Truth or Scare ?

[T master]

Just something to think about . Let me say i am in no way saying that the virus isn't real and hasn't changed our world as we know it because it has and some families lives have been changed for ever because of it and it can be very dangerous to some but how much of it is truth or scare ?

 

I think there is definitely something to think about in this ...

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lFlDSPAcmU

[Doc]

It's known that they sorely over-counted Wuhan virus deaths.  Mainly because all other forms of death practically vanished.

[716er]

[JaCrispy]

Funny how all the initial misinformation benefited the fear mongering media and government...

 

You wanna know why there is vaccine hesitancy? Crap like this...you can’t really trust anyone or anything anymore...sad...

[Orlando Tim]

This past summer I visited NY and we were supposed to see my wife's 25 year old physically fit cousin who declined to meet us because we were not vaccinated. We had no symptoms, she is vaccinated, but her paranoia was so strong she could not be in the same area of us even though we offered to only talk on the back deck area of the home we were staying in. That is an unreasonable fear.

[Wacka]

This vaccine in no different than ANY other vaccine. Our family was fully vaccinated and me, my brother and mother caught what we believe was the Delta strain. Nothing to do with the vaccine. The virus mutated and the vaccine was ineffective against delta. That is just  biology. Just like the flu mutates ever year. My brother had no symptoms, but was positive. I had  mild flu like symptoms. I have been much sicker from the flu in the past. 

 

 

[SoCal Deek]

1 hour ago, Wacka said:

This vaccine in no different than ANY other vaccine. Our family was fully vaccinated and me, my brother and mother caught what we believe was the Delta strain. Nothing to do with the vaccine. The virus mutated and the vaccine was ineffective against delta. That is just  biology. Just like the flu mutates ever year. My brother had no symptoms, but was positive. I had  mild flu like symptoms. I have been much sicker from the flu in the past. 

 

 

Just stop already. Don’t you know EVERYONE needs to comply…everyone! 

[Albwan]

Leftism is a dangerous religious like cult. 

It's a fact. They will say and do anything in their zealous quest for power.

This is pretty much Jim Jones feeding kool-aid to fools from paper cups at this point.

[BillStime]

1 hour ago, Albwan said:

Leftism is a dangerous religious like cult. 

It's a fact. They will say and do anything in their zealous quest for power.

This is pretty much Jim Jones feeding kool-aid to fools from paper cups at this point.

 

[T master]

8 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

Just stop already. Don’t you know EVERYONE needs to comply…everyone! 

 

Every one is Bit**ing about Texas putting a abortion law in place because it's a women body and should be their choice not the gov't but this is different WHY ??? Because they sque the results to make us think we need to ?

 

If they would have been honest from the beginning and not bloated the numbers it would be different . 

 

Here's another question if you get covid and the natural antibodies are 13 to 27 times stronger why do they keep pushing it for those that have had covid ? 

 

But every one must comply commandant Zig Hile ...

Edited October 5, 2021 by T master

[TSOL]

The virus seems far less deadly when you dont watch the news. 

[SoCal Deek]

14 minutes ago, TSOL said:

The virus seems far less deadly when you dont watch the news. 

You mean you're NOT stepping over dead bodies piled up in the street?  Really?  Go figure!

[JaCrispy]

Welcome to the rebellion! 👍

[Sundancer]

5 hours ago, JaCrispy said:

Welcome to the rebellion! 👍

 

Rebelling against science. Americans leading the March back to the Middle Ages. Bravo. 

[oldmanfan]

First an OAN video doesn’t inspire my confidence.  Second, there is data indicating natural immunity gives protection, but to get that protection you have to get Covid and thus risk dying from the disease.  Third, not all who get Covid mount a robust immune reaction whereas they do after vaccination. 
 

I would be all for people who have mounted a solid immune response to either not need a vaccine or perhaps get one shot of the mRNA vaccine as a booster; I think Israel is doing that.  What you’d really need to have though for each patient is a measure of their memory B cell response and their T cell immunity, not just a simple antibody test.  Those are what would confer long lasting protection.

