I imagine Bills players and coaches saying very similar things about Josh.  He may be "Big Goofy" or "Big Kid" (Dawkins, Feliciano) off the field, but they all say he is super-competitive about anything there is to be competitive about, be it basketball or table tennis or of course, Football.   They don't use the word "prick" in public, but probably would in private where those kind of insults can be "love talk" between friends along with "#######" "*****" "*****" or whatever the vocabulary of choice in that circle may be.

THE AUTHOR OF THIS ARTICLE SEES THE ABOVE QUOTE AS NEGATIVE!!!!!

 

There's nothing playful or joking about that quote, but you have to have a bizarro conspiracy mindset to view it as an expression of dislike.

I agree about the quote. When you have to manufacture drama to prove your point you never had credibility to begin with.

[Southern_Bills]

Mahomes played terrible in the second half,  period the end.

 

Actually made me mad, why couldn't he implode against the Bills? Instead Burrow gets all the credit for doing nothing special.

 

 

P.S. yes I'm still bitter about the game.

[GunnerBill]

19 hours ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

The best part to me is the "headset conversation". 

 

Reid: “No, run this”

Bieniemy: “What the f---.”

Kafka: “We’re blowing this game.”

Mahomes: “Call the f------ play or I will.”

 

So, for some reason EB...who lives right next to Andy on the sideline had to have this exchange over a headset. And Kafka had to chime in for....reasons. Then the best part....somehow some way Mahomes was on the headset....didn't think the QB had a mic in the helmet to communicate back. And then the writer of the article I guess heard it and could report verbatim what was said. Maybe he picked up the conversation on his police scanner? Not sure. 

 

Yea the QB headset does not have a mic. 

4 hours ago, Southern_Bills said:

Mahomes played terrible in the second half,  period the end.

 

Actually made me mad, why couldn't he implode against the Bills? Instead Burrow gets all the credit for doing nothing special.

 

 

And suddenly the Bengal defense is the '85 Bears too. The same people who criticise the Bills D for being cautious laud the Bengals for dropping 8 in coverage. I give the Bengals some credit for trying something different but the reality is Mahomes imploded. 

[Mailman]

23 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

Nothing more than a Hit piece. 

1.  His criminal background is an issue 

2.  Unlike this Hit piece wants to claim this is Andy Reid’s offense and calling. 
3.  Getting out of the Shadow of Reid can be difficult on the offensive side. 
4.  Also right wrong or indifferent Daboll gets credit for Josh’s development. Bienemy doesn’t it was Reid with Mahomes 

3. Getting out of Reid's ACTUAL shadow must be difficult. Period. 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

2 minutes ago, Mailman said:

3. Getting out of Reid's ACTUAL shadow must be difficult. Period. 

[zow2]

8 hours ago, Southern_Bills said:

Mahomes played terrible in the second half,  period the end.

 

Actually made me mad, why couldn't he implode against the Bills? Instead Burrow gets all the credit for doing nothing special.

 

 

P.S. yes I'm still bitter about the game.

 

Mahomes owns the Bills in playoff games (at least so far in his career).   No signs of implosion against the Buffalo D. 

 

I feel like 2020 we shoulda beaten them as well.  Mahomes had a bad ankle in that game and KC had some injury issues.  

 

Bills D has just been a huge disappointment in both Arrowhead losses.  

[CSBill]

17 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

He has been pointed at as an example, "why isn't this guy getting more looks, why ISN'T he the hot coordinator?"

 

It turns out there are several reasons, starting with a "rap sheet" as a college and NFL player and then young coach.  "That was Then, This is Now", but some of that stuff would honestly make a conservative owner give his candidacy a "side eye" unless he were being widely hailed as an offensive genius.....

 

....about that, there's a general perception that Reid is the main driving force behind the KC offense.  It may be true, it may not be true... and if it is, it begs the question why anyone who has ever had a cup of coffee with McVay or Kyle Shanahan gets the jobs

 

Then there's the failure of Matt Nagy in Chicago

 

Or there could be some other factor at play (which has entire other threads devoted to it)

 

 

 

Yeah, it seems obvious. His name is always mentioned, but ne never gets to that "serious" consideration level. There are flaws, probably a combibation of all the things you mention. I don't know him, so this is not fair, but the original article of this thrread basically is saying he is just not a very nice or people-skills smart human being. All the other issues could be overcome if you have the personality and social (emotional) intelligence to handle them well. Apparently, he does not.

[SoTier]

On 2/17/2022 at 1:20 AM, Best Williams Available said:

https://ckedboard.medium.com/how-a-season-long-rift-between-patrick-mahomes-and-eric-bieniemy-ruined-the-afc-championship-35481f116513

 

This makes me happy (most of us) aren’t crazy and too high on our ourselves or our imaginary sway with OBD.

