DeSantis For President in 2024?

[The Frankish Reich]

2 minutes ago, Orlando Tim said:

Your comment was that the topic was too jaw droppingly stupid to discuss despite being factually accurate. You were so busy being political that you were extremely insulting to anyone who could think was a good idea. Your opinion appears to have changed when the person presenting it was changed to different race. I will ask directly, do you still think the standard is stupid?

Yes.

[Joe Ferguson forever]

13 hours ago, B-Man said:

Wise words from a brilliant man.

How would you know?  Can you share a CV or bio?

[B-Man]

3 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

How would you know?  Can you share a CV or bio?

 

Or you could, you know,  play the videos and decide for yourself.

 

 

 

I've got to mow the lawn soon, I can't keep doing this for you.

 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

Just now, B-Man said:

 

Or you could, you know,  play the videos and decide for yourself.

 

 

 

I've got to mow the lawn soon, I can't keep doing this for you.

 

Do they contain CV's?  What do you know of his body of work?

I'm waiting on mowing.  It's a bit long but it's not supposed to rain all week and I don't like burnt grass.

[The Frankish Reich]

Here's the problem with the whole curriculum standards debate.

DeSantis had a point. The left (as we understand it) believes that there is no such thing as a "neutral" curriculum. By emphasizing certain points and deemphasizing others, a textbook or a syllabus necessarily has a political point of view. The left thought standard curricula emphasized the "Great American Experiment" type of cheerleading for America at the expense of downplaying or ignoring the horrific abuses in our history and the role of non-white men in America. The 1619 Project was very open about this being the point.

The DeSantis Republicans thought the new emphasis (which has, before and after 1619, been brought into middle school and high school learning plans) was too political. They ostensibly sought a rebalancing.

But they no longer argued for a neutral approach. They essentially accepted the left's viewpoint, that there is no such thing as a neutral approach. In other words, to defeat critical race theorists, they had to become critical race theorists, but from the other side. American history curricula should therefore be aimed at, above all else, presenting the arc of American history in a triumphant manner. And sometimes that means downplaying the bad to emphasize the good. Hence we get things like, "the institution of slavery was abusive, but we eventually eliminated it, and indeed some slaves benefited from the skills they learned while enslaved." To me, and to many other people, that's jarring. And yes: stupid. There is a way to tell the story of how an entire race of people did not allow themselves to be defeated forever, that they threw off their shackles, and demanded to be respected as full Americans. This is not that way.

This is a failed attempt at switching the balance. It is a ratification of the idea that there is no such thing as neutral history, and that it is the job of educators to choose a perspective, in this case a "conservative" pro-America perspective. I'm not ready to give up on a non-politically loaded curriculum. DeSantis and his ilk are.

[Orlando Tim]

16 hours ago, redtail hawk said:

yeah, they weren't slaves.  Some were indentured servants but I'll bet few of those became "lace Irish"...

https://www.irishcentral.com/roots/shanty-lace-curtain-irish

This isn't really a culture war, now is it?

This is not my quote but I feel it is well said

"If you are able to read it and conclude that the single reference to slaves developing skills … is indicative of the narrative direction of the course, rather than a tiny (and correct) part of it, then you are beyond saving and you deserve to live your life as an ignoramus"

[Big Blitz]

Will significantly help in VA 

 

[HomeskillitMoorman]

DeSantis’s own campaign video had him leading marching troops to him in front of a Nazi symbol and none of his supporters find this troubling? 
 

The amount that people are willing to turn a blind eye to because they’ve already chosen a side is simply stunning. 

[wnyguy]

11 minutes ago, HomeskillitMoorman said:

DeSantis’s own campaign video had him leading marching troops to him in front of a Nazi symbol and none of his supporters find this troubling? 
 

The amount that people are willing to turn a blind eye to because they’ve already chosen a side is simply stunning. 

So you're saying DeSantis is a Nazi?

[JDHillFan]

16 minutes ago, HomeskillitMoorman said:

DeSantis’s own campaign video had him leading marching troops to him in front of a Nazi symbol and none of his supporters find this troubling? 
 

The amount that people are willing to turn a blind eye to because they’ve already chosen a side is simply stunning. 

His own campaign video? 100% incorrect. Please have another look and adjust your dudgeon accordingly. Good lord. 

[Big Blitz]

19 minutes ago, HomeskillitMoorman said:

DeSantis’s own campaign video had him leading marching troops to him in front of a Nazi symbol and none of his supporters find this troubling? 
 

The amount that people are willing to turn a blind eye to because they’ve already chosen a side is simply stunning. 

 

No.  
 

 

 

Why?

[wnyguy]

Just now, JDHillFan said:

His own campaign video? 100% incorrect. Please have another look and adjust your dudgeon accordingly. Good lord. 

