Being called a racist

[Irv]

I don’t like Biden calling me systematically racist.  I don’t think America is a racist country.  I don’t understand how this clown gets away with calling all White people racists.  What a jerk.  

[Tiberius]

Boy, all these elections schemes aimed at making it harder for black folk to vote sure are racist 

[US Egg]

Didn't think a puppet could get elected U.S. President:

 

Especially a puppet used to support racists:

 

 

 

Edited May 3, 2021 by I am the egg man

[Tiberius]

22 minutes ago, I am the egg man said:

Didn't think a puppet could get elected U.S. President:

 

Especially a puppet used to support racists:

 

 

 

At least you are admitting he won. 

 

@B-Man??? 

[Melon]

1 hour ago, Irv said:

I don’t like Biden calling me systematically racist.

 

Did Biden give you a buzz this morning and call you systemically racist?

Edited May 3, 2021 by Melon

[Doc]

1 hour ago, Irv said:

I don’t like Biden calling me systematically racist.  I don’t think America is a racist country.  I don’t understand how this clown gets away with calling all White people racists.  What a jerk.  

 

You're not.  It's those who think black people need white people to think, speak and act for them that are the real racists.

[Governor]

Someone is a little high on FOX this morning.

[SoCal Deek]

1 hour ago, Irv said:

I don’t like Biden calling me systematically racist.  I don’t think America is a racist country.  I don’t understand how this clown gets away with calling all White people racists.  What a jerk.  

That’s the beauty of it. He’s not calling you racist. He’s calling the ‘system’ racist. Now nobody’s explained what system these people are talking about  but don’t get fixated on the details. We’ve got a country to transform! 

[Melon]

This reeks of Newsmax to me

[All_Pro_Bills]

1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said:

That’s the beauty of it. He’s not calling you racist. He’s calling the ‘system’ racist. Now nobody’s explained what system these people are talking about  but don’t get fixated on the details. We’ve got a country to transform! 

Yup.  Refusing and evading quantification might be systemic too. 

 

But in the year 2021 what's the system being referred to (is it public or private, covert or overt, formal or information, organized or individual acts), what attributes of the system are racist, what are your statistical benchmarks, and how are you measuring and counting it to validate and support the theory there is "systemic racism"?  Otherwise, you're just arguing and advocating subjective data points vs. some objective theory backed by what might constitute proof.  Right now "systemic racism" is more or less a marketing campaign slogan. 

 

But I'm willing to be educated.  If anybody's got quantification vs. one or two anecdotal stories or some history lesson from the 1860's or 1950's I'd be interested. 

 

To add, I'm hearing more and more corporations, including the one I work for, bowing and praying at the alter of systemic racism and saying they're going to change and do better in things like minority hiring.  I don't know about how anyone else looks at this but if I was a minority candidate that was passed up for any job opening or promotion at any of these firms that are prostrating themselves asking for forgiveness I'd sue their asses for everything I could.  They're more or less admitting they screwed you.  

[SoCal Deek]

3 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

Yup.  Refusing and evading quantification might be systemic too. 

 

But in the year 2021 what's the system being referred to (is it public or private, covert or overt, formal or information, organized or individual acts), what attributes of the system are racist, what are your statistical benchmarks, and how are you measuring and counting it to validate and support the theory there is "systemic racism"?  Otherwise, you're just arguing and advocating subjective data points vs. some objective theory backed by what might constitute proof.  Right now "systemic racism" is more or less a marketing campaign slogan. 

 

But I'm willing to be educated.  If anybody's got quantification vs. one or two anecdotal stories or some history lesson from the 1860's or 1950's I'd be interested. 

 

To add, I'm hearing more and more corporations, including the one I work for, bowing and praying at the alter of systemic racism and saying they're going to change and do better in things like minority hiring.  I don't know about how anyone else looks at this but if I was a minority candidate that was passed up for any job opening or promotion at any of these firms that are prostrating themselves asking for forgiveness I'd sue their asses for everything I could.  They're more or less admitting they screwed you.  

I work/employ people in a technical field where everyone has a college degree. If anyone thinks we’re picking new hires by the color of the skin, they’re nuts! 

[Chef Jim]

1 hour ago, Tiberius said:

Boy, all these elections schemes aimed at making it harder for black folk to vote sure are racist 

Harder for black folks to vote?  So are you saying that of those people in specific geographic regions and socioeconomic groups that could be affected by these “schemes” only the “black folks” won’t be able to figure it out? 
 

I want you, and others screaming racism at these Bills, to contemplate that for a second. 

