Doc Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 1 minute ago, DolFAN93 said: I think you care about Flores' stance more than Tua lol. Again, he didn't have faith almost a year ago. Thoughts change, players improve. What do you think about your team's pursuit of Watson? Sorry if you answered earlier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DolFAN93 Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 2 hours ago, BuffaloBills1998 said: I bet a 100 bucks both Flores and Grier don’t last past this season. Both look extremely incompetent since this whole Watson rumor started. You can tell it’s becoming a distraction in their locker room How can one tell this is becoming a distraction in the locker room? Yall just be saying anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DolFAN93 Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 Just now, Doc said: What do you think about your team's pursuit of Watson? Sorry if you answered earlier. I think if the price was right they'd make the trade. Grier, and especially Flores, do not care about perception and rules that most teams abide by. The only reason that I think it didn't happen already is again the allegations, the price is too high, and the fact that Flores has taken a liking to Tua. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coastie Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 (edited) I'm not closing the books on Tua yet but it has to be this year he shows he is more than an average starter. It I had to play a bet, it would be on not enough. But I'll give him this year to see. Edited September 9, 2021 by Coastie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan619 Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 3 hours ago, BuffaloBills1998 said: I bet a 100 bucks both Flores and Grier don’t last past this season. Both look extremely incompetent since this whole Watson rumor started. You can tell it’s becoming a distraction in their locker room Really? Why do you feel that way? Besides the Tua situation, he really has brought respectability to Miami. And, sometimes the mark of a leader, is how they navigate through a toxic time. Any team at some point is going to have some toxicity and hard moments. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 18 minutes ago, DolFAN93 said: I think if the price was right they'd make the trade. Grier, and especially Flores, do not care about perception and rules that most teams abide by. The only reason that I think it didn't happen already is again the allegations, the price is too high, and the fact that Flores has taken a liking to Tua. So the character of the person doesn't matter, just winning football games does? 3 minutes ago, BillsFan619 said: Really? Why do you feel that way? Besides the Tua situation, he really has brought respectability to Miami. And, sometimes the mark of a leader, is how they navigate through a toxic time. Any team at some point is going to have some toxicity and hard moments. It could be "playoffs or bust" this season for them. They were close last year and added more talent in the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DolFAN93 Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Doc said: So the character of the person doesn't matter, just winning football games does? I may be mistaken but did Deshaun have character issues prior to the allegations? My apologies if you're not referring to Watson. Edited September 9, 2021 by DolFAN93 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Buffalo Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 1 minute ago, DolFAN93 said: I may be mistaken but did Deshaun have character issues prior to the allegations? I realize on a different level but Bill Cosby did not have character issues either until he went to jail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 3 minutes ago, DolFAN93 said: I may be mistaken but did Deshaun have character issues prior to the allegations? My apologies if you're not referring to Watson. How does that change things? It's one thing to draft a guy and have these allegations pop up. It's another to know they're out there and then give up a lot to get him just because you're desperate to win games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsShredder83 Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 Has anyone seen or heard anything at the possibility of these girls being escorts? It's wild, but I think it's the 2nd most reasonable solution if he didn't do what he's being accused of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 1 hour ago, Doc said: What do you think about your team's pursuit of Watson? Sorry if you answered earlier. I want to know his thoughts on his team signing Bobby Hart? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 5 hours ago, LeGOATski said: Being vocal isn't being a leader. Isaiah McKenzie is one of the most vocal and likeable guys on the Bills, but I don't think anyone is questioning why he's not a captain. It's not weird at all. On the other hand, you barely ever hear Edmunds talk unless it's calling the plays on defense. But he's a captain. Again not weird. The QB is supposed to be a leader. You'd hope Tua would already be taking that role after his rookie year and considering he was a two year starter at Alabama. Are QBs allowed to talk at Alabama? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 7 hours ago, BillsFan619 said: Really? Why do you feel that way? Besides the Tua situation, he really has brought respectability to Miami. And, sometimes the mark of a leader, is how they navigate through a toxic time. Any team at some point is going to have some toxicity and hard moments. Hard to say, but they signed some big type FA last year to multi-year deals and then in one off season started cutting them during this off season. That in and off itself is not an issue, but several players seemed to balk at several of the cuts and trades and talked about losing major locker room leadership and vocal guys. Then you have the issue with their top CB not dealing with his contract dispute in house, but using the media - again showing a lack of respect and then winning and getting his demands - makes you question how things are done. Tua though is the biggest issue. They started him last year, but it was obvious that the coaching staff was not comfortable with the decision because every chance things went a touch sour - they pulled him for Fitz. Then tried to smooth things out by going back to him. Then this off-season which should be huge for Tua - they begin looking at Watson as a trade at QB. Again showing a lack in confidence at the most important position. Then you follow that up with another interview where the HC instead of putting the flames out - fans the flames by beating around the