Democracy’s Fiery Ordeal: The War in Ukraine 🇺🇦

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

51 minutes ago, Governor said:

This is what 4 years of Isolationism gets you.

You can’t retreat from the entire world and expect no one else to make a move and fill that void.

There is a point in there somewhere… if trump wasn’t so detestable there is no way a doddering old fool like this one would be in charge now. 

2 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

So, 40 million people about to be conqured and enslaved by Putin is simply Biden's fault and that's it. 

Wow! You are finally getting it

[snafu]

8 hours ago, reddogblitz said:

I'm glad to hear you are not advocating military intervention. I may be wrong, but it seems @Tiberius and @BillStime are pretty hip on the idea.

One of them is hip to the idea because he thinks it will make Biden look better.

The other one is hip to the idea because he thinks it will make Trump look worse.

For both, this is purely about domestic politics in November.

 

 

[Tiberius]

2 minutes ago, snafu said:

One of them is hip to the idea because he thinks it will make Biden look better.

The other one is hip to the idea because he thinks it will make Trump look worse.

For both, this is purely about domestic politics in November.

 

 

Nope, Biden will suffer if he does the right thing. Most politicians do the wrong thing for short term gain. This is standing up for right. 

 

What do you think? Just let Putin do whatever he wants to avoid war, like we did with Hitler in the 1930's? 

[Chef Jim]

17 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

What do you think? Just let Putin do whatever he wants to avoid war, like we did with Hitler in the 1930's? 

So far that appears to be what’s happening no? 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

29 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Nope, Biden will suffer if he does the right thing. Most politicians do the wrong thing for short term gain. This is standing up for right. 

 

What do you think? Just let Putin do whatever he wants to avoid war, like we did with Hitler in the 1930's? 

Hitler, Putin… you lefty socialists have a wired love hate thing with your own 

[Tiberius]

2 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Hitler, Putin… you lefty socialists have a wired love hate thing with your own 

Oh, so you do not know history. 

 

 

[All_Pro_Bills]

16 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Oh, so you do not know history. 

 

 

The reality is the modern American left has adopted the tactics and methods of historical fascist regimes while deluding themselves into believing they're cause is justified by the pursuit of social good. Demonizing and persecuting their political opposition and causing harm to them as they accuse their victims of using the very same tactics they employ.   

Nefarious practices employed by the left for "good".  Same as Hitler, right?  Purging the unfit, making a better society for the Reich.  In this case of current day, making America better by purging the ideological unfit. 

Now you may object to that description and comparison and accuse those on the right of such behavior but that argument is empty.  Because the left controls almost every institution and organization of society so its hard to reconcile their world view as victims when they are the establishment with almost total control over society.  The left controls the government, the media, corporations, everything.  What does the right control?  Mostly legions of powerless individuals assembling into citizen groups that are demonized by the left.  

Edited February 22, 2022 by All_Pro_Bills

[Tiberius]

2 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

The reality is the modern American left has adopted the tactics and methods of historical fascist regimes while deluding themselves into believing they're cause is justified by the pursuit of social good. Demonizing and persecuting their political opposition and causing harm to them as they accuse their victims of using the very same tactics they employ.   

Nefarious practices employed by the left for "good".  Same as Hitler, right?  Purging the unfit, making a better society for the Reich.  In this case of current day, making America better by purging the ideological unfit. 

Now you may object to that description and comparison and accuse those on the right of such behavior but that argument is empty.  Because the left controls almost every institution and organization of society so its hard to reconcile their world view as victims when they are the establishment with almost total control over society.  The left controls the government, the media, corporations, everything.  What does the right control?     

Whatever 

[All_Pro_Bills]

Just now, Tiberius said:

Whatever 

So I think I hit the nail right on the head here!

[Tiberius]

Just now, All_Pro_Bills said:

So I think I hit the nail right on the head here!

Yup, "Blah, blah blah" is a forceful argument 

[B-Man]

 

 

 

 

 

[BillStime]

4 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

Purging the unfit

Like passing laws to suppress the vote? Banning history and books? Like passing laws against LGTBQ?  Controlling women's bodies?

 

Yea we know all about what you think is unfit.

 

 

[sherpa]

1 hour ago, Tiberius said:

 Biden did send a carrier battle group through the South China Sea and China went ballistic. I guess you did not know that

 

 

US carrier battle groups have been operating in the South China Sea since the 40's.

[Tiberius]

2 minutes ago, sherpa said:

 

US carrier battle groups have been operating in the South China Sea since the 40's.

Off and on, yes. Now it's on. 

 

 

19 hours ago, sherpa said:

Thank goodness for the strength and resolve of the UN to prevent these situations.

What? What is this suppose to mean? 

