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11 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

They probably read the online comparison that put him compared to Jason Taylor it’s out there on the Internet

 

They are both tall and long DE’s with great sack production and both played in Miami (at some stage...when I think of Taylor I think Miami). Taylor used that ranginess to be effective. It was part of his “style” in my mind when I think of him. Taylor is listed as 6’6” and played at 245 lbs, which is much like Rousseau who is 6’7” and is now 266 lbs but supposedly has gained about 20 lbs since the film of him. I’m not saying they are the same player, but I don’t think the comparison is that ridiculous.  

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That is EXACTLY the right approach with a pick at 30.  Take the high upside athlete at a premium position.  

I trust this front office.   That’s all I got.

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4 hours ago, NewEra said:

Here’s the thing about Rousseau, imo.

 

he’s rarely going to beat him man on the edge and force the QB to throw or to move up in or out of the pocket. He’s the guy that going to get the sack after someone else forces the QB to scramble or reset.  I’m really starting to think he’s another 3T and once he gets stronger, he can be an anchor on the edge on early downs.  Swatting passes, playing the passing lanes and getting sacks on QBs transitioning in and out of the pocket is where he’ll make his money.  Hopefully additional strength will allow him to be a force be the run. 

I suspect he will be used as an interior pass rusher on passing downs this year. He did a lot of his work from the inside in his one big season. His pass rush win rate on the inside was dominant while his win rate on the outside was average. He's not a speed rusher or pure pass rusher at this point. He wins with power, tenacity, and an instinctual nose for the ball (having octopus arms helps as well). While he works on his outside moves he can play end on early downs and then kick inside on obvious passing downs while a speed rush specialist takes over at end. 

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36 minutes ago, Turk71 said:

I suspect he will be used as an interior pass rusher on passing downs this year. He did a lot of his work from the inside in his one big season. His pass rush win rate on the inside was dominant while his win rate on the outside was average. He's not a speed rusher or pure pass rusher at this point. He wins with power, tenacity, and an instinctual nose for the ball (having octopus arms helps as well). While he works on his outside moves he can play end on early downs and then kick inside on obvious passing downs while a speed rush specialist takes over at end. 


Im wondering how many DT’s we’ll carry... 

 

Would it be crazy to just have Star, Oliver and Butler?

 

Basham is better inside, and is really powerful.   Rousseau also a menace inside with his length and ability to get skinny and off blocks.  
 

Then there’s Epenesa and Obada, who are also inside/outside guys. 
 

Maybe they keep Harry as depth and just make him inactive on Gamedays? 
 

Hughes & Addison sound like their locks based on Beane’s comments.  

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3 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Im wondering how many DT’s we’ll carry... 

 

Would it be crazy to just have Star, Oliver and Butler?

 

Basham is better inside, and is really powerful.   Rousseau also a menace inside with his length and ability to get skinny and off blocks.  
 

Then there’s Epenesa and Obada, who are also inside/outside guys. 
 

Maybe they keep Harry as depth and just make him inactive on Gamedays? 
 

Hughes & Addison sound like their locks based on Beane’s comments.  

 

I think they'll have to keep 6 DEs.  If Hughes and Addison are locks, they're not cutting Rousseau or Basham, or even Epenesa after just 1 season, and probably wouldn't cut Obada who they just signed.  Considering they kept 10 DL to open the season last year, that means 4 DTs: Star, Oliver, and 2 from Zimmer, Butler and Phillips.  Maybe they keep 11 DL since they're no longer carrying a RS in Roberts.  I don't know.

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15 minutes ago, SCBills said:


Im wondering how many DT’s we’ll carry... 

 

Would it be crazy to just have Star, Oliver and Butler?

 

Basham is better inside, and is really powerful.   Rousseau also a menace inside with his length and ability to get skinny and off blocks.  
 

Then there’s Epenesa and Obada, who are also inside/outside guys. 
 