They throw the word "nazi" around like it means nothing, perhaps if they realized just how inhuman and soulless the Nazi regime really was they would come up with another word to characterize people they simply disagree with.

[HomeskillitMoorman]

26 minutes ago, wnyguy said:

So you're saying DeSantis is a Nazi?

I’m saying it certainly looks like he doesn’t care about being associated with one if it’s true his own staffer retweeted that video 

20 minutes ago, JDHillFan said:

His own campaign video? 100% incorrect. Please have another look and adjust your dudgeon accordingly. Good lord. 

If one of my staffers retweeted that, if that’s true, I would have something to say about it if I was against the messaging. 

[HomeskillitMoorman]

20 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

No.  
 

 

 

Why?

Pure deflection. I’m not a vaccine-pusher. In fact I was against many of the Left’s COVID mandates and didn’t live under lockdown at all. 
 

You can agree with someone’s COVID’s stance and still disagree on social issues. I don’t like DeSantis at all and would agree that he overall had a better COVID stance than most governors. It’s something called objectivity. 

[JDHillFan]

7 minutes ago, HomeskillitMoorman said:

I’m saying it certainly looks like he doesn’t care about being associated with one if it’s true his own staffer retweeted that video 

If one of my staffers retweeted that, if that’s true, I would have something to say about it if I was against the messaging. 

I was responding to your post, the wording of which could not have been more wrong. Can you admit as much?

[HomeskillitMoorman]

1 minute ago, JDHillFan said:

I was responding to your post, the wording of which could not have been more wrong. Can you admit as much?

I think it’s a gray area. It’s his staffer that retweeted it and he hasn’t denounced it to my knowledge. Campaigns claim content they endorse all the time that they didn’t create themselves. 
 

I actually waited for a while to comment on it to see if they said anything to distance themselves from it. 

[HomeskillitMoorman]

I do think overall that DeSantis has really hurt himself with his culture war obsession and at times actually ripping on Trump for being more moderate. I don’t think that strategically even makes sense on the National scale. 
 

I think Trump continues to blow him out of the water and actually will do so much damage to him by the end that DeSantis won’t even be a real candidate for ‘28. I see Vivek easily surpassing him during this cycle and for the future. 

[JDHillFan]

3 minutes ago, HomeskillitMoorman said:

I do think overall that DeSantis has really hurt himself with his culture war obsession and at times actually ripping on Trump for being more moderate. I don’t think that strategically even makes sense on the National scale. 
 

I think Trump continues to blow him out of the water and actually will do so much damage to him by the end that DeSantis won’t even be a real candidate for ‘28. I see Vivek easily surpassing him during this cycle and for the future. 

His “own campaign video” were your words. Isn’t it easier to say you got that wrong than have to do a tap dance about gray areas and retweet’s? 

[Orlando Tim]

32 minutes ago, HomeskillitMoorman said:

I’m saying it certainly looks like he doesn’t care about being associated with one if it’s true his own staffer retweeted that video 

If one of my staffers retweeted that, if that’s true, I would have something to say about it if I was against the messaging. 

Two very related  things because perhaps you are simply unaware of the situation: that video was removed within one hour of being put up, maybe the staffer who linked to it did not know what it meant. Secondly the only reason I know that it was ever a Nazi sign is that it is all over the Ukraine Army guys, so I less you are truly up on the Ukraine Army it is unlikely you would recognize it. 

[HomeskillitMoorman]

3 minutes ago, JDHillFan said:

His “own campaign video” were your words. Isn’t it easier to say you got that wrong than have to do a tap dance about gray areas and retweet’s? 

 

When a member of his team retweets it? I don't think so. Wasn't there the same question over the LGBTQ one on whether they actually made it or not? They shared it, and then DeSantis basically claimed it as part of the campaign and said it was fair game. 

[Orlando Tim]

https://afroamfl.org/task-force-members/

 

This is the task force that wanted, and got the standard about slaves through. Thompson used to be my state rep and I have met her. She is a HUGE liberal and once again shows the patheticness of those who object.

[JDHillFan]

4 minutes ago, HomeskillitMoorman said:

 

When a member of his team retweets it? I don't think so. Wasn't there the same question over the LGBTQ one on whether they actually made it or not? They shared it, and then DeSantis basically claimed it as part of the campaign and said it was fair game. 

You are originating what is commonly called fake news/disinformation and doubling down on it. Your words could not have been more wrong. I imagine you are also one that rails against the need for outrage by those with whom you disagree. 

[HomeskillitMoorman]

2 minutes ago, Orlando Tim said:

Two very related  things because perhaps you are simply unaware of the situation: that video was removed within one hour of being put up, maybe the staffer who linked to it did not know what it meant. Secondly the only reason I know that it was ever a Nazi sign is that it is all over the Ukraine Army guys, so I less you are truly up on the Ukraine Army it is unlikely you would recognize it. 