9 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

I work/employ people in a technical field where everyone has a college degree. If anyone thinks we’re picking new hires by the color of the skin, they’re nuts! 

Personally I think you’re nuts for requiring a college degree. 😏

[All_Pro_Bills]

6 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

I work/employ people in a technical field where everyone has a college degree. If anyone thinks we’re picking new hires by the color of the skin, they’re nuts! 

I hear you.  When I suggested we hire a few inexperienced high school drop-outs to improve our diversity profile in the areas of experience and education nobody seemed to get the comedic value of my statement!  Such is the plight of virtue signalers as there is no room for humor, joy, or happiness in their world.  

 

While such a move would negatively impact the team's performance in all possible ways our social justice score would stand out and perhaps qualify us for some recognition or reward.        

[SoCal Deek]

4 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

I hear you.  When I suggested we hire a few inexperienced high school drop-outs to improve our diversity profile in the areas of experience and education nobody seemed to get the comedic value of my statement!  Such is the plight of virtue signalers as there is no room for humor, joy, or happiness in their world.  

 

While such a move would negatively impact the team's performance in all possible ways our social justice score would stand out and perhaps qualify us for some recognition or reward.        

So one can only assume they’re talking about hiring non skilled labor then? I work in and around the construction industry. Virtually everyone on our construction sites is a ‘brown’ person. What ‘system’ are we talking about? 

[All_Pro_Bills]

Just now, SoCal Deek said:

So one can only assume they’re talking about hiring non skilled labor then? I work in and around the construction industry. Virtually everyone on our construction sites is a ‘brown’ person. What ‘system’ are we talking about? 

No, I'm talking about jobs that require highly skilled people with specific experience and advanced degrees in life sciences.  That's why my suggestion is ridiculous.  And that's why ultimately diversity hiring is ridiculous.  Because the bottom line is what's required for an effective and efficient organization or company is to hire and employ competent people rather then keeping score of the genetic profile of your company. 

[Governor]

24 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

So one can only assume they’re talking about hiring non skilled labor then? I work in and around the construction industry. Virtually everyone on our construction sites is a ‘brown’ person. What ‘system’ are we talking about? 

Criminal justice system.

 

The tax code.

 

The HC system discriminates against people that don’t have children.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

39 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

I work/employ people in a technical field where everyone has a college degree. If anyone thinks we’re picking new hires by the color of the skin, they’re nuts! 

Yeah Same. And I think this speaks to the point there are cultural issue that drive these thing. STEM isn’t cool in American culture, hence the demographics at tech companies are overwhelmingly immigrants or first generation Americans. It’s not some systemic conspiracy, it’s a cultural phenomenon. 

[Tiberius]

47 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

Harder for black folks to vote?  So are you saying that of those people in specific geographic regions and socioeconomic groups that could be affected by these “schemes” only the “black folks” won’t be able to figure it out? 
 

I want you, and others screaming racism at these Bills, to contemplate that for a second. 

Personally I think you’re nuts for requiring a college degree. 😏

You know, they see how black people vote, and they limit, restrict or eliminate that form. How can't you understand that? 

[SoCal Deek]

11 minutes ago, The Governor said:

Criminal justice system.

 

The tax code.

 

The HC system discriminates against people that don’t have children.

Those appear to be random words

Care to explain?

 

1 minute ago, Tiberius said:

You know, they see how black people vote, and they limit, restrict or eliminate that form. How can't you understand that? 

And how is that people with more pigment in their skin vote differently than people with less? Isn’t that in and of itself racist? How do left handed people vote? Tall people? Blondes?

[Governor]

3 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Those appear to be random words

Care to explain?

 

If you can’t see how the system benefits white, married couples that own homes and have children, then I guess we really do have a “systemic” problem in this country.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

22 minutes ago, The Governor said:

If you can’t see how the system benefits white, married couples that own homes and have children, then I guess we really do have a “systemic” problem in this country.

The ‘system’ benefits people who work hard and make good choices. As it should.
 

Home ownership is a reasonably wise investment, thus a good choice.

 

Having a partner in any way shape or form, to help raise a family so you aren’t on your own is a good choice.

 

if there were more effort spent on trying to raise the values of disadvantaged SES as opposed to vilify those values that have proven to lead to success repeatedly, we’d actually be seeing real ‘progress’, Instead of this train wreck rolling downhill towards a cliff we have now. 

 

Edited May 3, 2021 by Over 29 years of fanhood

[Tiberius]

47 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Those appear to be random words

Care to explain?

 

And how is that people with more pigment in their skin vote differently than people with less? Isn’t that in and of itself racist? How do left handed people vote? Tall people? Blondes?