Maybe they keep Harry as depth and just make him inactive on Gamedays? 
 

Hughes & Addison sound like their locks based on Beane’s comments.  

A trade would not surprise me at all.

 

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14 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

Somebody said it earlier. The pick reminds me an awful lot of Jason Taylor. Anyone else see the same? 

 

Not really as a player.........Taylor was smaller, narrower, more athletic..........he was a PERFECT 3-4 OLB prospect.

 

It reminds me again of how frustrated I used to get with the Bills though..........and how Beane actually picks players in round 1 that I want.

 

John Butler was a decent drafter.........but he for some reason couldn't pick a pass rushing LB to save his life.......and Taylor was his biggest miss.

 

During that 1997 draft process Taylor was considered a fast riser.......he had become my favorite player in that draft........I believe the last Zimmerman SI mock draft even had Taylor going in round 1.......which, at the time was the last and most "connected" mock.    So I thought it was round 1 or no for the Bills and Taylor.

 

Everyone knew the Bills were leaning toward Antowain Smith in round 1, that pick was no surprise.

 

But in round 2 I remember being ecstatic that Taylor was on the board............and then Butler dropped a bomb on me and picked Marcellus Wiley.

 

That hurt.   I trusted Wiley would be solid but Taylor was going to be the dream pass rushing OLB.

 

My heart sank again when the Dolphins took him.   He had a great career but he would have been even better in a 3-4 IMO.

 

Butler got me back on board though when he took Jamie Nails in round 4...........Nails was another late riser who I think was also mocked by Zimmerman in round 1 in that same mock draft.   

 

Tossup which draft I was more exasperated with Butler about........passing on Taylor or not trading up in front of the Titans to get Jevon Kearse (who I had as the #2 overall player behind Champ Bailey in the 1999 draft).    That event played out here on TSW.

 

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8 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

John Butler was a decent drafter.........but he for some reason couldn't pick a pass rushing LB to save his life.......and Taylor was his biggest miss.

 

Decent? I suppose but he had several poor drafts.  I think that his best move as the Bills GM was to bring in Bryce Paup as a free agent. 

 

Butler did have what I consider to be a very good draft in 1995. Sadly, several of these players got seriously injured and it hurt their careers. 

 

From Drafthistory.com:

 

1995111414Ruben BrownGPittsburgh

 221345Todd CollinsQBMichigan

 331276Marlon KernerDBOhio State

 433296Damien CovingtonLBNorth Carolina State

 5411109Ken IrvinDBMemphis

 6415113Justin ArmourWRStanford

 7433131Tony ClineTEStanford

 8510144John HolecekLBIllinois

 9614185Shannon ClavelleDTColorado

 10713221Tom NuttenCWestern Michigan

 11736244Darick HolmesRBPortland State

 

Ruben was very good, and I think that Covington had as much talent as London Fletcher. Kerner and Irvin were good corners imo, especially Kerner. Holecek was very good but constantly injured, and Darrick was fantastic for a 7th round pick. 

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1 hour ago, Bill from NYC said:

Decent? I suppose but he had several poor drafts.  I think that his best move as the Bills GM was to bring in Bryce Paup as a free agent. 

 

Butlet did have what I consider to be a very good draft in 1995. Sadly, several of these players got seriously injured and it hurt their careers. 

 

From Drafthistory.com:

 

1995111414Ruben BrownGPittsburgh

 221345Todd CollinsQBMichigan

 331276Marlon KernerDBOhio State

 433296Damien CovingtonLBNorth Carolina State

 5411109Ken IrvinDBMemphis

 6415113Justin ArmourWRStanford

 7433131Tony ClineTEStanford

 8510144John HolecekLBIllinois

 9614185Shannon ClavelleDTColorado

 10713221Tom NuttenCWestern Michigan

 11736244Darick HolmesRBPortland State

 

Ruben was very good, and I think that Covington had as much talent as London Fletcher. Kerner and Irvin were good corners imo, especially Kerner. Holecek was very good but constantly injured, and Darrick was fantastic for a 7th round pick. 

