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Democracy’s Fiery Ordeal: The War in Ukraine 🇺🇦


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2 hours ago, L Ron Burgundy said:

I would bet money most of her supporters couldn't find it.  I'd also bet Trump couldn't either.

 

No lib could, or cared about it until we found out Hunter landed a job there and dad fired a prosecutor looking into the company...

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11 hours ago, Doc said:

 

No lib could, or cared about it until we found out Hunter landed a job there and dad fired a prosecutor looking into the company...


I guess you forgot that Russia actually invaded Ukraine. You know that big war thing that caused people to pay attention to Ukraine?
 

Libs by and large don’t care about Hunter Biden. 

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12 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:


I guess you forgot that Russia actually invaded Ukraine. You know that big war thing that caused people to pay attention to Ukraine?
 

Libs by and large don’t care about Hunter Biden. 

Ironic how that happened right when western coup replaced actual votes on,  Ukrainian representation.  

 

Not so much since.  

 

Crimea did have at least one election since. 

 

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33 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:

I guess you forgot that Russia actually invaded Ukraine. You know that big war thing that caused people to pay attention to Ukraine?
 

Libs by and large don’t care about Hunter Biden. 

 

No, didn't forget at all.  It was a war that wouldn't have happened under Trump. 

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I guess they should of taken the bi-partisan deal that was negotiated. Of course they just don't want the border fixed

 

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/04/20/house-vote-ukraine-israel-aid-johnson/#link-YI2FZDL7ERDU5KUUZTXUKCLZTE

 

Rep. Thomas Massie (R-Ky.) accused Speaker Mike Johnson of “colluding” with Democrats to prioritize foreign aid over securing the Southern border.

“To send $100 billion overseas without reinforcing our own borders shows that we put America last,” Massie told reporters Saturday outside the House chamber. He has signed onto Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene’s plan to depose Johnson.

 

 

 

They can talk to each other, or go sit in the bathroom, f them 

 

Hard-line GOP members not getting ‘floor time’ to speak

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By Marianna Sotomayor

Congressional reporter covering the House of Representatives

If you’ve been watching the debate on the House floor today, you probably haven’t seen many far-right members present their perspective against the plan presented by Speaker Mike Johnson (R-La.). That’s by design.

According to several Republicans, those members have been prevented from receiving “floor time” to speak because of overwhelming opposition from the conference.

House Republicans and Democrats both made impassioned pleas to support Ukraine, highlighting the war crimes of Russian President Vladimir Putin.

“Without our help, a democracy is certain to fall to a murderous, Marxist, socialist dictator,” Rep. Chuck Edwards (R-N.C.) said, adding, “My ears have heard the numerous testimonies of unthinkable acts by the Russian military.”

Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), the former speaker of the House, didn’t mince words in describing those atrocities.

“Vladimir Putin has instructed his troops to use rape, kidnapping and murder in front of family members as a weapon of war to demoralize the people of Ukraine,” she said.

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4 hours ago, Doc said:

 

No, didn't forget at all.  It was a war that wouldn't have happened under Trump. 

 

Trump Derangement Syndrome. When Trump is to blame for everything.

 

Trump Derangement Syndrome. When everything good happens because of Trump.

 

It's easy to determine which of these delusions is most comfortable to you.

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54 minutes ago, Coffeesforclosers said:

Trump Derangement Syndrome. When Trump is to blame for everything.

 

Trump Derangement Syndrome. When everything good happens because of Trump.

 

It's easy to determine which of these delusions is most comfortable to you.

 

Putin invaded under Obama and Biden.  He didn't under Trump. 

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7 hours ago, ChiGoose said:


I guess you forgot that Russia actually invaded Ukraine. You know that big war thing that caused people to pay attention to Ukraine?
 

Libs by and large don’t care about Hunter Biden. 

Russia's done it twice, under both Obama and Biden

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3 hours ago, Pokebball said:

Russia's done it twice, under both Obama and Biden


Yeah, turns out that Russia is a revanchist anti-democratic country with a desire to destroy the west. 
 

Remember when Mitt Romney correctly called Obama out for his Russia reset? Or when McCain and Congress had to push back against the Obama administration to pass the Magnitsky Act?

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3 hours ago, Pokebball said:

Russia's done it twice, under both Obama and Biden

 

Ukraine is paying the price for Obama's spinelessness in Syria (I remember Putin rolling tanks ove Obama's red lines).  Ditto Crimea.

 

You can't blame Russia for thinking Obama's VP would act in the same fashion, especially given how fractious our domestic politics are right now.

 

The only reason why Ukraine still exists is because Russia thought this would be Crimea, Part II and planned accordingly. 

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It's 'Vietnam All Over Again' As Defense Department Prepares to Beef Up Number of US Advisers in Ukraine

 

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The Department of Defense is considering upping the number of US military advisers stationed in Ukraine. Politico said, "The advisers would not be in a combat role, but rather would advise and support the Ukrainian government and military."