They studied it, figured out how black people voted more, and attacked those methods. Denying that obvious fact is racist 

[Melon]

 

[TH3]

3 hours ago, Irv said:

I don’t like Biden calling me systematically racist.  I don’t think America is a racist country.  I don’t understand how this clown gets away with calling all White people racists.  What a jerk.  

Ya well....my boss will not hire a person of color and my neighbor who is an upstanding citizen and serves the public in many ways...well get 5 beers in him and he will explain how black people should be slaves again. 

 

When these events are rare instead of commonplace...you can continue your angst....

[SoCal Deek]

18 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

They studied it, figured out how black people voted more, and attacked those methods. Denying that obvious fact is racist 

Ugh!  I think what they were targeting (if they were at all) was people who were anticipated to vote for Democrats!  It's a chicken and egg thing.  So....why would people with darker skin vote for a particular political party?  Care to attempt an answer?

1 hour ago, The Governor said:

If you can’t see how the system benefits white, married couples that own homes and have children, then I guess we really do have a “systemic” problem in this country.

The 'system' (otherwise known as the Tax Code) benefits EVERYONE that is married, has children, and owns a home.  Nice try throwing in the 'white' thing.  I don't recall that being a line on my tax form.  However....if you're lobbying for the simplification of the Tax Code, getting rid of all deductions, and moving towards a flat tax....you'll get a big thumbs up from me!

[T master]

39 minutes ago, The Governor said:

If you can’t see how the system benefits white, married couples that own homes and have children, then I guess we really do have a “systemic” problem in this country.

 

If there are jobs out there to be had and you decide to sit on your behind and play video games or decide to follow what you have learned by taking advantage of the systems put in place to have benefits given to you (in times of need) rather than earn or work for what you get how is that systemic problem .

 

The only thing systemic with that is those that put welfare & such things in place to help people in times of need then allowing it to be taken advantage of by those that are lazy and would rather lie about their situation & sit home rather than earn their way .

 

Maybe they need to have it so that if your going to accept gov't assistance you need to perform a job for those monies giving to you for these gov't perks . Plus take drug tests while accepting gov't assistance and show receipts for purchases .

 

I do a federally monitored job & have to do randoms and prove where i've been with paper work why shouldn't they ? Maybe that's the motivation they need to get off their behinds & get a job. 

 

I remember at one point in my life when the minimum wage was $3.85 a hr and could have gotten hired at that amount i would have made more money staying on welfare (talk about a systemic incentive) but i decided to move to find better paying work which i believe is called motivation to do better . I did that and found a better paying job rather than depend on the gov't entitlement of welfare .

 

The same is happening today for some that are less than motivated it is easier to stay home play video games and play the system to do so by saying you have or are disabled so you can stay on gov't assistance or take these extended unemployment benefits and stay home rather than get another job .

 

Just yesterday i talked to a man that can't find people to hire because they are sitting home taking the extended benefits given out for unemployment rather than go to work so if there are jobs and you decide not to take them in that situation who's fault is it ? It is systemic for sure the system allowing you to be lazy ! 

 

Which some Americans have become very good at being .

[Tiberius]

14 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Ugh!  I think what they were targeting (if they were at all) was people who were anticipated to vote for Democrats!  It's a chicken and egg thing.  So....why would people with darker skin vote for a particular political party?  Care to attempt an answer?

The 'system' (otherwise known as the Tax Code) benefits EVERYONE that is married, has children, and owns a home.  Nice try throwing in the 'white' thing.  I don't recall that being a line on my tax form.  However....if you're lobbying for the simplification of the Tax Code, getting rid of all deductions, and moving towards a flat tax....you'll get a big thumbs up from me!

Black people vote 90% Democratic, so its both. Nice way to try and deflect.

[Motorin']

4 hours ago, Irv said:

I don’t like Biden calling me systematically racist.  I don’t think America is a racist country.  I don’t understand how this clown gets away with calling all White people racists.  What a jerk.  

 

You understand that you are not a system, right? But it seems like you are taking personally when someone says that mortgage policy, or property taxes, or the criminal justice system were setup for racist purposes. 

 

 

[Tiberius]

37 minutes ago, TH3 said:

Ya well....my boss will not hire a person of color and my neighbor who is an upstanding citizen and serves the public in many ways...well get 5 beers in him and he will explain how black people should be slaves again. 

 

When these events are rare instead of commonplace...you can continue your angst....

We won a floor hockey tournament once and we got like, a hundred dollars or something. I joked to the managers of the place that I was going to donate the money to the united ***** College Fund and oh boy did he go nuts. Pulled out a lighter and wanted to burn the money. 

