The Frankish Reich Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, redtail hawk said: In addition to using the term “enslaved” rather than “slave” I see why people advocate for this new usage, but I'm not convinced that it is something to worry about. I will note that many of the same people who are outraged (as well they should be) about sex trafficking seem o.k. about downplaying the systematic, state-sponsored trafficking of human beings in our history, even when that trafficking also included the rape of many women and girls by their "owners." I've tried to point this out. Would anyone dream of saying, "Although modern child sex trafficking is horrific, some trafficked children ultimately benefited from being taken away from starvation, war, and disease to the United States, where they were able to use their survival skills to succeed in a land of abundance and freedom" Edited July 28, 2023 by The Frankish Reich 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 (edited) I like to look at the betting odds for elections. They've been quite predictive recently, there's real money on the line and the incentive isn't political but financial https://www.oddschecker.com/us/politics/us-politics Edited July 28, 2023 by redtail hawk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 3 minutes ago, redtail hawk said: I like to look at the betting odds for elections. They've been quite predictive recently, there's real money on the line and the incentive isn't political but financial https://www.oddschecker.com/us/politics/us-politics I like how Newsom is the 4th favorite, just a tick more probable than DeSantis! And also well above Kamala. I've got a trip to the UK coming up in a bit. Maybe I should put some money on him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 On 7/27/2023 at 12:59 AM, Over 29 years of fanhood said: I’m in Florida for work stuff this week - holy ***** do these people love Desantis. Cab drivers, servers, Uber drivers, bartenders, corporate leaders, generally anyone you encounter that is working. They all have their different reasons but it has been consistent and overt. seems you didn't run into any of these folks https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/10/25/opinion/focusgroup-democrats-republicans-florida-desantis.html last I knew, there were still some D's living in Fla. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 4 hours ago, redtail hawk said: seems you didn't run into any of these folks https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/10/25/opinion/focusgroup-democrats-republicans-florida-desantis.html last I knew, there were still some D's living in Fla. As noted, these were specifically people that were working or in business. I’m sure the found some of those ‘educated’ 😂 gender studies grads under A bridge or at the local welfare office to get some democrat love…. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: As noted, these were specifically people that were working or in business. I’m sure the found some of those ‘educated’ 😂 gender studies grads under A bridge or at the local welfare office to get some democrat love…. Just another R lie...why do you MAGA's dislike truth so much. https://dos.myflorida.com/elections/data-statistics/voter-registration-statistics/voter-registration-reports/voter-registration-by-party-affiliation/ and this https://floridapolitics.com/archives/622494-florida-voters-still-like-ron-desantis-as-governor-and-side-with-him-over-disney/#:~:text=About 54% of voters say,%%2C say they strongly approve. Edited July 28, 2023 by redtail hawk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 Absolutely incredible that there remains those from the center and right who are completely unaware of where we are. Any republican who occupies the White House will be impeached the moment democrats have the ability to do so. Guaranteed. You do Jesse. The sky in your world isn't green. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 8 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said: I see why people advocate for this new usage, but I'm not convinced that it is something to worry about. I will note that many of the same people who are outraged (as well they should be) about sex trafficking seem o.k. about downplaying the systematic, state-sponsored trafficking of human beings in our history, even when that trafficking also included the rape of many women and girls by their "owners." I've tried to point this out. Would anyone dream of saying, "Although modern child sex trafficking is horrific, some trafficked children ultimately benefited from being taken away from starvation, war, and disease to the United States, where they were able to use their survival skills to succeed in a land of abundance and freedom" LOL! Who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 41 minutes ago, Doc said: LOL! Who? Umm, Ron DeSantis? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted July 29, 2023 Share Posted July 29, 2023 12 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: Umm, Ron DeSantis? Umm, he did? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted July 29, 2023 Share Posted July 29, 2023 11 minutes ago, Doc said: Umm, he did? Sometimes the smartest thing to do is to just keep your mouth shut. That was his approach when this little dust-up first hit, but he just couldn't stop himself from commenting and keeping it alive for another news cycle. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted July 29, 2023 Share Posted July 29, 2023 5 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: Sometimes the smartest thing to do is to just keep your mouth shut. That was his approach when this little dust-up first hit, but he just couldn't stop himself from commenting and keeping it alive for another news cycle. You really think ignoring it would have made it go away? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted July 29, 2023 Share Posted July 29, 2023 46 minutes ago, Doc said: You really think ignoring it would have made it go away? Yes. It's a rule of politics. Let the news cycle run. It would come back later (Tim Scott for one will try to keep it alive), but at least DeSantis could get back on track talking about transgenderism and wokism, the #1 issue on 1% of the country's mind according to a recent poll. Smart guy, stupid campaign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted July 29, 2023 Share Posted July 29, 2023 He’s never left. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted July 29, 2023 Share Posted July 29, 2023 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted July 29, 2023 Share Posted July 29, 2023 3 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said: Sometimes the smartest thing to do is to just keep your mouth shut. That was his approach when this little dust-up first hit, but he just couldn't stop himself from commenting and keeping it alive for another news cycle. This is a bad argument. Let the lie fly and just pretend it is not a lie. If someone blatantly lies you call out the lie, or else you have to do that with all the lies. This is not a mistake, this is intentionally lying to get headlines. 3 hours ago, BillStime said: Who are the black people being called out? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted July 29, 2023 Share Posted July 29, 2023 29 minutes ago, Orlando Tim said: This is a bad argument. Let the lie fly and just pretend it is not a lie. If someone blatantly lies you call out the lie, or else you have to do that with all the lies. This is not a mistake, this is intentionally lying to get headlines. This is solid gold... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted July 29, 2023 Share Posted July 29, 2023 11 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said: Yes. It's a rule of politics. Let the news cycle run. It would come back later (Tim Scott for one will try to keep it alive), but at least DeSantis could get back on track talking about transgenderism and wokism, the #1 issue on 1% of the country's mind according to a recent poll. Smart guy, stupid campaign. You let a news cycle run, lying about something, and say nothing, basically tacitly agreeing with them? No, that's not how it's done. He did the right thing by responding and letting everyone know that black educators came up with the curriculum. And now the news cycle has run its course because Kammy and the like look like idiots. And Scott (and Byron Donalds, who are both Trump guys), would be wise to say nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted July 29, 2023 Share Posted July 29, 2023 9 hours ago, redtail hawk said: This is solid gold... Interesting that you are siding with the people intentionally lying to get the ignorant riled up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted July 29, 2023 Share Posted July 29, 2023 10 hours ago, Orlando Tim said: Who are the black people being called out? Ron DeSantis says Tim Scott, DC Republicans are buying the left's lies on slavery lessons DeSantis officials push back on Byron Donalds’ criticism of African American history standards 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted July 29, 2023 Share Posted July 29, 2023 (edited) 11 hours ago, Big Blitz said: Perhaps he should pay more attention to what the descendants of slaves think https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4125593-desantis-faces-backlash-from-black-conservatives/ Edited July 29, 2023 by redtail hawk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted July 29, 2023 Share Posted July 29, 2023 13 hours ago, Orlando Tim said: Who are the black people being called out? Oh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted July 29, 2023 Share Posted July 29, 2023 (edited) This isn't going away...and it shouldn't https://dnyuz.com/2023/07/28/the-shady-backstory-of-floridas-outrageous-new-slavery-curriculum/ However, three members now claim they were neglected to be informed about Gov. Ron DeSantis’ new mission to restructure how Black history was taught. Instead, a totally different “work group” was quietly formed—and stacked with the Department of Education’s own appointees—to advise on the new standards and pass an agenda. “It’s the same divide techniques that they used on the plantation,” African American History Task Force member Dr. Donna Austin told The Daily Beast. “It’s the same, identical thing. They always use methods of dividing the African and African American people. That’s what they