 

Covington was on his way to becoming a great MLB until his achilles (I think) injury.  I didn't realize/forgot that he died in 2002 after getting shot in an attempted robbery.  Sad.

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6 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Covington was on his way to becoming a great MLB until his achilles (I think) injury.  I didn't realize/forgot that he died in 2002 after getting shot in an attempted robbery.  Sad.

 

I had forgotten this as well. Such a shame.

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4 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Covington was on his way to becoming a great MLB until his achilles (I think) injury.  I didn't realize/forgot that he died in 2002 after getting shot in an attempted robbery.  Sad.

I think Covington once had 17 tackles in one game, or something crazy like that. He was VERY hard to block. Holocek was also a top notch player and was only drafted late because of college injuries. He played well for a while but his body gave out. Same with Cowart. I remember that we lost virtually all of our LBs really close together. I think there was a game against Tampa Bay where there were multiple very serious injuries.

 

Many young fans just don't know what we had to endure. :) 

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47 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

I think Covington once had 17 tackles in one game, or something crazy like that. He was VERY hard to block. Holocek was also a top notch player and was only drafted late because of college injuries. He played well for a while but his body gave out. Same with Cowart. I remember that we lost virtually all of our LBs really close together. I think there was a game against Tampa Bay where there were multiple very serious injuries.

 

Many young fans just don't know what we had to endure. :) 

 

Yeah, Cowart was lost by a cheap shot in that TB game in 2001 I believe it was.  

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5 hours ago, Bill from NYC said:

Decent? I suppose but he had several poor drafts.  I think that his best move as the Bills GM was to bring in Bryce Paup as a free agent. 

 

Butler did have what I consider to be a very good draft in 1995. Sadly, several of these players got seriously injured and it hurt their careers. 

 

From Drafthistory.com:

 

1995111414Ruben BrownGPittsburgh

 221345Todd CollinsQBMichigan

 331276Marlon KernerDBOhio State

 433296Damien CovingtonLBNorth Carolina State

 5411109Ken IrvinDBMemphis

 6415113Justin ArmourWRStanford

 7433131Tony ClineTEStanford

 8510144John HolecekLBIllinois

 9614185Shannon ClavelleDTColorado

 10713221Tom NuttenCWestern Michigan

 11736244Darick HolmesRBPortland State

 

Ruben was very good, and I think that Covington had as much talent as London Fletcher. Kerner and Irvin were good corners imo, especially Kerner. Holecek was very good but constantly injured, and Darrick was fantastic for a 7th round pick. 

 

 

That was a really good draft......but even then,  I thought it was off-tune.

 

That was viewed as a loaded OL draft.......and the Bills OL had turned to horsesh*t.......that was what had ended their SB run more than anything........I was very disappointed that Butler didn't double down on the offensive line in round 2.

 

My preference was Brian DeMarco,  but he was off the board.    Next was Brendan Stai.  DeMarco didn't really have a great career but Stay had a very nice run in Pittsburgh.

 

Instead they went with Todd Collins........a pick I hated........as @Bob Lamb can attest when I mocked his acquisition of a signed rookie card of the Michigan soft tosser........I wasn't ready to turn the page on Jim Kelly,  I wanted to build a great OL around him.

 

Covington was indeed a beast.   Unfortunately the most memorable thing about his career was a scuffle where he ended up picking up gigantic Glenn Parker......at the time viewed as a soft player........and body slamming him on camera at training camp.    Video of that has to still exist online.   It was shocking and showed what immense power the smallish LB had.   Drop foot did him in.   Something similar to the injury that Jaylon Smith for Notre Dame/Dallas has/had.

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25 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

That was a really good draft......but even then,  I thought it was off-tune.

