Patrick Duffy Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 3 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Genius. The point being, if Josh Allen is the Bills Best RB and we need 4-6 designed runs or RPOs where he's an option to win, the problem is not what you previously stated: "I think that he will run less naturally as he continues to get better as a passer." Thus implying that the reason for all Josh's running is some gaps he still has as a passing QB If the Bills are using Josh as a RB on designed runs, Josh "continuing to get better as a passer" won't change this. The problem is the personnel (OL and RB) and/or blocking scheme and play calling that don't enable a successful run game with the OL and RB we have. I feel like we will see much less QB designed runs for Allen next season with Dorsey and Kromer, or least I hope so anyways. Probably will still sneak a couple in here and there if they feel the need, but I'm excited to see the run game/RB's continue where they left off and be even better. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 16 minutes ago, Sheneneh Jenkins said: I feel like we will see much less QB designed runs for Allen next season with Dorsey and Kromer, or least I hope so anyways. Probably will still sneak a couple in here and there if they feel the need, but I'm excited to see the run game/RB's continue where they left off and be even better. My hope is that we will improve our OL personnel and/or Kromer will coach them up and Dorsey/Brady/Kromer wil be able to make better use of them. I know we do need to maintain a credible threat of a run game, so the question of called QB runs is really, can we maintain that credible threat without so many designed runs for Josh? In his post-season presser, Beane specifically said that "part of protecting Josh is the run game" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 On 2/16/2022 at 8:09 AM, Canadian Bills Fan said: CB round 1 and OL rounds 2 and 3 please My only difference is a stud DT-1 if we are lucky to see one fall to us Bluntly, I really think that the Bills need to fortify both guard positions, and with the players we want to retain I really think the best chance will be a few cheap journeyman and the draft. It's not what I want, getting to spend 1st round picks or shelling out for guards is a luxury we don't typically get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hemma Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 21 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: And replace Williams with who? A 5th round draft pick? C'mon Man Did I say ‘replace with a 5th.’? Man? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 7 minutes ago, hemma said: Did I say ‘replace with a 5th.’? You did not. Is that all I asked? "And replace Williams with who?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 On 2/16/2022 at 7:07 AM, CorkScrewHill said: https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/02/16/brandon-beane-protecting-josh-allen-is-the-first-priority-for-bills-offense-this-offseason/ I totally agree with Beane on this, and I think it has multiple facets in my opinion: 1) Better interior line play. I would think this is most likely in the form of a free agent signing. I also think this means Mongo is done in Buffalo. need to open up a spot if you are bringing someone in. 2) Calling less designed QB runs. His biggest runs come when he is scrambling on broken pass plays. I love that part of his game as well as the occasional 3rd and reasonable distant runs. QB designed runs through the gut of the defense on first or second downs, while they can be effective, are too risky IMHO 3) Keep drilling in to Josh that he needs to get down before he takes or gives a shot unless it is a truly CRITICAL play. The only thing is Allen has been hurt from the pocket, not on runs. They may run him a little less, but he keeps defenses constantly on their toes. Now having an excellent Interior O Line will convert to a more effective running game, even if they still throw 60-65% of the time. We have steady Eddie Morse, and our tackles are sharp. We just need guards. I see abates doing well, but we need a Guard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 19 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Genius. The point being, if Josh Allen is the Bills Best RB and we need 4-6 designed runs or RPOs where he's an option to win, the problem is not what you previously stated: "I think that he will run less naturally as he continues to get better as a passer." Thus implying that the reason for all Josh's running is some gaps he still has as a passing QB If the Bills are using Josh as a RB on designed runs, Josh "continuing to get better as a passer" won't change this. The problem is the personnel (OL and RB) and/or blocking scheme and play calling that don't enable a successful run game with the OL and RB we have. Yeah the Bills finally had no choice late in the year but to turn Allen loose on the ground. They had done so in the early season win at Arrowhead as well. When the stakes are high.........using Allen by any means necessary is a great performance elevator..........but it's not a good, sustainable plan for a 20-21 game season. The issue is how to win more regular season games than anyone else in the AFC without using Allen like RB1. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 On 2/16/2022 at 6:10 PM, BADOLBILZ said: First of all..........though the line improved late......Allen put a ton of hard miles on this season because of shoddy protection. The Bills OL gave up more combined pressues+sacks than the much maligned Bengals OL.....126 to 100. They were not good. Second.......we should learn about running it back with players who don't have enough history to justify it. So while I am excited about the potential of Spencer Brown, he really struggled at times and we graded him on a rookie scale. Remember that Cody Ford was the starting RT on the 2019 playoff team, Von Miller talked him up after their matchup, and it was assumed he was the RT of the future. Then he has been garbage since. Daryl Williams was an All Pro RT for one season in Carolina......then got injured and missed most of a year and came back the next season and played very poorly even at guard..........came to Buffalo and played excellent at RT.........got paid......and played poorly and appeared out of shape and had to be moved to guard. I think his commitment to the game might be in question at this point. Feliciano really dropped off last year after getting paid. Ryan Bates has only started a few games. Morse and Dawkins are the only two starting OL who have strung together 2 straight good season anytime recently........and there have been rumors that Morse may retire. They really can't afford to just run it back again..........that really failed miserably for 3/4 of the season. As much as we may not want to hear what you said here, it’s true, we need to get at least above average talent on our O-line, if we want to continue to be a SB threat annually. Go Bills!!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockinon Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 I'm excited to see how Kromer gets the OL going. He may even make Ford a better version of himself. Coaching is a big deal for a unit like the OL and Kromer not only is adept at teaching the OL how to attack but also at drawing up running plays. This could be one of the biggest moves of the off season. The passing game under Daboll was exceptional, but his running plays left much to be desired until after midseason this year. I believe Kromer will have some play designs that will help the run game right out of the gate next season. A couple of pieces added to the OL could really make this offense legendary. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manther Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 On 2/16/2022 at 8:22 AM, SoCal Deek said: I appear to be in the minority here but the O Line was fine down the stretch once they settled on their starting five. I’m not as concerned as others on here with regard to Williams paycheck. If Spencer gets injured for a game of two they’ll Williams slide back outside and it won’t matter. So what do they need to do this offseason: 1. Acquire good depth through the draft and free agency especially at OG and C. 2. Work with the new OC and OL Coach on technique and assignments Agreed. And, keep using Morse the way he is best. Pass protection and pull him for running. Also, keep improving the Oline, find an above average Guard as our Oline addition and drop our worst Olineman. Or Centre/Guard at the end of the first round. I like Dawkins, Boetteger, Morse and Spencer. Like Bates and Williams is fine as back up T or Guard. Just need to add one or two talents. Maybe one in the draft and one in FA. It will be interesting to see what Kromer thinks. 3 hours ago, Rockinon said: I'm excited to see how Kromer gets the OL going. He may even make Ford a better version of himself. Coaching is a big deal for a unit like the OL and Kromer not only is adept at teaching the OL how to attack but also at drawing up running plays. This could be one of the biggest moves of the off season. The passing game under Daboll was exceptional, but his running plays left much to be desired until after midseason this year. I believe Kromer will have some play designs that will help the run game right out of the gate next season. A couple of pieces added to the OL could really make this offense legendary. Agreed, I am intrigued and excited. I Billieve. Very optimistic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 On 2/17/2022 at 7:15 PM, machine gun kelly said: The only thing is Allen has been hurt from the pocket, not on runs. They may run him a little less, but he keeps defenses constantly on their toes. Now having an excellent Interior O Line will convert to a more effective running game, even if they still throw 60-65% of the time. We have steady Eddie Morse, and our tackles are sharp. We just need guards. I see abates doing well, but we need a Guard. You forget when he got knocked out if the game because of confusion protocol against the pats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mij yllek Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 I would love to sign FA Orlando Brown OT from KC. Helps us, hurts them. Win-Win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 5 minutes ago, Mij yllek said: I would love to sign FA Orlando Brown OT from KC. Helps us, hurts them. Win-Win. Sure, but he is going to cost a fortune. KC can't afford him. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs/orlando-brown-jr-25182/market-value/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitro Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 They can get a good OG in the 3rd or 4th rounds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 4 hours ago, Manther said: Agreed. And, keep using Morse the way he is best. Pass protection and pull him for running. Also, keep improving the Oline, find an above average Guard as our Oline addition and drop our worst Olineman. Or Centre/Guard at the end of the first round. I like Dawkins, Boetteger, Morse and Spencer. Like Bates and Williams is fine as back up T or Guard. Just need to add one or two talents. Maybe one in the draft and one in FA. It will be interesting to see what Kromer thinks. Agreed, I am intrigued and excited. I Billieve. Very optimistic. Please elaborate on why you like Boettger. This ought to be interesting. “He’s a good guy, I like him”. No offense bro, but Ike SUCKS 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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