 

As for supposedy counting deaths wrong, no.  Let’s say you have a heart condition but are managing it well.  But you get Covid.  Covid causes dramatic changes to your vasculature and thus your heart gives out.  That is a death caused by Covid, not because you had heart disease.

[Doc Brown]

22 hours ago, Wacka said:

This vaccine in no different than ANY other vaccine. Our family was fully vaccinated and me, my brother and mother caught what we believe was the Delta strain. Nothing to do with the vaccine. The virus mutated and the vaccine was ineffective against delta. That is just  biology. Just like the flu mutates ever year. My brother had no symptoms, but was positive. I had  mild flu like symptoms. I have been much sicker from the flu in the past. 

Completely ineffective?  Do you think it helped at all as far as symptoms and deaths are concerned for the vaccinated who caught the Delta variant? 

[JaCrispy]

4 hours ago, Sundancer said:

 

Rebelling against science. Americans leading the March back to the Middle Ages. Bravo. 

No...rebelling against the oppression of science and natural immunity 👍

 

Natural immunity has been proven stronger and longer lasting than the vaccine over and over...Now we have Big Pharma scientists confirming the same...

 

Yet Fauci and our government want to threaten people into getting vaccinated, even if they are naturally immune...why? What’s the reasoning behind this?

 

And why do we have to stumble across this information? Why are our leaders withholding this knowledge from the public, about natural immunity? Why are they trying to censor this information?

 

Do you see where I am coming from? Does any of this make sense to you?

Edited October 6, 2021 by JaCrispy

[SoCal Deek]

Soilant Green is People. 

[JaCrispy]

Just now, SoCal Deek said:

Soilant Green is People. 

Huh?

[SoCal Deek]

Just now, JaCrispy said:

Huh?

Never seen the movie? 

[JaCrispy]

1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said:

Never seen the movie? 

Was that the name of the movie or a quote?

[SoCal Deek]

1 minute ago, JaCrispy said:

Was that the name of the movie or a quote?

Soylent Green 

A classic! 

Charlton Heston

1973

 

[JaCrispy]

1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said:

Soylent Green 

A classic! 

Charlton Heston

1973

 

Ahh, nice...I like Heston 👍

[SoCal Deek]

4 minutes ago, JaCrispy said:

Ahh, nice...I like Heston 👍

If you do nothing else this Sunday afternoon while waiting for the Bills game to start, watch the movie. You’ll understand the parallels to the current level of Covid discourse. 

[All_Pro_Bills]

4 hours ago, Sundancer said:

 

Rebelling against science. Americans leading the March back to the Middle Ages. Bravo. 

I think it boils down to most people making a rational risk assessment of the situation and concluding the lock downs, restrictions, and political edicts are a bigger threat and risk to their social and economic well-being and safety than the virus. 

 

       

[Wacka]

2 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

Completely ineffective?  Do you think it helped at all as far as symptoms and deaths are concerned for the vaccinated who caught the Delta variant? 

Did I say completely? Might have helped but we don't know. I have read that Delta is more easily caught but tnot as severe as  the original strain. Sorry if I'm not clear,  please remember what I had to go through the last three weeks.

[JaCrispy]

1 minute ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

I think it boils down to most people making a rational risk assessment of the situation and concluding the lock downs, restrictions, and political edicts are a bigger threat and risk to their social and economic well-being and safety than the virus. 

 

       

Ding ding ding!!!

 

Could not have said it better myself...well done sir! 👍

[SoCal Deek]

13 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

I think it boils down to most people making a rational risk assessment of the situation and concluding the lock downs, restrictions, and political edicts are a bigger threat and risk to their social and economic well-being and safety than the virus. 