 

That was viewed as a loaded OL draft.......and the Bills OL had turned to horsesh*t.......that was what had ended their SB run more than anything........I was very disappointed that Butler didn't double down on the offensive line in round 2.

 

My preference was Brian DeMarco,  but he was off the board.    Next was Brendan Stai.  DeMarco didn't really have a great career but Stay had a very nice run in Pittsburgh.

 

Instead they went with Todd Collins........a pick I hated........as @Bob Lamb can attest when I mocked his acquisition of a signed rookie card of the Michigan soft tosser........I wasn't ready to turn the page on Jim Kelly,  I wanted to build a great OL around him.

 

Covington was indeed a beast.   Unfortunately the most memorable thing about his career was a scuffle where he ended up picking up gigantic Glenn Parker......at the time viewed as a soft player........and body slamming him on camera at training camp.    Video of that has to still exist online.   It was shocking and showed what immense power the smallish LB had.   Drop foot did him in.   Something similar to the injury that Jaylon Smith for Notre Dame/Dallas has/had.

I agree 100% and always felt as if the Bills neglect of the OL was the beginning of the end for the Bills. This, and letting the stars get old at the same time. Instead of trying to replace them, they drafted first round corners and running backs, which iirc Butler did in his first 2 seasons. 

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5 hours ago, Bill from NYC said:

I think Covington once had 17 tackles in one game, or something crazy like that. He was VERY hard to block. Holocek was also a top notch player and was only drafted late because of college injuries. He played well for a while but his body gave out. Same with Cowart. I remember that we lost virtually all of our LBs really close together. I think there was a game against Tampa Bay where there were multiple very serious injuries.

 

Many young fans just don't know what we had to endure. :) 

 

 

Holecek was a nice player but the thing I will always remember is Donahoe re-working his contract in April and then cutting him in May.........costing the team an additional $2M in cap space..........when he was on his total tear down tour.    Utter stupidity but fans were on board with the "5 years of cap hell narrative" (the f*cker was back shopping in free agency for "his guys" the very next offseason).   

 

That Holecek move ranks second only to Beane's 10 day trial with Corey Coleman that cost the Bills $3.5M in cap space for such sudden wastes of cap space.    

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Not sure if anyone else has posted this already, but if not....

I highly recommend listening to Rousseau's interview with Daniel Jeremiah from back during the 2020 college season. He gets complimented by Bucky Brooks for the degree to which he is a student of the game, particularly at his young age. Good interview. Rousseau clearly seems to have the drive to get better....the "growth mindset", if you will.

https://podcasts.apple.com/br/podcast/593-gregory-rousseau-on-his-decision-to-opt-out-art/id915544088?i=1000493270554&l=en

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1 hour ago, Bill from NYC said:

I agree 100% and always felt as if the Bills neglect of the OL was the beginning of the end for the Bills. This, and letting the stars get old at the same time. Instead of trying to replace them, they drafted first round corners and running backs, which iirc Butler did in his first 2 seasons. 

 

This is why people need to be on board with a pick like Greg Rousseau.

 

Yes, there is plenty of risk involved with a guy who has played one season on the DL in college at age 19.

 

But in the NFL you CAN go broke just making a profit early in the draft.    You need to replenish franchise difference makers.  

 

The Butler Bills tended to pick guys with low ceilings and impact potential early........perhaps with the idea being that they already had their impact players.    That's what allowed the Patriots to come up from behind and take them down as their stars aged out.

 

The first round of the draft should be for guys who would cost you $20M per season if they pan out...........not to fill the "need of the hour" like a frickin' RB.:doh:

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4 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

Holecek was a nice player but the thing I will always remember is Donahoe re-working his contract in April and then cutting him in May.........costing the team an additional $2M in cap space..........when he was on his total tear down tour.       

You know, I had pushed that move out of my head lol! 

 

Didn't Holocek make a game saving winning on a 4th and goal from our 1 or 2 yard line with no time remaining? I believe it was against Parcells with no time left. 

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