 

Given the guy is an actual governor of a state...I hope that's the case. A less extreme version of this pretty much existed in his other video though that "attacked' Trump for not closing down Pride parades or whatever very important Presidential things he did against LGBTQ+. 

[HomeskillitMoorman]

6 minutes ago, JDHillFan said:

You are originating what is commonly called fake news/disinformation and doubling down on it. Your words could not have been more wrong. I imagine you are also one that rails against the need for outrage by those with whom you disagree. 

 

You apparently don't think his own staffer retweeting that has anything to do with him...I think it does when he doesn't do anything to distance himself from it. They don't originally create a lot of content that they put out there, many times they just share it, just like all the campaigns. 

 

You can be outraged by whatever you want, I call it out when it's not consistent. And I've done it plenty against the "Left" as well because they're wrong quite a bit these days too. 

[JDHillFan]

I’m calling you out for posting crap and then dancing around it. Carry on. Words don’t matter the way they once did. 

[JaCrispy]

2 hours ago, HomeskillitMoorman said:

DeSantis’s own campaign video had him leading marching troops to him in front of a Nazi symbol and none of his supporters find this troubling? 
 

The amount that people are willing to turn a blind eye to because they’ve already chosen a side is simply stunning. 

You silly goose…that wasn’t a Nazi symbol…clearly it was a communist symbol in his campaign ad…sheesh…😉

[HomeskillitMoorman]

13 minutes ago, JaCrispy said:

You silly goose…that wasn’t a Nazi symbol…clearly it was a communist symbol in his campaign ad…sheesh…😉

 

I guess it almost could've passed for a Bernie ad instead when you put it that way

[Big Blitz]

2 hours ago, HomeskillitMoorman said:

Pure deflection. I’m not a vaccine-pusher. In fact I was against many of the Left’s COVID mandates and didn’t live under lockdown at all. 
 

You can agree with someone’s COVID’s stance and still disagree on social issues. I don’t like DeSantis at all and would agree that he overall had a better COVID stance than most governors. It’s something called objectivity. 

 

You’re proving the point about how completely detached from reality the electorate is.  
 

A video that means absolutely nothing - where are all the Brownshirts and subsequent atrocities in the best run state in the Union?  

 

 

Unless you want to count an inability for children to read LGFSY$&ruTsQ9875 sponsored drag hour / borderline porn in elementary and middle schools or that women (which DeSantis can define) can’t abort (kill) kids after 6 weeks as oppression then sure…….he’s just a terrible governor who’s blueprint for America should obviously look more like Pennsylvania or California.   
 

We have almost 5 years of him as an executive in Florida.  If you don’t want this country run like Florida then I don’t know what to tell you.  Has some other state offered a better path? 
 

Everything the Left says about him is delusional.  Everything Team Trump is saying about him is a lie.  Interesting Team Trump talks about no other Republican in the race.   

Edited July 24, 2023 by Big Blitz

[Governor]

Well, not firing his campaign tells us he isn’t a very good decision maker. I think he will eventually get there but so far he’s very slow to pull the trigger.

 

It’s good for voters to know these things now because it’s a glimpse of how he would handle the job as president, which would go pretty badly. He definitely wouldn’t be answering that 3am phone call.

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/ron-desantis-polls-campaign-b2381036.html?utm_source=reddit.com

Edited July 25, 2023 by Governor

[Doc]

3 minutes ago, Governor said:

Well, not firing his campaign tells us he isn’t a very good decision maker. I think he will eventually get there but so far he’s very slow to pull the trigger.

 

It’s good for voters to know these things now because it’s a glimpse of how he would handle the job as president, which would go badly.

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/ron-desantis-polls-campaign-b2381036.html?utm_source=reddit.com

Joke has stuck with incompetents in his cabinet for years. 

[Governor]

28 minutes ago, Doc said:

Joke has stuck with incompetents in his cabinet for years. 

Joe ran the best campaign in my lifetime. It was an easy campaign and Trump was easy to beat but it was perfectly executed from start to finish. Not a single mistake all the way through. The only thing I would’ve done differently is money spent in NC. It was within reach. 
 

He’s going to correct that this time around. If Trump wins the nomination he will lose by 7 points nationally which is a real ass-beating.

Edited July 25, 2023 by Governor

[Doc]

17 minutes ago, Governor said:

Joe ran the best campaign in my lifetime. It was an easy campaign and Trump was easy to beat but it was perfectly executed from start to finish. Not a single mistake all the way through. The only thing I would’ve done differently is money spent in NC. It was within reach. 
 

He’s going to correct that this time around. If Trump wins the nomination he will lose by 7 points nationally which is a real ass-beating.