 

       

We’ll said…but I’ll add to it. If the Biden Administration REALLY wanted to end the pandemic they’d do the simple things first; like change the messenger. Tell Dr Doom his time is done and get a new National spokesperson for the effort. But no….that’s be too simple. We need to keep people divided. Great job Joe! What a clown.

[All_Pro_Bills]

18 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

We’ll said…but I’ll add to it. If the Biden Administration REALLY wanted to end the pandemic they’d do the simple things first; like change the messenger. Tell Dr Doom his time is done and get a new National spokesperson for the effort. But no….that’s be too simple. We need to keep people divided. Great job Joe! What a clown.

Until Dr. Fauci is no longer useful to the administration I expect he will stay put.  This relationship seems similar to the consultancy model companies use when they go through periodic reorganization and force reduction activities.  Management needs to make changes so they contract out to "experts" to assess and provide recommendations.  "Sorry we had to eliminate your job or your organization but credentialed experts studied the situation and we need to act on their expert recommendations".   Fauci provides similar cover as a credentialed medical expect.  Sorry we had to lock you in your basement for 6 months but the experts told us that would be best and we need to follow the science.  Plausible deniability.  So they can say I'm not imposing draconian lock downs on you, its the science, as defined by experts. 

In truth what they are following is the subjective opinions of specific experts, while ignoring other experts and non-confirming facts that might differ, and not really science or medical facts.     

Edited October 6, 2021 by All_Pro_Bills

[SoCal Deek]

1 hour ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

Until Dr. Fauci is no longer useful to the administration I expect he will stay put.  This relationship seems similar to the consultancy model companies use when they go through periodic reorganization and force reduction activities.  Management needs to make changes so they contract out to "experts" to assess and provide recommendations.  "Sorry we had to eliminate your job or your organization but credentialed experts studied the situation and we need to act on their expert recommendations".   Fauci provides similar cover as a credentialed medical expect.  Sorry we had to lock you in your basement for 6 months but the experts told us that would be best and we need to follow the science.  Plausible deniability.  So they can say I'm not imposing draconian lock downs on you, its the science, as defined by experts. 

In truth what they are following is the subjective opinions of specific experts, while ignoring other experts and non-confirming facts that might differ, and not really science or medical facts.     

It’s WAY WAY worse than that. Biden and his socialist clan WANT the division to continue. It’s the stepping stool they plan on using to bring the clamps down on a free people for all manner of coming mandates. This is not an act of omission. It’s a blatant act of commission! 

[Sundancer]

4 hours ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

I think it boils down to most people making a rational risk assessment of the situation and concluding the lock downs, restrictions, and political edicts are a bigger threat and risk to their social and economic well-being and safety than the virus. 

 

       

What does your doctor recommend?

 

Or do you to Beach’s doctor who recommends his friends not get the vaccine and hides his vaccine status? Beach also has a girlfriend but she lives in Canada and he sees her when he’s on summer break. 

[Wacka]

4 hours ago, JaCrispy said:

Was that the name of the movie or a quote?

IfI remember correctly, the final line of the movie.

[SoCal Deek]

48 minutes ago, Wacka said:

IfI remember correctly, the final line of the movie.

A classic! 

 

I'm just sitting back now, while all the people scream at and past each other over vaccine mandates.  Nobody is convincing anyone. Not one mind is being changed.  What is the point of all this wasted time?  Can Joe Biden get off his lazy butt, put some actual work and time into the problem so as to move the discussion from a total stalemate?  Answer:  apparently not!

[plenzmd1]

3 hours ago, Sundancer said:

What does your doctor recommend?

 

Or do you to Beach’s doctor who recommends his friends not get the vaccine and hides his vaccine status? Beach also has a girlfriend but she lives in Canada and he sees her when he’s on summer break. 

My doctor recommends  some things I dismiss, including taking statins and one ortho who insisted I needed shoulder surgery which I nixed and rehabbed instead with exercises I found online. 
 

Doctors are not omniscient , and several have differing opinions on several subjects. 
 

