vincec Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 2 hours ago, Victory Formation said: Okay, I’m literally in tears right now. Why is my boy Boogie buried under the depth chart? 😰 Looking at that roster it makes me wonder if they shouldn’t have tried to find a CB instead of Basham. 3 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 3 hours ago, JerseyBills said: Need some DLinemen to become elite. Looking at Oliver, AJ,Rousseau. If even 1 can be consistently disruptive along with Hughes, we'll cause QBs chaos Obada will be our top DE by the end of the season imo...👍 2 minutes ago, vincec said: Looking at that roster it makes me wonder if they shouldn’t have tried to find a CB instead of Basham. I think they may have wanted to in the 1st, but one got taken right before their pick... I was kind of hoping that after picking GR in the first, they would have traded down, like Beane had mentioned, and taken CB or DT 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 25 minutes ago, vincec said: Looking at that roster it makes me wonder if they shouldn’t have tried to find a CB instead of Basham. Evidently they drafted best players rather than need as they said they do. Basham was graded as a first round skill by Bills and when he was still available they drafted him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgotBILLStopay Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 4 hours ago, HappyDays said: This is the first evidence we have of what the 53 man roster will look like. Notable details: -Starting o-line is Dawkins/Feliciano/Morse/Ford/Williams -Kumerow and Davis are both listed as 2nd string outside WRs to Diggs and Sanders respectively. -Stevenson is behind both Duke Williams and Hodgins. His chance of making the team looks slim. -Breida is 3rd behind Singletary and Moss. -Hollister is 2nd behind Knox. -Hughes and Addison are the starting DEs. 2nd string is Rousseau and Epenesa. 3rd string is Obada and Basham. I see little chance of Addison getting cut as some have predicted. -Harrison Phillips is behind both Zimmer and Butler. I think his roster spot is in jeopardy. -Dodson is listed as Edmunds's backup at MLB. His roster spot looks more secure than I might have thought. -Damar Hamlin and Jaquan Johnson are ahead of Josh Thomas and Tariq Thompson on the depth chart. So Phillips, ObadA, Sweeney, Hodgins, Fromm, Doyle, Williams and Williams are on the outside looking in as of now. Quite telling actually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akcash Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I thought he pretty much totally sucked when he played for Edmunds last Fall. But playing next to AJ Klein at OLB may not have helped his cause, especially since at that point they hadn't figured out how to compensate for the fact that Klein simply can't do what Milano does. Lamp is listed as 3rd string behind Ford and Boettger. I think you have it backwards. Butler, if anything, is more of a true 3TDT who got pressed into service playing 1TDT and first sucked, then became kind of servicable in small doses. Lotulelei and Phillips are the only true 1TDTs on the roster as far as I know, so putting Phillips behind Butler seems rather making a statement. I think Butler is straight tweeter. Hes not great at either but uses enough of his God given ability to stick around... I feel like Butler got more snaps than Zimmer did down the season. I just feel like they feel a little more comfortable with Butlers combination of size and speed... even if he doesn't reach his full potential. This is my opinion on and it isn't changing. I rewatched most games last year and imo Butler played better than Zimmer. People can hate all they want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsherd Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 While there is something to it, it's more like a seniority depth chart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybrew1 Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 4 hours ago, ScottLaw said: Feel like there isn’t much that separates any of the Guards as you go down the depth chart. It’s good in that you have quality depth, it’s bad in that none are real stand out starters. Interesting they moved Feliciano to LG from RG.... I was hoping Ford would be more athletic and run with the LG spot .... Feliciano is very accommodating. You Go, Jon! Not the most athletic LG but perhaps Ford can crush someone from his RG spot? Man, I hope Ford is an upgrade! (And a major one at that.) I can hope, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 3 minutes ago, IgotBILLStopay said: So Phillips, ObadA, Sweeney, Hodgins, Fromm, Doyle, Williams and Williams are on the outside looking in as of now. Quite telling actually. Obada no, Sweeney maybe depending on if they keep 3 TEs plus Gilliam at FB. The rest, yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 10 minutes ago, billybrew1 said: Interesting they moved Feliciano to LG from RG.... I was hoping Ford would be more athletic and run with the LG spot .... Feliciano is very accommodating. You Go, Jon! Not the most athletic LG but perhaps Ford can crush someone from his RG spot? Man, I hope Ford is an upgrade! (And a major one at that.) I can hope, right? Feliciano said he lost weight and is quicker now. Makes sense they put him at LG. As for Ford, putting him at one OG spot and keeping him there should help. If if doesn't... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBean Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 Where da hell is Mike Jasper and Da’Rick Rogers!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybrew1 Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 How will Special Teams effect roster building? Does Stevenson get called up if McKenzie goes down? What about Taiwan, matakevich and D. Johnson? 3 3rd and 4th string players? Are we going to start Klein vs. 12 offenses? Like NE is going to run? I think we see a lot of big sets. Do we keep in our standard D with Taron? Does Tommy Sweeney play STs? I sure hope so as I want him to make it.... Do Stadium Wall Gents feel comfortable with McKenzie doing both kicking jobs? Not sure I do. I'm just worried he is going to get hurt. I think he'll do a fantastic job though (although he might fumble if hit hard.) I think I prefer two separate players returning. One PR and one KOS. Right now, McKenzie is a very important Buffalo Bill. Go get 'em, Isaiah! Jake Kumerow is for real! UnBillievable! What to do with Isaiah Hodgins? He looks like an NFL WR.... Doesn't he? Will he make it to the PS? What about Stevenson? Just about every team wants to cut low round picks but keep them on the PS, though we have a strong and deep roster which means low picks are not going to make it, most teams have guys they want to keep. Is there a gentleman's agreement regarding the practice squad that most teams leave other teams PS players mostly alone? Sorta seems that way to me. How many DL are we going to carry? Surprised Vernon is over Harry...Though I thought it hard to tell who was playing better last year between the two. If Harry truly is healed up and in great shape, I think the Bills could carry five DTs.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 1 hour ago, IgotBILLStopay said: So Phillips, ObadA, Sweeney, Hodgins, Fromm, Doyle, Williams and Williams are on the outside looking in as of now. Quite telling actually. I think they'll keep 4 DT so yes, Phillips outside looking in if they really think Zimmer is better now But there's a lot of pre-season left Zimmer didn't get a lot of snaps last season - typically 26% to 36% except for last game. I think Phillips showed more of an upward trend towards the end of the season. I expect to see them get a lot of looks during pre-season games. Obada - I think they'll keep 6 DE, so I wouldn't say he's on the outside looking in, but they like Darryl Johnson and he also plays teams. So there's a lot of pre-season there too Sweeney - they kept 3 TE last season plus Gilliam Kumerow apparently plays ST so Hodgins is going to have to show something there to win that Doyle may find himself with an injured thumb or plantar fasciitis and going on IR Antonio Williams, def. on outside looking in unless Moss IRs to start the season Duke Williams, no surprise, right? I'm not sure what this is "telling" of 1 hour ago, billybrew1 said: Interesting they moved Feliciano to LG from RG.... I was hoping Ford would be more athletic and run with the LG spot .... Feliciano is very accommodating. You Go, Jon! Not the most athletic LG but perhaps Ford can crush someone from his RG spot? Man, I hope Ford is an upgrade! (And a major one at that.) I can hope, right? So maybe they are trying out different combinations But one of the big deals they made in the off season was how they would have continuity Well, if you mix and match the guards - there goes any continuity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybrew1 Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 That's another weird thing about Ford, he played LG in college.... And now prefers right? Or, is better there? I hope it is because he is so mean and powerful..... Go Bills! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 Okay... I'm not going to read a ton into the depth chart because there's plenty to quibble with and who knows what's being put out there as extra motivation for some players (Stevenson, for one)... but when I look at our roster position by position... holy crap I'm honestly starting to worry a little about our depth in the secondary specifically! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maryland-bills-fan Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 Somebody commented that this depth chart might be structured to showcase how good a potential trade candidate is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Noggin Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 4 hours ago, ScottLaw said: Don’t disagree....although I don’t think you are giving Williams enough credit. Thought he was excellent last season..... not extremely confident in either Guard position though. Feliciano is overrated here and got tossed around in the championship game, maybe a full offseason to rehab his pec makes a difference. Ford has been disappointing. I’ll be pleasantly surprised if he develops into a quality starter. I actually think Ike is the better player.....either way, hopefully two guys step up and solidifies the unit inside. Agree with your analysis of the guards here. They've (Ford, Feliciano, Boettger) been mostly meh. Still a chance for some improvement, but the Bills lack high-end or even demonstrably average starters at both spots. I keep thinking that Bates could capably play at just about any spot along the line, at least on par with our current crop of OGs. And possibly close to Morse's play at OC. As an OT he's been okay at best in spot duty (better on the right than the left, to my eye). Seems like his versatility is preventing him from serious starting consideration (too much value as a 5-position flex backup?). Or, I suppose, it could be that his ONLY real value IS his position flex (not good enough to start anywhere, but good enough to backup everywhere). Either way, he's a valuable guy on game days. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Noggin Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 2 hours ago, akcash said: I think Butler is straight tweeter. Hes not great at either but uses enough of his God given ability to stick around... I feel like Butler got more snaps than Zimmer did down the season. I just feel like they feel a little more comfortable with Butlers combination of size and speed... even if he doesn't reach his full potential. This is my opinion on and it isn't changing. I rewatched most games last year and imo Butler played better than Zimmer. People can hate all they want. Take it easy there, guy. No need for such drama. You can have an opinion on backup D-linemen without assuming a defensive stance. I, too, wonder if Butler's size and expense gives him a slight advantage over Zimmer in the eyes of McBeane. Beane was in Carolina when they drafted Butler, and he (Butler) DOES have the pedigree GMs often covet. Whereas Zimmer, despite his seriously ELITE athleticism, is always operating from behind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 7 hours ago, HappyDays said: This is the first evidence we have of what the 53 man roster will look like. Notable details: -Starting o-line is Dawkins/Feliciano/Morse/Ford/Williams -Kumerow and Davis are both listed as 2nd string outside WRs to Diggs and Sanders respectively. -Stevenson is behind both Duke Williams and Hodgins. His chance of making the team looks slim. -Breida is 3rd behind Singletary and Moss. -Hollister is 2nd behind Knox. -Hughes and Addison are the starting DEs. 2nd string is Rousseau and Epenesa. 3rd string is Obada and Basham. I see little chance of Addison getting cut as some have predicted. -Harrison Phillips is behind both Zimmer and Butler. I think his roster spot is in jeopardy. -Dodson is listed as Edmunds's backup at MLB. His roster spot looks more secure than I might have thought. -Damar Hamlin and Jaquan Johnson are ahead of Josh Thomas and Tariq Thompson on the depth chart. WoOt w00t!! Kumerow 4th WR!! Now we got to get Harry in front of Butler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akcash Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 50 minutes ago, Richard Noggin said: Take it easy there, guy. No need for such drama. You can have an opinion on backup D-linemen without assuming a defensive stance. I, too, wonder if Butler's size and expense gives him a slight advantage over Zimmer in the eyes of McBeane. Beane was in Carolina when they drafted Butler, and he (Butler) DOES have the pedigree GMs often covet. Whereas Zimmer, despite his seriously ELITE athleticism, is always operating from behind. Think you took it to the next level guy. I'm just putting my stance out there. Everybody thinks Zimmer is way better than he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mountain Man Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 8 hours ago, HappyDays said: -Stevenson is behind both Duke Williams and Hodgins. His chance of making the team looks slim. In terms of WR. He is also 2nd for both returner spots, which neither of the above 2 are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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