 

i think this is nothing more than a thinly veiled attempt by some super fans to blame Bieniemy to get him fired. The first third to half provides “context and insight” and tries to prove insider info, but comes off as reaching, unbelievable, and tin foil hat crazy to me. Sure some of these things may have happened, but it affected Pat so much he was unable to throw a football for two halves?

 

Anyway, relish in another teams misery.

 

Disappointed fans like to find scapegoats.   We've seen the same BS here vis-a-vis blaming Leslie Frazier for the Bills loss to KC.  Some people simply don't "get it" that getting to the Super Bowl, much less winning it, has a lot to do with luck.  Sometimes that's flukey plays, sometimes key injuries, sometimes mistakes, and sometimes it's just somebody coming up with a perfect game plan or a perfect play that's executed perfectly (ie, the Philly Special).

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

48 minutes ago, SoTier said:

...or a perfect play that's executed perfectly (ie, the Philly Special).

Beats years of New England giving the rest of the league a Boston Steamer. 😳

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[Buffalo03]

It says article removed by author when I click the link 

[BarleyNY]

20 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:

It says article removed by author when I click the link 

Guessing the Chiefs and/or NFL saw to that.  Regardless of its veracity of its facts or conclusions, it was not flattering.  No way do they want something like this getting wide spread exposure.  Gotta protect the shield. 

[BillsFan4]

It was an interesting read but I’m skeptical about some of the claims. It seems like more of a hit piece against Bienemy than anything else.

 

Like Bienemy not taking any player feedback and calling plays without input.

We literally saw the players have input on the play calling in that Travis Kelce mic-ed up video against the Bills in the playoffs. Kelce gave coaches input on the sidelines + Mahomes out on the field and it resulted in the chiefs tying the game with 13 seconds left.

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

4 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said:

It was an interesting read but I’m skeptical about some of the claims. It seems like more of a hit piece against Bienemy than anything else.

 

Like Bienemy not taking any player feedback and calling plays without input.

We literally saw the players have input on the play calling in that Travis Kelce mic-ed up video against the Bills in the playoffs. Kelce gave coaches input on the sidelines + Mahomes out on the field and it resulted in the chiefs tying the game with 13 seconds left.

[BillsFan4]

 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

4 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said:

 

'Unpublished'?  That's unpossible.  Once it's published, it can be 'removed', 'retracted', 'taken down'.  'Unpublished' is more like Diggs' diary from February 14. 😁

Edited February 18, 2022 by Ridgewaycynic2013

[Aussie Joe]

This is a strange development…

 

They should have just posted “ we f’d up” instead of all that crap..

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

1 minute ago, Aussie Joe said:

This is a strange development…

 

They should have just posted “ we f’d up” instead of all that crap..

Same person that wrote Khan's statement on Pederson's hiring must have written that. 😁

[Hapless Bills Fan]

2 hours ago, CSBill said:

Yeah, it seems obvious. His name is always mentioned, but ne never gets to that "serious" consideration level. There are flaws, probably a combibation of all the things you mention. I don't know him, so this is not fair, but the original article of this thrread basically is saying he is just not a very nice or people-skills smart human being. All the other issues could be overcome if you have the personality and social (emotional) intelligence to handle them well. Apparently, he does not.

 

IF that's true it would beg the question has he been offered help to develop them?    Because just like other skills, social skills and emotional intelligence can be developed

Brian Daboll 100% improved his interview skills and changed how he came across during his time here.  Now maybe that reflects a change in how he dealt with players (Josh Allen's story of Daboll screaming in his helmet during practice his rookie season, screaming on the sideline, calming down then coming back 5 minutes later for Round 2).  And he got sent up to the box a week after screaming at Josh on the sidelines after a play.  He said himself, he would get too caught up in the last play and its results instead of moving on to the next play.

Dick Vermeil was noted for his people skills.  I met the son of his OL coach, who told us Vermeil encountered him in the locker room just after his dad was hired and and asked him by name how he and his family were settling in to (city where they bought a house), how his grade at Schoolname was going, whether he'd found people to (hobby) with yet?  He was blown away that Vermeil remembered all those details about the kids of his OL coach - but that was clearly SOP to Vermeil.  Said Vermeil required that level of people skills of his assistants and sent them to Dale Carnegie courses to help acquire them, which it would, if they took it seriously and practiced.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, Buffalo03 said:

It says article removed by author when I click the link 

 

There's another link to the article downthread.