People should certainly weigh what their doctors say carefully, but also do their own research and make their own health decisions.  

Edited October 6, 2021 by plenzmd1

[Doc]

12 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

First an OAN video doesn’t inspire my confidence.  Second, there is data indicating natural immunity gives protection, but to get that protection you have to get Covid and thus risk dying from the disease.  Third, not all who get Covid mount a robust immune reaction whereas they do after vaccination. 
 

I would be all for people who have mounted a solid immune response to either not need a vaccine or perhaps get one shot of the mRNA vaccine as a booster; I think Israel is doing that.  What you’d really need to have though for each patient is a measure of their memory B cell response and their T cell immunity, not just a simple antibody test.  Those are what would confer long lasting protection.

 

As for supposedy counting deaths wrong, no.  Let’s say you have a heart condition but are managing it well.  But you get Covid.  Covid causes dramatic changes to your vasculature and thus your heart gives out.  That is a death caused by Covid, not because you had heart disease.

 

Those who don't mount a robust immune reaction after getting Wuhan virus probably won't after getting the vaccine either.

[Sundancer]

5 hours ago, plenzmd1 said:

My doctor recommends  some things I dismiss, including taking statins and one ortho who insisted I needed shoulder surgery which I nixed and rehabbed instead with exercises I found online. 
 

Doctors are not omniscient , and several have differing opinions on several subjects. 
 

People should certainly weigh what their doctors say carefully, but also do their own research and make their own health decisions.  

Cool cool. Lots of doctors recommending patients skip the vaccine? And yours? 
 

Ignoring doctors sounds like the perfect path to healthy living. 

[plenzmd1]

6 hours ago, Sundancer said:

Cool cool. Lots of doctors recommending patients skip the vaccine? And yours? 
 

Ignoring doctors sounds like the perfect path to healthy living. 

Doing your own research , with all the options available to you today, and making decisions in conjunction with your doctor sounds like the path to take to me. 
 

Do you  not believe in 2nd opinions? Do you blindly follow every doctor you have ever seen? 
 

do you know what they call the guy who was last in their class at med school? 

[Sundancer]

2 hours ago, plenzmd1 said:

Doing your own research , with all the options available to you today, and making decisions in conjunction with your doctor sounds like the path to take to me. 
 

Do you  not believe in 2nd opinions? Do you blindly follow every doctor you have ever seen? 
 

do you know what they call the guy who was last in their class at med school? 

What does your doctor and every doctor besides Beach’s doctor, who gives shadow recommendations, recommend? 
 

Your Twitter research is cute and a uniquely American response to the pandemic. 

[unbillievable]

Has the internet made universities obsolete?

[plenzmd1]

2 hours ago, Sundancer said:

What does your doctor and every doctor besides Beach’s doctor, who gives shadow recommendations, recommend? 
 

Your Twitter research is cute and a uniquely American response to the pandemic. 

So, let me get this straight. You  just blindly do everything that any doctor recommends you do? Do you understand the litigious society we live in? Do you think any doctor is going to expose themselves in regards to this vaccine? 

 

Let me tell you from experience, Docs always default to meds or surgery, its easy and it insulates them from litigation. I know from years of experience with my son...you do understand with the  ADHD meds, they have no clue why they work and what the long term affects will be of sustained. prolonged  use of stimulants...and yet its the first and most often only solution pediatricians will recommend for ADHD. 

 

About May of 2020, i had an ortho tell me the damage to my shoulder could only be fixed with an expensive surgery with several months of post surgery rehab. I researched the injury, exercises and equipment i could use to rehab...and what do ya know my shoulder is just fine today.

 

I have also had docs tell me my SI joint dysfunction needed surgery as only option...and what do you know, strength exercises i researched online and  the occasional chiro visit and i manage just fine

 

And yes, i am thankful the internet exists and it affords us layman the ability to dig in and find out what may be best for ourselves and families, and not blindly follow a doctor.

 

But god bless you think they are infallible.