Evian Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, pennstate10 said: 100% chance that statement is wrong. Um, wrong. If 20% of the league has it right now, they all will have it shortly. It is highly contagious and locker rooms and meeting rooms are like petri dishes. You can't stop this virus once it gets to those levels. I bet half the league will have it by year's end. All by the playoffs. Which will conveniently lead to ZERO positives in the playoffs. Edited December 22, 2021 by Evian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HalftimeAdjustment Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 6 minutes ago, HappyDays said: The NFL purposefully designed the protocols in the first place to punish players for not being vaccinated, in the hopes that it would encourage more players to get vaccinated. The design worked. I know of several players that got the vaccine just in the interest of being available for their team, Emmanuel Sanders being one. The protocols were not designed with the goal of 100% effectiveness or safety. They were designed to minimize the number of unvaccinated players in NFL locker rooms and on that goal they succeeded. I agree with that rationale, and it was effective at increasing vaccination rates. So now that they made changes anyhow in the face of changing circumstances, they might as well change this rule, too. After all those who got vaccinated can't undo it and those who haven't aren't going to. Why not make it easier on themselves, for example by letting unvaxxed players test out with sufficient number of negative tests rather than a fixed 10 day rule? Granted, most of them will not test out much quicker, but at this point the NFL's priorities have shifted to player availability so I think they should lean in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pennstate10 Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 13 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: No question it's more contagious than Delta. It's out-competing Delta very effectively (though Delta is still out there). That doesn't mean the Doctor's estimated Ro in the article to which I was responding (from @Sheneneh Jenkins) is correct or that it's the "second most contagious virus on the planet". Agree. The estimate of 15 is high. Its really early days, but most experts have estimated it to be from 3-10. https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(21)00559-2/fulltext 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HalftimeAdjustment Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 2 minutes ago, Dr.Mantis_Toboggan said: I don’t think he was 100% anyway, or he’s just lost a step in general. At any rate, I’m sure he’ll be fine. Either way hopefully this thing doesn’t completely blow up by the weekend and we’re starting Davis Webb and Christian Wade in Foxboro or something. Paging Chad Kelly... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Dr.Mantis_Toboggan said: I don’t think he was 100% anyway, or he’s just lost a step in general. This is an underrated storyline of the offense's regression this year. Beasley has been quite mediocre. Several times this year he has fallen down short of the sticks instead of fighting through a tackle. And he looks a lot slower to me. I'm guessing it's a combination of age and his bruised ribs. Last year losing Beasley in a critical game would have been crushing. This year I don't think it makes a big difference. It may actually work out for the best by forcing the Bills to put the more dynamic player on the field in McKenzie. Edited December 22, 2021 by HappyDays 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pennstate10 Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 1 minute ago, Evian said: Um, wrong. If 20% of the league has it right now, they all will have it shortly. It is highly contagious and locker rooms and meeting rooms are a petri dish. You can't stop this virus once it gets to those levels. I bet half the league will have it by year's end. Hmmm...... Everyone (ie, 100%) down to 50% in just 30 minutes. You must have a really dynamic information feed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southern_Bills Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 17 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: No question it's more contagious than Delta. It's out-competing Delta very effectively (though Delta is still out there). That doesn't mean the Doctor's estimated Ro in the article to which I was responding (from @Sheneneh Jenkins) is correct or that it's the "second most contagious virus on the planet". Honest question, I don't follow the Covid news much at all, how do they know what variant it is when someone tests positive? Extensive blood test? Or does just a regular swap tell them? I only ask you because you seem to follow it. I'm in south Alabama, honestly I only hear about it if I turn on national news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 3 minutes ago, HalftimeAdjustment said: So now that they made changes anyhow in the face of changing circumstances, they might as well change this rule, too. After all those who got vaccinated can't undo it and those who haven't aren't going to. The NFL isn't going to reward those players' stubbornness. They intentionally made it harder on those players, there's no reason to relent now just because we're in the home stretch of the regular season. There's nothing stopping an unvaccinated player from going and getting the vaccine now. A little more inconvenient than it would have been in the offseason but that was their choice and the option is still there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evian Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, pennstate10 said: Hmmm...... Everyone (ie, 100%) down to 50% in just 30 minutes. You must have a really dynamic information feed. Learn how to read. 50% by year's end. 1 week from now. 100% by playoff time. 3 weeks from now. ZERO will test positive in playoffs because NFL will stop testing everyone leading up to playoffs. Edited December 22, 2021 by