Gugny Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 7 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Where did the Giants admit to it? https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/02/01/giants-brian-flores-was-a-serious-candidate-we-hired-the-coach-we-felt-was-most-qualified/ Flores contends that the interview was a sham, but the Giants responded by saying that Flores was a serious candidate for the job. “We are pleased and confident with the process that resulted in the hiring of Brian Daboll,” the statement said. “We interviewed an impressive and diverse group of candidates. The fact of the matter is, Brian Flores was in the conversation to be our head coach until the eleventh hour. Ultimately, we hired the individual we felt was most qualified to be our next head coach.” Bills defensive coordinator Leslie Frazier, Giants defensive coordinator Patrick Graham, Cowboys defensive coordinator Dan Quinn, and Bengals defensive coordinator Lou Anarumo also interviewed for the Giants before Daboll was hired. Frazier and Graham are Black and the NFL’s Rooney Rule requires teams to interview at least two external minority candidates for head coaching openings but Flores’ suit contends that they were not under real consideration for the job. Unless we know exactly what Belichick heard and from whom, we really don't know that the Giants, in fact, made a hiring decision prior to Flores interview. And if they did, they very likely won't admit to it. On Pro Football Talk, Mike Florio claims that most owners (75%) already know who they want to hire next before they make their decision to fire the current coach. That would make most interview processes an "equal opportunity sham": both the white and the minority candidates are working with a stacked deck where the winning card is already known. I think this is still true in some cases (Raiders hiring Gruden; Jacksonville hiring Urban), but in others, the process is more open and a legitimate open search is conducted. (I don't think the Pegulas knew they wanted to hire McDermott when they fired Ryan, for example). My guess would be that Mara legitimately was very interested in hiring Flores, and had his FO people talking to Flores (for example, the Jan 11 text conversation where McDonnell supposedly said that Daboll might leave Buffalo for a lateral move). But once they hired Joe Schoen as GM, he may have stipulated for a strong voice or maybe the deciding voice in hiring the HC, and he had a different set of names that started with Brian Daboll, and included Leslie Frazier. TBH, I think Schoen wanted an offensive guy, and Daboll was his top choice - and actually, the only offensive coach they interviewed. I said what I said based on this ... Whether it's true or not, I don't know. I'm just saying that if it is true that someone from the Giants shared that the decision was made prior to having dinner with Flores, then that was stupid. I don't care if it breaks the rules or not, or if it's a legitimate cause for suing ... I just think it's dumb. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 16 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said: Congress is going to get involved if this isn't retracted quickly - you can't have an owner of an antitrust-exempt business, on which betting is now legal, paying coaches to lose. This is EPIC. bro, i didn't even consider that angle. ya, this could blow up a bunch of things, no? if people cared about vices like the used to (politically speaking) then something like this would potentially have an impact on all the online gambling stuff, possibly making some states blow out of it and such. crazy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 https://www.wigdorlaw.com/team/ they have one non white lawyer and he is Indian. Someone should file a claim against them. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 1 hour ago, Ayjent said: I’m not saying they don’t know what they’re doing. I’m saying they are self-interested in the best result for themselves not their client, which is already very obvious. A wealthy law firms partners act in self interest?? Whaaaat? Look at Wigdors team of 19 on their Web site. There doesn’t Appear to be any sort of Rooney rule equity convictions affecting their hiring practices. It’s all a money grab by everyone involved. It’s simply the way it is… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 15 hours ago, Fan in Chicago said: (Warning - speculation ahead) If true, it is entirely likely that McD leaned on Daboll around the Bucs game to change the play calls to a more balanced approach. If Daboll didnt like that, then I say him leaving is for the betterment of the O going forward. Clearly the O was more balanced and dangerous towards the end of the season and into the playoffs. Something changed and it must be McD forcing Daboll to curb his natural proclivities. a good hc leans on his guys, even if it makes them angry, if it's for the betterment of the team. if this is the read through (and i think it is) this is a good thing for our HC IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 The Rooney rule to me always has been about "checking a box". But I also believe the cream rises to the top and the best, smartest and most talented people ultimately land in charge as head coaches, GM's, etc. Flores was already hired as a head coach, did ok, but was fired. It didn't make sense to me, i thought he did a decent job in Miami but it sounded like there was personality issues with him and that organization. I'm not so sure his situation is about skin color,,,, and not moreso about HIM. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 2 minutes ago, colin said: a good hc leans on his guys... A great HC leans elsewhere. If you don't believe it, just ask him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 1 minute ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: A great HC leans elsewhere. If you don't believe it, just ask him. at some point you just have to admire the hubris. gives no fudges, breaks rules and doesn't care, happy to have serial killers on his team and initiate ex judicial prison on players he wants to pressure, spreads love wherever he goes. Urban might just be NFL coach of the year! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 1 minute ago, colin said: at some point you just have to admire the hubris. gives no fudges, breaks rules and doesn't care, happy to have serial killers on his team and initiate ex judicial prison on players he wants to pressure, spreads love wherever he goes. Urban might just be NFL coach of the year! Agreed, and again, just ask him! 😁 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 (edited) 16 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said: Congress is going to get involved if this isn't retracted quickly - you can't have an owner of an antitrust-exempt business, on which betting is now legal, paying coaches to lose. This is EPIC. Congress see's nothing wrong with its members buying and selling stocks while in office. Our government is just as corrupt as certain NFL owners. Don't hold your breath Edited February 2, 2022 by Lost Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 Flores is going to be on Get Up at 9:30. Greeny will get to the bottom of this! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayjent Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 43 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said: Agree I don’t know exactly what Flores’ motivations are either or if he went along with this strategy clear-headed. I just don’t see any evidence that Wigdor is purposely fireballing his career to maximize exposure to gain clout. They may honestly believe it’s the best strategy against entities like the NFL. I'll just say this. Clients are sometimes convinced of a terrible strategy when they are looking for blood and their vision is clouded, only later to realize that they wished someone had played out the scenarios of how things could go from bad to worse big picture. This happens all the time in family and labor law - emotions drive the desire to get back at someone or some organization that has hurt you. It's not to say that some firms like Wigdor aren't effective in getting a favorable settlement and winning in the eyes of a segment of the population sympathetic to their client's cause. However, will Flores regret approving this legal strategy when he desires to coach at a certain level in the NFL or college and is met with no interest? No one knows for sure whether that will be the case, but I think it is pretty safe to pretty safe to say that it will close a lot of doors for him that might have otherwise been open. I also wonder if there was any exploration of discussions with the NFL about many of the issues he experienced and whether the NFL was receptive to those conversations or completely uninterested. So much that is not really known, but from an initial view this current strategy looks like a complete scorched Earth approach that would be a last resort if all other avenues failed. I don't think a couple of weeks is really enough time to explore more reasonable options that could preserve his opportunities and address issues with the hiring process in the NFL, which regardless of racial considerations needs to be looked at (e.g., the NFL really needs to look at interview and hiring windows for all candidates following the conclusion of the season). So that's where I'm coming from, but maybe Flores wanted all of this and that is why he hired them. If that's the case, that's too bad, because I think he is a really good coach, but ultimately it's not necessarily a good look for him being a reasonable person. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden*Wheels Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 Time to dust of the eatin' popcorn emoji. Wow. This is gonna be a hot mess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 I always say, Find something you’re good at and get paid for it. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 Just now, YoloinOhio said: I always say, Find something you’re good at and get paid for it. Lol now all losing coaches are about to say this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 This situation shows the downside of the Rooney rule. If it didn’t exist, the Giants would have announced Daboll as their head coach and Flores wouldn’t even have been scheduled. If I’m a minority I’m not sure if I would prefer the Rooney rule remain, or be scrapped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aceman_16 Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 The Giants didn't NEED to interview Flores for the Rooney Rule....they interviewed Frasier. A big nothing burger here on that front. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 5 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: I always say, Find something you’re good at and get paid for it. If true, Hue must be a very wealthy man. 1 minute ago, aceman_16 said: The Giants didn't NEED to interview Flores for the Rooney Rule....they interviewed Frasier. A big nothing burger here on that front. HC openings need two minority candidates interviewed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 4 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Lol now all losing coaches are about to say this. Ironically we just celebrated Hue Jackson Day here in Ohio (1-31) 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kellyhero68 Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 17 hours ago, The Wiz said: I'm assuming he's done in the NFL regardless with this. USFL is going to be great alternative. I hope it does well. Competition is good for the fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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