Orlando Tim Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 3 hours ago, Tiberius said: Ya, why is that? The same crowd loved George Zimmerman, too George Zimmerman was not a good guy but neither was Trayvon. The issue with Zimmerman was how many times the news-especially the Orlando Sentinel-lied about what happened. They had access to information and completely pretended that the info did not exist. They knew that Zimmerman was beaten that night and was in the hospital but they only admitted it literally months after the initial incorrect report. I do not have to "love" or even like someone to recognize that getting beyond a reasonable doubt is a high bar. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 4 hours ago, Melania Trump said: Why are those that stump for Chauvin’s defense the same that defend Matt Gaetz? Because they’re still members of the cult! Thank you for the support 3 hours ago, Tiberius said: Ya, why is that? The same crowd loved George Zimmerman, too The fake Trump wife troll contrarian bot arguing with left sheep bot. (Bills being Altleftsheepbot) self imposed programed carnage! 😂 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 18 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said: George Zimmerman was not a good guy but neither was Trayvon. The issue with Zimmerman was how many times the news-especially the Orlando Sentinel-lied about what happened. They had access to information and completely pretended that the info did not exist. They knew that Zimmerman was beaten that night and was in the hospital but they only admitted it literally months after the initial incorrect report. I do not have to "love" or even like someone to recognize that getting beyond a reasonable doubt is a high bar. NBC also doctored his phone call making it seem as if he was racist. They were all fired from their job. The only reason Zimmerman didn’t win tens of millions from nbc was because there is some ridiculous law that says he had to notify nbc within 3 days to retract their story. He didn’t so his lawsuit was thrown out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Bill Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 14 hours ago, SoCal Deek said: And there you’d be wrong. Fake news I guess. Must have been some kind of BRIAN SICKNICK joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 https://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/press-releases/fbi-releases-2019-statistics-on-law-enforcement-officers-killed-in-the-line-of-duty 48 officers killed in line of duty in 2019 https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/ Over a thousand people shot to death by police in 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 26 minutes ago, Tiberius said: https://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/press-releases/fbi-releases-2019-statistics-on-law-enforcement-officers-killed-in-the-line-of-duty 48 officers killed in line of duty in 2019 https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/ Over a thousand people shot to death by police in 2020 Wait! What? Are you suggesting that in some bizzaro Tibsian world you’d expect to see the numbers equal out? This isn’t a game of cops and robbers you nitwit! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 2 hours ago, Tiberius said: https://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/press-releases/fbi-releases-2019-statistics-on-law-enforcement-officers-killed-in-the-line-of-duty 48 officers killed in line of duty in 2019 https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/ Over a thousand people shot to death by police in 2020 Out of millions of incidents of police contact. With what officers face every day, that number ( around annual average) is very low. On the flip side, we’ve lost over 100 officers this year already. The media-stoked hate against police is getting worse. Why are you comparing the two numbers anyway? Are you implying more officers should be killed to “ even things out”? The Cops are the ones going up against the actual criminals you know. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 (edited) 13 hours ago, Buffalo Timmy said: George Zimmerman was not a good guy but neither was Trayvon. The issue with Zimmerman was how many times the news-especially the Orlando Sentinel-lied about what happened. They had access to information and completely pretended that the info did not exist. They knew that Zimmerman was beaten that night and was in the hospital but they only admitted it literally months after the initial incorrect report. I do not have to "love" or even like someone to recognize that getting beyond a reasonable doubt is a high bar. My issue with the Zimmerman case was the interpretation of the Florida stand your ground law. After calling 911 about a suspicious individual the police through the dispatcher gave Zimmerman clear instructions to stay in his vehicle and do not approach the suspect. But he chose to ignore this request, left his vehicle, and confronted Martin. A physical confrontation followed. My contention was that you cannot initiate a confrontation, specifically disregarding police instructions in this case, and claim self-defense when the other person engages in what they logically believe is defending themselves against an attacker. In this case Zimmerman being the attacker of Martin who for all purposes had no idea what Zimmerman was up to here. Given these circumstances I thought Zimmerman was guilty of at a minimum negligent homicide. 