Evian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HalftimeAdjustment Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 1 minute ago, Evian said: Learn how to read. 50% by year's end. 1 week from now. 100% by playoff time. 3 weeks from now. ZERO will test positive in playoffs. While I lack your certainty in these figures, I tend to agree it could easily be close to that and that most cases will occur before the playoffs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 6 hours ago, nucci said: I guess being young and healthy didn't protect him like he thought Protect him from what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HalftimeAdjustment Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 4 minutes ago, Southern_Bills said: Honest question, I don't follow the Covid news much at all, how do they know what variant it is when someone tests positive? Extensive blood test? Or does just a regular swap tell them? I only ask you because you seem to follow it. I'm in south Alabama, honestly I only hear about it if I turn on national news. In most cases unless they send it for secondary sequencing, it isn't known, and 1% or less of cases are sequenced. With Omicron, there are sometimes distinctive markers in the standard test indicating a probable Omicron case, because it is different enough to stand out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 14 minutes ago, HalftimeAdjustment said: I agree with that rationale, and it was effective at increasing vaccination rates. So now that they made changes anyhow in the face of changing circumstances, they might as well change this rule, too. After all those who got vaccinated can't undo it and those who haven't aren't going to. Why not make it easier on themselves, for example by letting unvaxxed players test out with sufficient number of negative tests rather than a fixed 10 day rule? Granted, most of them will not test out much quicker, but at this point the NFL's priorities have shifted to player availability so I think they should lean in. What you suggest makes sense to me. 21 minutes ago, Beach said: he is. Yes to playing by the rules, No on the whining. Actually I don't even care if he whines about the NFL's rules, but I wish he and his buddy Mongo would lay off on the uninformed proselytizing about covid and health policy. 16 minutes ago, Dr.Mantis_Toboggan said: I don’t think he was 100% anyway, or he’s just lost a step in general. At any rate, I’m sure he’ll be fine. Either way hopefully this thing doesn’t completely blow up by the weekend and we’re starting Davis Webb and Christian Wade in Foxboro or something. I think Beasley has very likely been playing with cracked ribs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Since1981 Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 1) crazy not to take vax. 2) employer + union have rules. He’s following the rules, as expected of any employee. 3) End of story. next man up 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evian Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 4 minutes ago, HalftimeAdjustment said: While I lack your certainty in these figures, I tend to agree it could easily be close to that and that most cases will occur before the playoffs. I am just very confident the NFL is not going to let covid affect any players in the playoffs. I am also confident the stadiums will be full. 95% of players vaccinated and will no longer "need" to be tested. The 5% who aren't vaccinnted already get tested daily and will all test positive over next couple weeks. Clean slate for playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 40 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I think there's a certain degree of alarmism going on. For example, there were people suggesting that Delta variant was more infectious than Chicken pox, I think when the dust settled a little bit, it didn't turn out that way. But either way, assuming that distancing and masking are being observed, even measles wouldn't spread to every single person in an NFL locker room. Well, it’s gone from not being detected in the country to being responsible for 73% of new cases in about three weeks....that’s pretty good evidence that this variant is highly transmissible....let’s just hope for the best but prepare for the worst. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 6 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said: Hopefully he's vaccinated because if you guys followed him on Twitter....he surely sounded like he was pro-vaccine. He is telling people "You do not want to be like me." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelius Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 Sucks and I hope Cole comes out of it just fine, but let's be honest, I'm not having much difficulty envisioning Kumerow or somebody else matching his recent production. It hurts our depth obviously, and Beasley is somebody you've always got to think about, but with the emergence of Knox and Davis he's hardly been the factor that he was last year. I'd almost prefer to see Kumerow or Hodgins' height just to mix it up a bit. Kumerow is 6'4" by the way?! Since when. More of him then please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 6 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I believe McDermott already said Sanders would miss the Pats game with his knee. Stevenson? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 1 hour ago, Meatloaf63 said: Coles campaign is a different view that you hold, doesn’t make it disinformation. It’s amazing how some believe they have all the answers and anyone going against that belief is nuts, an idiot, a trouble maker. 🤦 Disseminating information which was complete fiction all summer is the definition of misinformation. Citing nonsense "research" from people with zero credentials is not a matter of opinion. Some things are demonstrably false no matter how much it may pain you. Its amazing how some people are willing to accept utter nonsense when its convenient. 2 1 2 1 4 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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