 

Maybe UNICEF should stop it, also? 👩‍🎓

[sherpa]

9 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Off and on, yes. Now it's on. 

 

 

No.

On and on for decades.

It's Seventh Fleet's main area of operation.

We have had a carrier permanently based in Japan since Oct 1973 to handle this area, and other west coast based carriers augment it.

Been going on since the end of WWII.

 

That bit of reality aside, I have no idea what you think would be a good idea re US military response to this, knowing the reality of the situation.

The only thing I have seen you post that suggested anything was a deployment of two squadrons to Ukraine territory, which is an insane idea.

18 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Off and on, yes. Now it's on. 

 

 

What? What is this suppose to mean? 

 

Maybe UNICEF should stop it, also? 👩‍🎓

 

UNICEF and other corrupt aid functions of the UN have nothing to do with this.

They got this thing called the Security Council.

They had their usual debate meeting yesterday and did nothing in the face of blind aggression------again.

[Tiberius]

6 minutes ago, sherpa said:

 

No.

On and on for decades.

It's Seventh Fleet's main area of operation.

We have had a carrier permanently based in Japan since Oct 1973 to handle this area, and other west coast based carriers augment it.

Been going on since the end of WWII.

 

That bit of reality aside, I have no idea what you think would be a good idea re US military response to this, knowing the reality of the situation.

The only thing I have seen you post that suggested anything was a deployment of two squadrons to Ukraine territory, which is an insane idea.

 

UNICEF and other corrupt aid functions of the UN have nothing to do with this.

They got this thing called the Security Council.

They had their usual debate meeting yesterday and did nothing in the face of blind aggression------again.

I quests China shouldn’t be upset then, but they are. 

 

You brought up UN, not me 

[BillStime]

1 hour ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

This has nothing to do with helping GOP and everything to do with Biden being a total failure. The irony is how he enriched his own family off of the regime he has since abandoned. 
 

As for now? No I don’t want this incompetent administration spending any American lives, they aren’t bright enough to make it matter. 

 

I didn't know Biden was invading Ukraine.  So strange.

 

 

[sherpa]

2 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

I quests China shouldn’t be upset then, but they are. 

 

You brought up UN, not me 

 

China being "upset" is a non event.

We have been operating in the South China Sea forever.

Regarding the UN, I brought it up to point out another example of it's historical uselessness in fulfilling its primary goal.

You are the one who threw the red herring UNICEF into it. Humanitarian offices have nothing to do with this.

The Security Council does.

 

Again, what do you propose that the US and/or NATO do, militarily, to solve this?

[Chef Jim]

I imagine this has been brought up several times but if Trump was Purim’s stooge why did he wait until Trump was gone to pull this? 

[Tiberius]

Just now, sherpa said:

 

China being "upset" is a non event.

We have been operating in the South China Sea forever.

Regarding the UN, I brought it up to point out another example of it's historical uselessness in fulfilling its primary goal.

You are the one who threw the red herring UNICEF into it. Humanitarian offices have nothing to do with this.

The Security Council does.

 

Again, what do you propose that the US and/or NATO do, militarily, to solve this?

So Biden is doing his job in regards to China there then and not backing down as claimed 

 

UN primary goal is to stop a brutal dictator from attacking his neighbor? Not sure about that. Maybe it plays a role, but to say it’s a failure because aggression still happens is like blaming a doctor when people get sick 

[Chef Jim]

3 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

So Biden is doing his job in regards to China there then and not backing down as claimed 

 

UN primary goal is to stop a brutal dictator from attacking his neighbor? Not sure about that. Maybe it plays a role, but to say it’s a failure because aggression still happens is like blaming a doctor when people get sick 

The UN’s goal?  Let’s see now.  Who is head of the UN Security Council this month?  🤔

[BillStime]

10 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

I imagine this has been brought up several times but if Trump was Purim’s stooge why did he wait until Trump was gone to pull this? 

 

It would have DESTROYED Trumps reelection prospects...duh.

 

It was imperative Putin get Trump reelected so that Trump could officially destroy NATO and hand Putin the keys to Kyiv.

 

 

 

[All_Pro_Bills]

48 minutes ago, BillStime said:

Like passing laws to suppress the vote? Banning history and books? Like passing laws against LGTBQ?  Controlling women's bodies?

 

Yea we know all about what you think is unfit.

 

 

Nice try.  Isolating pockets of resistance to the left's agenda and control which you blow up and magnify into some systemic threat.

3 minutes ago, BillStime said:

 

It would have DESTROYED Trumps reelection prospects...duh.

 

It was imperative Putin get Trump reelected so that Trump could officially destroy NATO and hand Putin the keys to Kyiv.