 

https://redstate.com/streiff/2024/04/20/its-vietnam-all-over-again-as-defense-department-prepares-to-beef-up-number-of-us-advisers-in-ukraine-n2173091

 

 

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7 hours ago, B-Man said:

 

 

 

It's 'Vietnam All Over Again' As Defense Department Prepares to Beef Up Number of US Advisers in Ukraine

 

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The Department of Defense is considering upping the number of US military advisers stationed in Ukraine. Politico said, "The advisers would not be in a combat role, but rather would advise and support the Ukrainian government and military."

 

https://redstate.com/streiff/2024/04/20/its-vietnam-all-over-again-as-defense-department-prepares-to-beef-up-number-of-us-advisers-in-ukraine-n2173091

 

 

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Who will they advise?  Most of Ukraine's forces have been killed, captured, or wounded and the majority of its citizens have no interest in extending the war or kidnapped by Zelensky's henchmen  to die on the front lines for Washington's proxy war.

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1 hour ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

Who will they advise?  Most of Ukraine's forces have been killed, captured, or wounded and the majority of its citizens have no interest in extending the war or kidnapped by Zelensky's henchmen  to die on the front lines for Washington's proxy war.


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2 minutes ago, Tommy Callahan said:

Reads like pro war propaganda. 

 

Remember when nulan and out state department promoted the euro maiden. 

 

She even gave out cookies. 

 

 


You’ve really bought into the propaganda, haven’t you? Full on Neville Chamberlain thinking. 

 

Russia has already said that they wouldn’t stop the war since Ukraine was running out of ammo. They were winning, why not keep pressing to Kiev, kill the leadership and take over the whole country?

 

They also said that Latvia is a fake country. They said Ukraine isn’t real, and then they invaded it. Now they are saying another country isn’t real. What do you think their plans are?

 

They’ve also claimed that the Baltic states belong to Russia. 
 

I don’t want war. I wish Russia hadn’t invaded. But I’m not dumb enough to believe that letting them win in Ukraine ends things. In their minds, Ukraine is just the beginning. 

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If it was American troops being slaughtered it would have much less support 

 

The kings script seems to have ran out of dumb strawman and is twerking out.  

 

Did you get all this from algezeer 

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13 hours ago, ChiGoose said:

Yeah, turns out that Russia is a revanchist anti-democratic country with a desire to destroy the west. 
 

Remember when Mitt Romney correctly called Obama out for his Russia reset? Or when McCain and Congress had to push back against the Obama administration to pass the Magnitsky Act?

 

You mean prior to the 2012 election, after which Obama would have "more flexibility"? 

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14 minutes ago, Tommy Callahan said:

If it was American troops being slaughtered it would have much less support 

 

The kings script seems to have ran out of dumb strawman and is twerking out.  

 

Did you get all this from algezeer 


What do you think happens when Russia takes over Ukraine? They just pack up their bags and head back to Moscow and we all live happily ever after?

12 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

You mean prior to the 2012 election, after which Obama would have "more flexibility"? 


You think you’re making a point but you’re really not. 
 

I never supported or voted for Obama. His misplaying of Russia was probably his biggest failure as president. 

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8 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:

You think you’re making a point but you’re really not. 
 

I never supported or voted for Obama. His misplaying of Russia was probably his biggest failure as president. 

 

No, I'm making the exact point I wanted to make, to the person to whom I was responding, which wasn't you (initially).  Which was: Putin wouldn't have invaded under Trump.

 

OK, do you didn't vote for Obama.  But you voted for Biden, right?

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Majority of Americans support sending aid to Ukraine, poll says

 

“A majority of Americans (53%) support sending weapons and military aid to Ukraine, according to a new CBS News poll conducted with the market research firm, YouGov.”


More Americans Say U.S. Is Not Helping Ukraine Enough

 

“This is the first time that less than 30% of Americans say the U.S. is doing the right amount to support Ukraine, which was the most common view as recently as June, when 43% held this opinion.”

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12 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

No, I'm making the exact point I wanted to make, to the person to whom I was responding, which wasn't you (initially).  Which was: Putin wouldn't have invaded under Trump.

 

OK, do you didn't vote for Obama.  But you voted for Biden, right?


Why do you think Putin wouldn’t have invaded under Trump?

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3 hours ago, ChiGoose said:


That’s it? That’s all you’ve got?

 

Putin wouldn’t have invaded because he didn’t invade before?

I answered with the fact he didn't, you ran with some weak attempt at an insult. 

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10 minutes ago, Tommy Callahan said:

I answered with the fact he didn't, you ran with some weak attempt at an insult. 


Josh Allen will never win a Super Bowl. I know this because he hasn’t. 
 

Same logic. 

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3 hours ago, ChiGoose said:


That’s it? That’s all you’ve got?

 

Putin wouldn’t have invaded because he didn’t invade before?

How many more years of war, dollars or deaths until you change your mind on the war? 

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