eball Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 2 minutes ago, snowbelt_subie said: the last 10 years 3 Qbs i would call elite have won super bowls mahomes ,brady ,russ. meanwhile non elite qbs eli manning, payton mannings corpse, joe flacco , wentz/ foles have won superbowls. just in the last 5 years goff, jimmy G and matt ryan have made it to the super bowl i think baker is better than those 3. the point is it is a team sport you can pay your elite QB like Aaron rodgers or drew brees and build a team around them or you can pay your non elite franchise QB like Eli manning and build a team around them. Whoever builds the better team will have more success the qb matters to a point. Eli Manning is a borderline HOF QB with two SB wins in which he played great. Peyton is a HOF QB. Flacco played that postseason out of his mind. Only the Philly win falls outside of the “great QBs win SBs” argument — and Brady still almost won it. QB is everything in the NFL. There are only a handful of stories of great teams with average QB play who won championships. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 11 hours ago, LeGOATski said: Doesn't look like it to me, but we don't know what words were said. It's usually called when refs hear specific derogatory remarks, I think. Like, remember when Diggs taunted the Pats CB on his way to a TD last year? He was clearly looking back at him and holding the ball out as he went into the ez. I was really word that would get called, but it didn't. I think if you action the ball towards a player or get really insulting with your words, then they throw it every time. That was true in the past, but the NFL put the dreaded “Point of Emphasis” on taunting this off-season to reduce the amount of actions - just like that - directed at other teams players. They wanted any action that appeared directed at an opposing player - things like flexing, spiking a ball, spinning the ball, yelling, pounding the chest, etc. if done in the direction of an opposing player that could be interpreted as potentially derogatory or inflammatory in nature to be called. Players can celebrate, but they wanted them to do it away from the defenders. It is one of those calls that they go overboard in preseason - make a few calls week 1-3 or 4 and then let it slide back as long as the players don’t get to over the top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowbelt_subie Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 2 minutes ago, eball said: Eli Manning is a borderline HOF QB with two SB wins in which he played great. Peyton is a HOF QB. Flacco played that postseason out of his mind. Only the Philly win falls outside of the “great QBs win SBs” argument — and Brady still almost won it. QB is everything in the NFL. There are only a handful of stories of great teams with average QB play who won championships. ok so now average Qbs as long as they play good in the playoffs its ok got it. Eli manning played 15 years and only had 30+ tds 3 times meanwhile he has had years when he has thrown 20, 25,27 Int's in a season with a career 60% completion percentage. Sorry payton manning played horrible in 2015 he had 54% completion percentage averaging 179 yds per game and had 2TD and 1 interception combined in 3 games lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 8 minutes ago, snowbelt_subie said: ok so now average Qbs as long as they play good in the playoffs its ok got it. Eli manning played 15 years and only had 30+ tds 3 times meanwhile he has had years when he has thrown 20, 25,27 Int's in a season with a career 60% completion percentage. Sorry payton manning played horrible in 2015 he had 54% completion percentage averaging 179 yds per game and had 2TD and 1 interception combined in 3 games lol Yes, I’m glad you see the light. Lots of teams make the playoffs; not all have great QBs. The teams who win the SB typically get great QB play during the playoffs. In Peyton’s case, the Broncos had a tremendous defense but there is no doubt Peyton’s leadership as a HOF QB meant something. I haven’t scoured this thread but I’m guessing you’re a Browns fan since an earlier post mentioned Baker. I guess you’re saying he doesn’t need to be great for the Browns to win, and I’d agree with that proposition during the regular season because the Browns have a very good roster. In the playoffs, however, your QB needs to be better than average. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowbelt_subie Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 13 minutes ago, eball said: Yes, I’m glad you see the light. Lots of teams make the playoffs; not all have great QBs. The teams who win the SB typically get great QB play during the playoffs. In Peyton’s case, the Broncos had a tremendous defense but there is no doubt Peyton’s leadership as a HOF QB meant something. I haven’t scoured this thread but I’m guessing you’re a Browns fan since an earlier post mentioned Baker. I guess you’re saying he doesn’t need to be great for the Browns to win, and I’d agree with that proposition during the regular season because the Browns have a very good roster. In the playoffs, however, your QB needs to be better than average. 11 hours ago, NewEra said: Yeah, and the teams that pay their non elite QBs like they are elite usually end up without a Lombardi. If they don’t get a SB win within 2 years and then they sign Baker long term i’d bet that they won’t win one. Time will tell yes i am a browns fan that became a bills fan for the short time when the browns left. i root for both teams now unless they play each other. well that brings me back to how this all got started with NewEra i guess it doesnt matter if they sign baker if he plays well in the playoffs ? see below playoff stat lines 😁 Allen 60.8% 5TD 1int 87.4 rating Lamar 55.88 % 3TD 5 INT 68.3 rating Baker 61.97% 4TD 1INT 94.0 Rating Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 9 hours ago, Simon said: How about an ejection with no associated penalty? That way the whole team isn't hurt by one self-important jackass. What if its the QB? Josh got a taunting penalty last year for a ball spin. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 1 hour ago, snowbelt_subie said: yes i am a browns fan that became a bills fan for the short time when the browns left. i root for both teams now unless they play each other. well that brings me back to how this all got started with NewEra i guess it doesnt matter if they sign baker if he plays well in the playoffs ? see below playoff stat lines 😁 Allen 60.8% 5TD 1int 87.4 rating Lamar 55.88 % 3TD 5 INT 68.3 rating Baker 61.97% 4TD 1INT 94.0 Rating We said our peace. There’s not much left to discuss. Let’s wait and see how many Super Bowls Baker wins while he counts for 40M+ on the cap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowbelt_subie Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 5 minutes ago, NewEra said: We said our peace. There’s not much left to discuss. Let’s wait and see how many Super Bowls Baker wins while he counts for 40M+ on the cap Can the browns and bills just win 1 superbowl a piece that would be great. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 2 hours ago, Scott7975 said: What if its the QB? Josh got a taunting penalty last year for a ball spin. Bet he wouldn't do it a second time ; - ) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowbelt_subie Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 anyone that wants to watch a live practice between the browns and giants it will be broadcast on the browns youtube channel at 3:30. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Warcodered Posted August 21, 2021 Share Posted August 21, 2021 Just now, LeGOATski said: Kyle Murray should throw the ball away and try to draw a roughing the passer call.... They've had 3 possessions and have gone backwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted August 21, 2021 Author Share Posted August 21, 2021 Just now, Warcodered said: They've had 3 possessions and have gone backwards. Yeah, that's not good, even if it is preseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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