 

Oh, here, let me make it easier

https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?s=60f98814f0882458c4b46e4e5dcd0abb&p=16149947&postcount=278

Click "spoiler"

 

This is exactly to @Ridgewaycynic2013 that things can not be un-published on the internet.  Once it's out, it's out.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

24 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:

This is a strange development…

 

They should have just posted “ we f’d up” instead of all that crap..

 

I think they should have posted

"someone's lawyer contacted us and threatened to sue for libel and defamation and harboring hate speech and whatever else we can plausibly put in a civil suit where the standard is more likely than not"

and

"the one source we did have got pissed off at us for publishing some drunk ***** they said out of context and maybe outing them to the team as flapperlips"

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

2 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

There's another link to the article downthread.

 

Oh, here, let me make it easier

https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?s=60f98814f0882458c4b46e4e5dcd0abb&p=16149947&postcount=278

Click "spoiler"

 

This is exactly to @Ridgewaycynic2013 that things can not be un-published on the internet.  Once it's out, it's out.

TWSS...

 

Edited February 18, 2022 by Ridgewaycynic2013

[GunnerBill]

3 hours ago, BillsFan4 said:

 

 

Well that explanation is a nonsensical stream of consciousness that makes me doubt the original story even more.

[billsfan89]

On 2/17/2022 at 12:43 AM, GunnerBill said:

This strikes me a bit as fans doing what fans do - blame the coordinator. That is easier than blaming the Quarterback or the Head Coach 'cos your team is generally more locked into those guys. Coordinators are often the scapegoats. 

 

The article might be true but there isn't a single one of its claims that is corroborated by a second source. 

 

The main person to blame for the 2nd half of the AFCCG? It was Patrick Mahomes. 

 

In the end if the players execute for the most part any play will be somewhat successful. Yes play calling is important because players won't always execute and you don't want to run directly into the strength of the other team. But fans always go directly to play calling as the blame for most collapses esp on offense. It is just the nature of fandom. 

[TheFunPolice]

The idea that Andy Reid would just stand there helpless will his OC called crappy plays and ripped the star QB apart because it was "in his (EB's) contract" is a complete and total joke. The HC ALWAYS has the final say, or he isn't the HC anymore. 

 

Now, I could see Reid letting EB pretty much run the offense as he is trying to help the man develop his career and all, plus Reid is trying to be more of a CEO type HC. OK. But this idea that it's all Bienemy's fault and poor Andy Reid just has to stand by and watch because of language in Bienemy's contract is a joke, and these writers should be ashamed. 

 

Also, IF this was all true I don't think EB coming back would be in the cards. 

 

 

Edited February 18, 2022 by TheFunPolice

[Hapless Bills Fan]

36 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Well that explanation is a nonsensical stream of consciousness that makes me doubt the original story even more.

 

"Eric Bienemy has been a good coach his entire career.  Nobody here is debating that."

 

(Except us, when we call him out as "the backchannel communication on him is simply not good", for overruling a 'good plan' for the OL in Superbowl LV, for lacking energy and having a poor attitude in 2021, for feuding with his star QB during 2020, attacking him in a week meeting "for no reason", subsequently having his offensive coordinator responsibilities reduced, and "ruining the AFCCG" with his lack of awareness on timeouts at the end of the 2nd half and with his play calling in the 2nd half.  Other than those little details, he's a Good Coach, HONEST, we're not debating that, We're Just Sayin.....)

 

 

 

[GunnerBill]

Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

"Eric Bienemy has been a good coach his entire career.  Nobody here is debating that."

 

(Except us, when we call him out as "the backchannel communication on him is simply not good", for overruling a 'good plan' for the OL in Superbowl LV, for lacking energy and having a poor attitude in 2021, for feuding with his star QB during 2020, attacking him in a week meeting "for no reason", subsequently having his offensive coordinator responsibilities reduced, and "ruining the AFCCG" with his lack of awareness on timeouts at the end of the 2nd half and with his play calling in the 2nd half.  Other than those little details, he's a Good Coach, HONEST, we're not debating that, We're Just Sayin.....)

 

 

Quite. Bizarre post. 

[Southern_Bills]

6 hours ago, zow2 said:

 

Mahomes owns the Bills in playoff games (at least so far in his career).   No signs of implosion against the Buffalo D. 

 

I feel like 2020 we shoulda beaten them as well.  Mahomes had a bad ankle in that game and KC had some injury issues.  

 

Bills D has just been a huge disappointment in both Arrowhead losses.  

 

Well in 2020 I can say the Offense stunk too, so the defense doing well would have made it closer but probably still doesn't produce a win. 

 

This year, Josh couldn't have played any better.