 

 

 

Illogical speculation and factually unsupported.  But when has that ever stopped you from invoking Trump?

[sherpa]

8 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

So Biden is doing his job in regards to China there then and not backing down as claimed 

 

UN primary goal is to stop a brutal dictator from attacking his neighbor? Not sure about that. Maybe it plays a role, but to say it’s a failure because aggression still happens is like blaming a doctor when people get sick 

 

Good Lord.

Biden isn't doing anything different re the South China Sea that hasn't been going on since the 40's.

It's simply that people like you either don't know it, or grasp the rhetoric the administration spews out and think its "something."

 

And ya....The UN was conceived as an international body that prevents aggression.

All of its other offices/missions were created after that, are ancillary, and are primarily jobs programs "service" renders.

 

Total failure, with the one single exception of being the most dense spy population on US soil. 

 

For the third time, what is your military proposal?

 

[SoCal Deek]

20 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

I imagine this has been brought up several times but if Trump was Purim’s stooge why did he wait until Trump was gone to pull this? 

Purim? 😉 This is really getting complicated. I can’t keep up with all the actors in this comedy/tragedy. 

[Tiberius]

1 minute ago, sherpa said:

 

Good Lord.

Biden isn't doing anything different re the South China Sea that hasn't been going on since the 40's.

It's simply that people like you either don't know it, or grasp the rhetoric the administration spews out and think its "something."

 

And ya....The UN was conceived as an international body that prevents aggression.

All of its other offices/missions were created after that, are ancillary, and are primarily jobs programs "service" renders.

 

Total failure, with the one single exception of being the most dense spy population on US soil. 

 

For the third time, what is your military proposal?

 

Calling on God for help now? Keep up with the argument. Biden was appeasing China. I don't see it

 

And UN a total failure? LOL How many more democratic/republics are there now than when it was founded?? 

 

My military proposal would never get through Congress, but I would involve the USAF in this somehow. You have to stand up to bullies 

 

What is your solution? 

 

 

[Chef Jim]

8 minutes ago, BillStime said:

 

It would have DESTROYED Trumps reelection prospects...duh.

 

It was imperative Putin get Trump reelected so that Trump could officially destroy NATO and hand Putin the keys to Kyiv.

 

 

 

So Putin didn’t get Trump re-elected but Putin was handed the keys to Kyiv anway?  
 

So based on your insane brain we can come to the logical conclusion that Biden handed over the keys?  

2 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Purim? 😉 This is really getting complicated. I can’t keep up with all the actors in this comedy/tragedy. 

Hard to type on the treadmill.  See if you were as successful as me you could be at the gym at 8am on a Tuesday. It is Tuesday right?  🤷🏻‍♂️

[BillStime]

5 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

So Putin didn’t get Trump re-elected but Putin was handed the keys to Kyiv anway?  
 

So based on your insane brain we can come to the logical conclusion that Biden handed over the keys?  

Hard to type on the treadmill.  See if you were as successful as me you could be at the gym at 8am on a Tuesday. It is Tuesday right?  🤷🏻‍♂️

 

Oh, wait, you didn't like the obvious answer that was provided? 

 

Because if you think Putin didn't ***** Ukraine while Trump was president because Trump was hard on Putin (LMAO) as you are obviously implying - I have some ocean front property in Kansas that I'd like to sell you.

 

Idiots. 

 

[wnyguy]

5 minutes ago, BillStime said:

 

Oh, wait, you didn't like the obvious answer that was provided? 

 

Because if you think Putin didn't ***** Ukraine while Trump was president because Trump was hard on Putin (LMAO) as you are obviously implying - I have some ocean front property in Kansas that I'd like to sell you.

 

Idiots. 

 

is that in western Kansas or eastern?

[Chef Jim]

10 minutes ago, BillStime said:

 

Oh, wait, you didn't like the obvious answer that was provided? 

 

Because if you think Putin didn't ***** Ukraine while Trump was president because Trump was hard on Putin (LMAO) as you are obviously implying - I have some ocean front property in Kansas that I'd like to sell you.

 

Idiots. 

 

I typically don’t take answers from psychotics. Delusion is classic Psychotic behavior. 
 

So what I’m implying is you’re a nut job and you display that every day here. 

[Demongyz]

39 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

The UN’s goal?  Let’s see now.  Who is head of the UN Security Council this month?  🤔

It doesn't matter, Russia is on the council and has veto power.  Not that the UN is worth a damn.

 

Fact is Biden says he won't do anything if Putin just inserts the tip, so that's what Putin is doing.

[sherpa]

19 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Calling on God for help now? Keep up with the argument. Biden was appeasing China. I don't see it

 

And UN a total failure? LOL How many more democratic/republics are there now than when it was founded?? 