do.” Edited July 29, 2023 by redtail hawk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted July 29, 2023 Share Posted July 29, 2023 5 minutes ago, redtail hawk said: This isn't going away...and it shouldn't https://dnyuz.com/2023/07/28/the-shady-backstory-of-floridas-outrageous-new-slavery-curriculum/ However, three members now claim they were neglected to be informed about Gov. Ron DeSantis’ new mission to restructure how Black history was taught. Instead, a totally different “work group” was quietly formed—and stacked with the Department of Education’s own appointees—to advise on the new standards and pass an agenda. “It’s the same divide techniques that they used on the plantation,” African American History Task Force member Dr. Donna Austin told The Daily Beast. “It’s the same, identical thing. They always use methods of dividing the African and African American people. That’s what they do.” It's already pretty much dead. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted July 29, 2023 Share Posted July 29, 2023 1 hour ago, Doc said: It's already pretty much dead. Yes, Desantis campaign... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted July 29, 2023 Share Posted July 29, 2023 21 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said: Umm, Ron DeSantis? Hoax Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted July 29, 2023 Share Posted July 29, 2023 4 hours ago, BillStime said: Oh. Tim Scott and Byron Donald are wrong on this point. I still respect them but they are wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted July 29, 2023 Share Posted July 29, 2023 46 minutes ago, redtail hawk said: Yes, Desantis campaign... Right. Just like Joke's was at this point in the 2020 election cycle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted July 29, 2023 Share Posted July 29, 2023 1 hour ago, Orlando Tim said: Tim Scott and Byron Donald are wrong on this point. I still respect them but they are wrong. Were you a slave? No? Then stfu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted July 29, 2023 Share Posted July 29, 2023 41 minutes ago, BillStime said: Were you a slave? No? Then stfu Was anyone in this story or on here? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted July 30, 2023 Share Posted July 30, 2023 16 minutes ago, aristocrat said: Was anyone in this story or on here? Not unless they are immortal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted July 30, 2023 Share Posted July 30, 2023 1 hour ago, aristocrat said: Was anyone in this story or on here? Story? Minimize it more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted July 30, 2023 Share Posted July 30, 2023 2 hours ago, BillStime said: Were you a slave? No? Then stfu Honest question: how many times this week have you had descendants of slaves at you home? I have twice, families of my daughter's friends and family of my son's friends. None are bothered by it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted July 30, 2023 Share Posted July 30, 2023 37 minutes ago, Orlando Tim said: Honest question: how many times this week have you had descendants of slaves at you home? I have twice, families of my daughter's friends and family of my son's friends. None are bothered by it. Ask them how they feel about their family members being treated like cattle and see if they think their ancestors enjoyed the lessons they were forced to learn. Buffalo Timmy - do you realize you don’t have to defend EVERY DeSantis forced error? Smarten the f up man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted July 30, 2023 Share Posted July 30, 2023 11 minutes ago, BillStime said: Ask them how they feel about their family members being treated like cattle and see if they think their ancestors enjoyed the lessons they were forced to learn. Buffalo Timmy - do you realize you don’t have to defend EVERY DeSantis forced error? Smarten the f up man Doing as requested by a bunch of African American professors is an error? I do notice you can't answer the question I asked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted July 30, 2023 Share Posted July 30, 2023 51 minutes ago, Orlando Tim said: Doing as requested by a bunch of African American professors is an error? I do notice you can't answer the question I asked. I don't give two shitz who you're allegedly hanging out with... there was nothing beneficial about slavery. NOTHING. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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John from Riverside Posted July 30, 2023 Share Posted July 30, 2023 4 hours ago, BillStime said: I don't give two shitz who you're allegedly hanging out with... there was nothing beneficial about slavery. NOTHING. At least not to the slaves themselves 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted July 30, 2023 Share Posted July 30, 2023 7 hours ago, BillStime said: I don't give two shitz who you're allegedly hanging out with... there was nothing beneficial about slavery. NOTHING. And as Ron desantis very clearly said the slaves learned the other things in spite of slavery. So we all agree and there is nothing to argue about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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