[Chicken Boo]

On 2/17/2022 at 8:06 AM, MAJBobby said:

4.  Also right wrong or indifferent Daboll gets credit for Josh’s development. Bienemy doesn’t it was Reid with Mahomes 

 

Interesting that I come across this comment.  On ESPN, Acho was just crediting Daboll with Josh's development, which I think is very generous.  

 

I'd credit Jordan Palmer and Josh himself more than anything.  Daboll was just a lucky recipient of an ultra talented and driven QB.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

8 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

Quite. Bizarre post. 

 

That's why I interpreted it as ""someone's lawyer contacted us and threatened to sue for libel and defamation (.....) in a civil suit where the standard is 'more likely than not' " and  "the source we did have got P/O'd at us for publishing drunk ***** they said out of context and outing them to the team as flapperlips"

 

I had a little look at their twitter feed and found these gems:

 

Now, we all get caught up in the game and say stupid ***** from time to time. 

But these strike me as a conspiracy-minded dude or dudes, Just Sayin'

[GunnerBill]

17 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

That's why I interpreted it as ""someone's lawyer contacted us and threatened to sue for libel and defamation (.....) in a civil suit where the standard is 'more likely than not' " and  "the source we did have got P/O'd at us for publishing drunk ***** they said out of context and outing them to the team as flapperlips"

 

I had a little look at their twitter feed and found these gems:

 

Now, we all get caught up in the game and say stupid ***** from time to time. 

But these strike me as a conspiracy-minded dude or dudes, Just Sayin'

 

I think what was in their article is essentially worthless. 

[TheFunPolice]

1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

"Eric Bienemy has been a good coach his entire career.  Nobody here is debating that."

 

(Except us, when we call him out as "the backchannel communication on him is simply not good", for overruling a 'good plan' for the OL in Superbowl LV, for lacking energy and having a poor attitude in 2021, for feuding with his star QB during 2020, attacking him in a week meeting "for no reason", subsequently having his offensive coordinator responsibilities reduced, and "ruining the AFCCG" with his lack of awareness on timeouts at the end of the 2nd half and with his play calling in the 2nd half.  Other than those little details, he's a Good Coach, HONEST, we're not debating that, We're Just Sayin.....)

 

 

 

 

Just the idea that Andy Reid and Mahomes had some master plan for the Super Bowl, but then Bienemy bursts in and tears it all to shreds and gives everyone their marching orders is hilarious to me 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

9 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said:

 

Just the idea that Andy Reid and Mahomes had some master plan for the Super Bowl, but then Bienemy bursts in and tears it all to shreds and gives everyone their marching orders is hilarious to me 

 

Right.  And furthermore - the Chiefs OL problem was that they lost their franchise LT to an Achilles in the AFCCG, and as a consequence moved their adequate RT to LT, moved a G to RT, and started a backup G in the Superbowl.  That's a lot of new moving parts on OL.

 

If there was a better OL plan in-house, does anyone think 1) Reid would have allowed himself to be talked out of using it? 2) the Chiefs wouldn't have used it the following season, instead of trading for Orlando Brown, making a big FA signing of Joe Thuney, then using 2 draft picks on OL? 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

35 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said:

 

Just the idea that Andy Reid and Mahomes had some master plan for the Super Bowl, but then Bienemy bursts in and tears it all to shreds and gives everyone their marching orders is hilarious to me 

Well, the halftime snack put Reid out of it...

Then it was a simple matter for Bieniemy to hijack the game. 🤔

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This is a drag.  I finally learn how to spell Belichick, now all we do is talk about Bieniemy. 🤨

Edited February 18, 2022 by Ridgewaycynic2013

[Hapless Bills Fan]

21 hours ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

Interesting that I come across this comment.  On ESPN, Acho was just crediting Daboll with Josh's development, which I think is very generous.  

 

I'd credit Jordan Palmer and Josh himself more than anything.  Daboll was just a lucky recipient of an ultra talented and driven QB.

 

Part of it might be Daboll has been his OC all along while Mahomes rookie year was Nagy (although, he didn't play)

Also, Bieniemy was previously the RB coach

 

Both those things said, it doesn't seem like a fair standard

 

I liked the quip that the person most responsible for Josh Allen's development (Josh Allen) seems to get the least credit, but I do think Daboll was more than "a lucky recipient".  I think Josh came into the league very raw and not really understanding a lot of aspects of the pro game (reading the D, the protections and how to change them, etc etc) and Daboll worked with him a lot to watch film and improve his understanding.  Josh himself said that looking back, he's embarrassed by how little he understood about the protections his rookie year.   I think a different OC that wouldn't have had patience and put in the time wouldn't have gotten as good a result.