 

Joke has no chance to win re-election either with or without that anchor Kammy as VP again.  There is no wuhan pandemic to lie about anymore.

[Governor]

4 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Joke has no chance to win re-election either with or without that anchor Kammy as VP again.  There is no wuhan pandemic to lie about anymore.

So far, there isn’t a candidate that could beat him. It’s not impossible that one could emerge out of nowhere but it’s pretty unlikely. 
 

Trump was going to lose without Covid. He had already lost the suburbs 6 months into his presidency. He was the reason why Dems took Congress in record fashion. He was the one who lost the senate….twice. All he does is lose.

[Doc]

7 minutes ago, Governor said:

So far, there isn’t a candidate that could beat him. It’s not impossible that one could emerge out of nowhere but it’s pretty unlikely. 
 

Trump was going to lose without Covid. He had already lost the suburbs 6 months into his presidency. He was the reason why Dems took Congress in record fashion. He was the one who lost the senate….twice. All he does is lose.

 

Sure there is.  Several polls have Trump or DeSantis beating him.  Get him on the debate stage and he's toast.

[Big Blitz]

32 minutes ago, Governor said:

Joe ran the best campaign in my lifetime.

 

Is this a joke?  
 

It’s insulting and f…ing disturbing quite frankly.  
 

But honestly - extremely grateful you posted it.  I’d present it as evidence in a trial as proof how every single moron going along with Covid did so knowing this was an authoritarian revolution that would get Trump out of office consequences for the Republic be dammed.  
 

So to recap - you look back and think of Biden 2020 as the greatest campaign you’ve ever seen.  
 

Just let that sink in folks.  

 

An election fully rigged.  
 

In a sham pandemic.  
 

A country in full retreat from life thanks to China.  Hold a BLM protest but if Trump wants an outdoor rally - he’s going to get people killed.  
 

 

 

Just say you think Biden would beat Trump in 2024 and do a better job of concealing the fact you sided with the CCP hoping Trump would lose.  It’s embarrassing.   

Edited July 25, 2023 by Big Blitz

[Governor]

1 minute ago, Doc said:

 

Sure there is.  Several polls have Trump or DeSantis beating him.  Get him on the debate stage and he's toast.

There are no such polls.

[Governor]

10 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

Is this a joke?  
 

It’s insulting and f…ing disturbing quite frankly.  
 

But honestly - extremely grateful you posted it.  I’d present it as evidence in a trial as proof how every single moron going along with Covid did so knowing this was an authoritarian revolution that would get Trump out of office consequences for the Republic be dammed.  
 

So to recap - you look back and think of Biden 2020 as the greatest campaign you’ve ever seen.  
 

Just let that sink in folks.  

 

An election fully rigged.  
 

In a sham pandemic.  
 

A country in full retreat from life thanks to China.  Hold a BLM protest but if Trump wants an outdoor rally - he’s going to get people killed.  
 

 

 

Just say you think Biden would beat Trump in 2024 and do a better job of concealing the fact you sided with the CCP hoping Trump would lose.  It’s embarrassing.   

Trump had 1 path to victory which included 5 crucial swing states and he lost all of them.
 

Lost all of them. 

[Big Blitz]

1 minute ago, Governor said:

Trump had 1 path to victory which included 5 crucial swing states and he lost all of them.
 

Lost all of them. 

 

I don’t give a ***t.  
 

The least of our concerns in 2020 was the sham election.  
 

Under historic CCP circumstances.   

 

 

 

So what did Kissinger and Xi meet about this week?

 

Yea that Kissinger.  Still alive and meeting with authoritarian thugs on behalf of Xiden.  

[Big Blitz]

Will only help in Georgia.  Another governor that won without Trump.  
 

 

 

[Orlando Tim]

9 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

 

Is this a joke?  
 

It’s insulting and f…ing disturbing quite frankly.  
 

But honestly - extremely grateful you posted it.  I’d present it as evidence in a trial as proof how every single moron going along with Covid did so knowing this was an authoritarian revolution that would get Trump out of office consequences for the Republic be dammed.  
 

So to recap - you look back and think of Biden 2020 as the greatest campaign you’ve ever seen.  
 

Just let that sink in folks.  

 

An election fully rigged.  
 

In a sham pandemic.  
 

A country in full retreat from life thanks to China.  Hold a BLM protest but if Trump wants an outdoor rally - he’s going to get people killed.  
 

 

 

Just say you think Biden would beat Trump in 2024 and do a better job of concealing the fact you sided with the CCP hoping Trump would lose.  It’s embarrassing.   

Actually Joe did run the best campaign in history. He knew the media would lie for him in an entirely unethical way and he allowed it to happen so he could win. Why give your political enemies something to run with when doing nothing is the winning strategy?