bush. Then he meets with the team to give the “full backing of the team” speech, but at the same time denies that he needed to do that and then poorly navigates that interaction as the rumors come out that the owner wants Watson to join the team. The final straw to me in the lost of respectability is the way some of his players talk about Tua on national broadcasts - there isn’t this talk of leadership and growth - it is very muted. I think the players don’t believe he is the long term answer and that the team is trying to get someone else in place and they don’t want to say something and have it contradicted or have the team make them look bad. I think you are right the sign of a leader is how they handle adversity- see McD with the Peterman choice in SD. That decision could of cost him a locker room, but he talked with the team leadership and they navigated it and still made the playoffs. Conversely- Flores poorly handled the Tua situation last year and really poorly handled the decisions and choices as if it was out of his hands. Then he moved on from respected leadership within the locker room that many players questioned and now he has poorly handled the Watson rumors. I think all 3 show a muted lack of leadership by the HC. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 Nice take Rottenchester 😏🏈. I’ve listened and read different rumors that Ross pushed the Tua pick on Flores and Grier. I don’t know if there is truth to that comment, but if true, I can see the difficulties in navigating that team. On one hand you have a coach pledging he is behind Tua and we are going to place as many resources around him to win. Then you hear the stuff that Ross now wants to push for Watson, but then walks those comments back. To me meddling owners is not going to win you championships and sustain long term success. We’ve seen it in our own backyard with Wilson. This is one of the reasons I like the Pegulas. You just don’t read too much about them meddling where they are confident Beane and McD will figure it out, or at least everything is behind closed doors. On paper outside of Tua, there is a lot of talent in that team. We’ll see as they did win 10 games last year, and had an opportunistic defense last year. Can they lead even remotely like the Bills are doing up in Buffalo? For selfish reasons, I hope not. At least in NE (as much as I hate them with every fiber of my being), you just don’t read or hear much of that confusion. Sure you hear ex-Patriots whine it was no fun playing up there. I have no idea how true is that or they just disgruntled after leaving. BB runs a tight ship and he really is a good leader. He’s not God as some of the media would like you to believe. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 (edited) 8 hours ago, BillsShredder83 said: Has anyone seen or heard anything at the possibility of these girls being escorts? It's wild, but I think it's the 2nd most reasonable solution if he didn't do what he's being accused of. Doubtful. That would have already been discovered and revealed by now. 8 hours ago, Solomon Grundy said: I want to know his thoughts on his team signing Bobby Hart? They did? 🤯 Edited September 9, 2021 by Doc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 12 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said: Nice take Rottenchester 😏🏈. I’ve listened and read different rumors that Ross pushed the Tua pick on Flores and Grier. I don’t know if there is truth to that comment, but if true, I can see the difficulties in navigating that team. On one hand you have a coach pledging he is behind Tua and we are going to place as many resources around him to win. Then you hear the stuff that Ross now wants to push for Watson, but then walks those comments back. To me meddling owners is not going to win you championships and sustain long term success. We’ve seen it in our own backyard with Wilson. This is one of the reasons I like the Pegulas. You just don’t read too much about them meddling where they are confident Beane and McD will figure it out, or at least everything is behind closed doors. On paper outside of Tua, there is a lot of talent in that team. We’ll see as they did win 10 games last year, and had an opportunistic defense last year. Can they lead even remotely like the Bills are doing up in Buffalo? For selfish reasons, I hope not. At least in NE (as much as I hate them with every fiber of my being), you just don’t read or hear much of that confusion. Sure you hear ex-Patriots whine it was no fun playing up there. I have no idea how true is that or they just disgruntled after leaving. BB runs a tight ship and he really is a good leader. He’s not God as some of the media would like you to believe. I think the ownership has a lot to do with the issues Flores has right now - I totally agree. I am not sure that Tua is who they wanted to draft at 5, but I know that is who they deconstructed their team the year before to get. It just happened after the season and injury he was no longer the best QB in the draft. I think Flores would of preferred to ride with Fitz last year as he was Fitzmagic and held Tua until you started to see Fitztragic. Instead - I think ownership pushed him and the GM to start him before they were ready and hence the poor job at managing him and what seemed to be a lack of faith. Then I think the owner also is pushing the Watson issue - which further undermines the Tua relationship, but then I think Flores and Grier mishandled the talking points around this. In general the owner is self sabotaging the QB/coach relationship, but they have also done a poor job in handling everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 Pull the trigger, pull the trigger ! Quick, now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 8 hours ago, jeremy2020 said: Are QBs allowed to talk at Alabama? Are they capable? 🤔 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DolFAN93 Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 10 hours ago, Doc said: How does that change things? It's one thing to draft a guy and have these allegations pop up. It's another to know they're out there and then give up a lot to get him just because you're desperate to win games. It doesn't change things at all. Miami trading for Deshaun hasn't happened, and most likely won't, because of what's going on with him right now. My prediction was based on if Watson were innocent. Sorry if I didn't make that clear. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: Are they capable? 🤔 Yes, and they are capable of winning. Imagine how great it would feel if you could say the same about your favorite college team?!?! Edited September 9, 2021 by Bill from NYC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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