Lenigmusx Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 (edited) In the past the personnel groupings in the linebacker room coupled with pass first opponents have really made this a moot point. However this season, especially with Tre’s injury, I think Frazier needs to mix in some true 4-3 and even 4-4 packages. I think that a combo of: Wallace, Hyde, Poyer, Johnson Klein, Edmonds, Milano Epenesa, Star, Oliver, Rousseau Or Wallace, Poyer, Neal (speed Klein, Edmonds, Milano,Hughes(Hyde) Epenesa, Star, Oliver, Rousseau I think these groupings would go a long way to shutting down the run first teams. Every 4-3 “D” has similar personnel groupings and doesn’t always run these nickel packages and weird 5-2 combos. D Line Gap integrity and LB’s running down hill are how to stop the run at every level of Football. This is something that could make the D elite. The personnel are there!!! Edited November 28, 2021 by Lenigmusx 2 4 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Quint Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 Maybe they have just been waiting for the perfect time to unveil that. It'd be crazy if it happened right after you made the thread! 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 I’m not sure about whether it’d be to stop the run or simply to put your best players on the field. With Tre out, the coaching staff needs to decide if it’s better to add Klein, a back up LB, or Dane Jackson, a back up CB to the starting roster. It’s just that simple. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 44 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: I’m not sure about whether it’d be to stop the run or simply to put your best players on the field. With Tre out, the coaching staff needs to decide if it’s better to add Klein, a back up LB, or Dane Jackson, a back up CB to the starting roster. It’s just that simple. Not really. You want two CBs playing. In preseason, if I recall correctly, Johnson did not look so good as a boundry CB. So to put Klein on the field, you need to take Johnson off AND have Dane Jackson playing. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 The Bills are top 5 against the run already. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delirious Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 1 minute ago, MJS said: The Bills are top 5 against the run already. Terrible take. When that stat actually mattered against forealz run heavy teams (Titans and Colts), they were no-shows. 3 2 3 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 Just now, delirious said: Terrible take. When that stat actually mattered against forealz run heavy teams (Titans and Colts), they were no-shows. It's not a terrible take, or a "take" at all. It's the truth. The Bills are top 5 in yards per game and yards per attempt. And the fans come on here and spout nonsense about having 1 CB on the field or moving our nickel corner to the boundary? It shows a hilarious lack of understanding of how football works. 6 5 1 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 I’m sure I’m thinking of this too simplistically, but why not have our Gameday Active DL be the following: Outside: Hughes, Addison, Rousseau, Epenesa Inside: Star, Oliver, Bryant, Ankou Inside/Outside Obada OR Basham Butler seems useless with effort issues. Harry displays effort, but he just isn’t consistent enough. Keep the Base Nickel Defense as is, but make sure we have multiple big bodies on the inside. It also allows Oliver to wreck shop on the opposing OL. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 5 minutes ago, MJS said: It's not a terrible take, or a "take" at all. It's the truth. The Bills are top 5 in yards per game and yards per attempt. And the fans come on here and spout nonsense about having 1 CB on the field or moving our nickel corner to the boundary? It shows a hilarious lack of understanding of how football works. No it just proves the addage there are statistics and there are lies. Yes they are top 5 against the rush. But the opponents they have played have terrible offenses. They could not handle Tenn or Indianapolis. New England is not in their league though so hopefully Bills D will do the job. 5 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 9 minutes ago, MJS said: It's not a terrible take, or a "take" at all. It's the truth. The Bills are top 5 in yards per game and yards per attempt. And the fans come on here and spout nonsense about having 1 CB on the field or moving our nickel corner to the boundary? It shows a hilarious lack of understanding of how football works. Agree. The second the offense sees one CB on the field there will be a audible to a pass play and someone will be wide open for a big play. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikemac2001 Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 26 minutes ago, delirious said: Terrible take. When that stat actually mattered against forealz run heavy teams (Titans and Colts), they were no-shows. Against the top 2 backs this year dumb 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delirious Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 43 minutes ago, mikemac2001 said: Against the top 2 backs this year dumb What are backs without a OLine? The Bills historically tend to do bad against big offensive lines that are mauling. "2 top backs this year" is an excuse. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 1 hour ago, delirious said: Terrible take. When that stat actually mattered against forealz run heavy teams (Titans and Colts), they were no-shows. Yeah, no-shows against the Colts. Star and Edmunds. Total no-shows, it was like they weren't even on the field. Oh, wait, they didn't actually play. No wonder they were no-shows. As for the Titans, they had that one long long run, but except for that one play, which appeared to be greatly due to Hyde taking a bad angle, the Bills were actually pretty decent against the run. Not great, certainly, and you can't just pretend that the big play didn't happen. But you absolutely can say that for most of the game they were not destroyed by the run. They were certainly not no-shows. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delirious Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 1 hour ago, MJS said: It's not a terrible take, or a "take" at all. It's the truth. The Bills are top 5 in yards per game and yards per attempt. And the fans come on here and spout nonsense about having 1 CB on the field or moving our nickel corner to the boundary? It shows a hilarious lack of understanding of how football works. The Bills also have one of the easiest schedules this year. So I don't put much weight in that. But power to you 4 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said: Yeah, no-shows against the Colts. Star and Edmunds. Total no-shows, it was like they weren't even on the field. Oh, wait, they didn't actually play. No wonder they were no-shows. As for the Titans, they had that one long long run, but except for that one play, which appeared to be greatly due to Hyde taking a bad angle, the Bills were actually pretty decent against the run. Not great, certainly, and you can't just pretend that the big play didn't happen. But you absolutely can say that for most of the game they were not destroyed by the run. They were certainly not no-shows. Oh right, star and Edmunds are the saviors. We'll just ignore all the other games where big offensive lines dominated us. They help, but in their years on this team, there are more than just a game or two where we've gotten ran all over. 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 1 hour ago, MJS said: The Bills are top 5 against the run already. 1 hour ago, delirious said: Terrible take. When that stat actually mattered against forealz run heavy teams (Titans and Colts), they were no-shows. It's just easy to say, "the Bills can't run the ball and they can't stop the run." Kind of like it was easy to say, "Josh Allen is inaccurate." Welcome to www.lazynarratives.com 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delirious Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 Just now, Gugny said: It's just easy to say, "the Bills can't run the ball and they can't stop the run." Kind of like it was easy to say, "Josh Allen is inaccurate." Welcome to www.lazynarratives.com I'm not saying they can't stop the run. There's nuance, and just throwing up a stat that doesn't accurately reflect a team that historically does bad against big mauling type offensive lines and having the one of the easiest schedules this year is the lazy take. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 why don't they run a 9-4 package? the have the personnel.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 3 hours ago, Lenigmusx said: In the past the personnel groupings in the linebacker room coupled with pass first opponents have really made this a moot point. However this season, especially with Tre’s injury, I think Frazier needs to mix in some true 4-3 and even 4-4 packages. I think that a combo of: Wallace, Hyde, Poyer, Johnson Klein, Edmonds, Milano Epenesa, Star, Oliver, Rousseau Or Wallace, Poyer, Neal (speed Klein, Edmonds, Milano,Hughes(Hyde) Epenesa, Star, Oliver, Rousseau I think these groupings would go a long way to shutting down the run first teams. Every 4-3 “D” has similar personnel groupings and doesn’t always run these nickel packages and weird 5-2 combos. D Line Gap integrity and LB’s running down hill are how to stop the run at every level of Football. This is something that could make the D elite. The personnel are there!!! He was saving this for NE😎 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 1 minute ago, delirious said: I'm not saying they can't stop the run. There's nuance, and just throwing up a stat that doesn't accurately reflect a team that historically does bad against big mauling type offensive lines and having the one of the easiest schedules this year is the lazy take. And simply saying "they were no-shows" against the Titans and the Colts is a lazy take 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delirious Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 1 minute ago, billsfan1959 said: And simply saying "they were no-shows" against the Titans and the Colts is a lazy take It's hyperbole, if you'd like me to use a more descript name, then fine. They struggled. Satisfied? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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