[Motorin']

1 hour ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

The ‘system’ benefits people who work hard and make good choices. As it should.
 

Home ownership is a reasonably wise investment, thus a good choice.

 

Having a partner in any way shape or form, to help raise a family so you aren’t on your own is a good choice.

 

if there were more effort spent on trying to raise the values of disadvantaged SES as opposed to vilify those values that have proven to lead to success repeatedly, we’d actually be seeing real ‘progress’, Instead of this train wreck rolling downhill towards a cliff we have now. 

 

 

You don't seem to understand that millions of hard working black families were deprived of billions of dollars of generational wealth after Brown v. Board of Education due to racist mortgage and property tax laws. Families that made all the right choices. 

[Melon]

 

3 minutes ago, Motorin' said:

 

You don't seem to understand that millions of hard working black families were deprived of billions of dollars of generational wealth after Brown v. Board of Education due to racist mortgage and property tax laws. Families that made all the right choices. 

 

Don't forget insurance

 

Edited May 3, 2021 by Melon

[Orlando Tim]

41 minutes ago, TH3 said:

Ya well....my boss will not hire a person of color and my neighbor who is an upstanding citizen and serves the public in many ways...well get 5 beers in him and he will explain how black people should be slaves again. 

 

When these events are rare instead of commonplace...you can continue your angst....

Where do you live? That sounds horrible, how are you still there? A decent human being would make sure that kind of information is public knowledge instead of posting it here so these horrible people can keep hurting others.

3 minutes ago, Melon said:

 

 

Don't forget insurance

 

And this is the definition of intentional ignorance. The rates are not related to color of the person but the areas risk. If it was due to the color of the person someone would simply price the product better and get all the business from that area. My insurance rate is awesome because I live in an extremely safe area while my brother lives in a higher crime area and his is higher, is that because of his color? The best part is my area is much more diverse than his area.

[Doc]

59 minutes ago, Melon said:

 

 

Release...from what?

[oldmanfan]

There are still way too many people in this country, white people, that hate black people just because of the color of their skin.  There are still too many white and black people that hate Asian-Americans just because they look different.  And denying that is the problem.  

[TSOL]

It's funny how many BLM signs you see on people's lawns in affluent suburban neighborhoods. 

 

You don't see nearly as many of those signs on lawns in the urban, lower property value areas. 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

6 minutes ago, Motorin' said:

 

You don't seem to understand that millions of hard working black families were deprived of billions of dollars of generational wealth after Brown v. Board of Education due to racist mortgage and property tax laws. Families that made all the right choices. 

What is generational wealth? 
 

The only thing I own that is inherited as of yet is a plastic model of my Grammys 57 Chevy.  A very small segment of the population receives generational wealth and even if they do, it’s not transferred from your elders until you’re already in your 50’s or 60’s.  Mortgage practices were reformed  40 or 50 years ago. 

 

Plenty of immigrants come here with nothing except a good work ethic and family values and they succeed. Many even more disadvantaged due to language skills or education gaps. Why is it their cultures drive them to succeed? 
 

The culture of acceptability around single parent households, having all kinds of kids you can’t support, welfare dependency is today’s problem and it is a fundamental problem across all demographics. It’s the number 1 indicator of poverty no matter what you look like. 
 

Family, hard work. Everything else is an excuse at this point. 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

33 minutes ago, Melon said:

 

 

Don't forget insurance

 

Umm, they realize rates are determined by a lot more than, driving record right? It’s is the most mathematically derived pricing structure there is. 
 

The models include Likelihood of vandalism, theft, crime, of encountering uninsured drivers, commute distance, likelihood of accident based on population density? 

Geico doesn’t ask what your neighbors look like when giving a quote. 

 

I see this behavior pattern all the time; here is what I believe so how can I manipulate data to prove it. This isn’t science.  

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

2 hours ago, The Governor said:

Criminal justice system.

 

The tax code.

 

The HC system discriminates against people that don’t have children.

 

We should definitely look for a leader with fresh ideas who hasn't spent five decades intimately involved in the criminal justice system, the tax code, and health care.

 

Or, let's be bold and get a lifer who has become quite wealthy, and brought his family along for the ride in the Bentley.  

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

1 hour ago, TH3 said:

Ya well....my boss will not hire a person of color and my neighbor who is an upstanding citizen and serves the public in many ways...well get 5 beers in him and he will explain how black people should be slaves again. 

 

When these events are rare instead of commonplace...you can continue your angst....

I’m not sure how you can associate with such people and look yourself in the mirror. 

[Melon]