 

My military proposal would never get through Congress, but I would involve the USAF in this somehow. You have to stand up to bullies 

 

What is your solution? 

 

 

 

Great solution.

Involve the "USAF in this somehow."

I don't think you have any idea of what would be involved here, but I'm pretty sure what you seem to think, but not elucidate, would start WWIII, and I'm quite certain you don't have a bit of knowledge of capability or realistic strategy.

 

[Demongyz]

18 minutes ago, BillStime said:

 

Oh, wait, you didn't like the obvious answer that was provided? 

 

Because if you think Putin didn't ***** Ukraine while Trump was president because Trump was hard on Putin (LMAO) as you are obviously implying - I have some ocean front property in Kansas that I'd like to sell you.

 

Idiots. 

 

I'm liking how you sign your name at the end of your post, I think I'll start doing so as well.

 

Demon

[All_Pro_Bills]

4 minutes ago, Demongyz said:

It doesn't matter, Russia is on the council and has veto power.  Not that the UN is worth a damn.

 

Fact is Biden says he won't do anything if Putin just inserts the tip, so that's what Putin is doing.

From an investing type site called AdventuresInCaptialism.com where the writer boils it down to simple language from an economic perspective.

 

"Biden tried to screw with Putin. Putin showed Biden that geopolitics is a game that only adults should play. Ball is now in Biden’s court after Putin snagged 2 provinces that absolutely no one else wanted.

 

What can Biden do? Maybe he can issue some more sanctions? Maybe he goes and cries to the UN?? He’s not going to start a war over these provinces. Biden has been had.

 

What happens when the sanctions hit?? Ask yourself, where do palladium, nickel, natural gas, oil, uranium, grain, fertilizer and a bunch of other goods we depend upon come from?? Yeah, the guys that Biden wants to sanction. What do you think sanctions do to inflation? There’s an election coming up in November and it already looks like Biden gets steamrolled. Does he want to make it even worse?? Literally no one in Europe wants any part of this train-wreck that Biden started. They all need Putin’s energy far more than they need our politics.

 

As you can guess, these sanctions are going nowhere. We need these goods, and Europe needs the gas even worse. Inflation is already roaring. There is no Biden plan from here. He never had a plan."

[Doc]

1 hour ago, Chef Jim said:

I imagine this has been brought up several times but if Trump was Purim’s stooge why did he wait until Trump was gone to pull this? 

 

Because Putin was waiting to see if Trump was just going to hand it over to him.  He didn’t. Bad puppet.  

Edited February 22, 2022 by Doc

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

29 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

From an investing type site called AdventuresInCaptialism.com where the writer boils it down to simple language from an economic perspective.

 

"Biden tried to screw with Putin. Putin showed Biden that geopolitics is a game that only adults should play. Ball is now in Biden’s court after Putin snagged 2 provinces that absolutely no one else wanted.

 

What can Biden do? Maybe he can issue some more sanctions? Maybe he goes and cries to the UN?? He’s not going to start a war over these provinces. Biden has been had.

 

What happens when the sanctions hit?? Ask yourself, where do palladium, nickel, natural gas, oil, uranium, grain, fertilizer and a bunch of other goods we depend upon come from?? Yeah, the guys that Biden wants to sanction. What do you think sanctions do to inflation? There’s an election coming up in November and it already looks like Biden gets steamrolled. Does he want to make it even worse?? Literally no one in Europe wants any part of this train-wreck that Biden started. They all need Putin’s energy far more than they need our politics.

 

As you can guess, these sanctions are going nowhere. We need these goods, and Europe needs the gas even worse. Inflation is already roaring. There is no Biden plan from here. He never had a plan."

Is it any surprise a guy who spent 50 years in Washington getting absolutely nothing done repping one of the trashiest states in the union has messed up everything he’s put his hands on?? 

[Chef Jim]

58 minutes ago, Demongyz said:

I'm liking how you sign your name at the end of your post, I think I'll start doing so as well.

 

Demon

 

It's plural.  It's the group he belongs to. 

[BillStime]

 

[B-Man]

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Tiberius]

3 hours ago, sherpa said:

 

Great solution.

Involve the "USAF in this somehow."

I don't think you have any idea of what would be involved here, but I'm pretty sure what you seem to think, but not elucidate, would start WWIII, and I'm quite certain you don't have a bit of knowledge of capability or realistic strategy.

 

Oh, too cowardly to give us your solution? You asked, I said what I’d do.  What do you got for us? Aside from insulting your better. 

 

 

Nothing works without at least the threat of force. Go hide under your bed if you are afraid to stand up because  WWIII, sure do nothing. And the next time this punk comes for something, turn the other cheek. Because “WWIII”