48 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: Out of millions of incidents of police contact. With what officers face every day, that number ( around annual average) is very low. On the flip side, we’ve lost over 100 officers this year already. The media-stoked hate against police is getting worse. Why are you comparing the two numbers anyway? Are you implying more officers should be killed to “ even things out”? The Cops are the ones going up against the actual criminals you know. The left has a hard-on for the police because local law enforcement is one of the few, or maybe the only, large public institution they do not control. Edited April 13, 2021 by All_Pro_Bills 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T&C Posted April 13, 2021 Author Share Posted April 13, 2021 Prosecutors rest their case against ex-cop Derek Chauvin in Floyd’s death: https://www.baynews9.com/fl/tampa/news/2021/04/13/derek-chauvin-trial-prosecution-rests-george-floyd-death 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 1 hour ago, All_Pro_Bills said: My issue with the Zimmerman case was the interpretation of the Florida stand your ground law. After calling 911 about a suspicious individual the police through the dispatcher gave Zimmerman clear instructions to stay in his vehicle and do not approach the suspect. But he chose to ignore this request, left his vehicle, and confronted Martin. A physical confrontation followed. My contention was that you cannot initiate a confrontation, specifically disregarding police instructions in this case, and claim self-defense when the other person engages in what they logically believe is defending themselves against an attacker. In this case Zimmerman being the attacker of Martin who for all purposes had no idea what Zimmerman was up to here. Given these circumstances I thought Zimmerman was guilty of at a minimum negligent homicide. You are absolutely correct that Stand your Ground should never been allowed. The only reason it was allowed is Zimmermans father is a judge and he called in a favor. I will disagree about the homicide because where they brawled Trayvon was definitely not walking straight home, he hid and attacked Zimmerman. It can still be self defense as long as you don't provoke the other person and I believe Zimmerman was just trying to follow him not fight him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unforgiven Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 5 hours ago, SoCal Deek said: Wait! What? Are you suggesting that in some bizzaro Tibsian world you’d expect to see the numbers equal out? This isn’t a game of cops and robbers you nitwit! Give him a break, he prolly never got to statistics 101...more than likely statistics is considered racist by now anyhow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 3 hours ago, Boatdrinks said: Out of millions of incidents of police contact. With what officers face every day, that number ( around annual average) is very low. On the flip side, we’ve lost over 100 officers this year already. The media-stoked hate against police is getting worse. Why are you comparing the two numbers anyway? Are you implying more officers should be killed to “ even things out”? The Cops are the ones going up against the actual criminals you know. No, it just looks like cops are so fearful because there are so many guns that have flooded our society that they are pretty scared and shoot a lot. Too many guns. That's a big reason policing is so difficult 12 minutes ago, Unforgiven said: Give him a break, he prolly never got to statistics 101...more than likely statistics is considered racist by now anyhow. You are a stupid idiot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 29 minutes ago, Tiberius said: No, it just looks like cops are so fearful because there are so many guns that have flooded our society that they are pretty scared and shoot a lot. Or....how about people just STOP RESISTING ARREST when or about to be handcuffed! This latest incident was a tragedy for sure but you can't fast forward to the end and put all of the blame on the officers. What in the world was this kid thinking? The officers are peacefully placing him under arrest, and he jumps back in the car to drive away? This is not a game! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSOL Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 10 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Or....how about people just STOP RESISTING ARREST when or about to be handcuffed! This latest incident was a tragedy for sure but you can't fast forward to the end and put all of the blame on the officers. What in the world was this kid thinking? The officers are peacefully placing him under arrest, and he jumps back in the car to drive away? This is not a game! That's why in canada and england they would have just let him go. To use the billions of dollars we have invested in technology to find him at a later date. This was not a life or death infraction he was being arrested for. Trigger happy cops with egos from being trained like they are junior special ops forces aren't what this country needs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 3 minutes ago, TSOL said: That's why in canada and england they would have just let him go. To use the billions of dollars we have invested in technology to find him at a later date. This was not a life or death infraction he was being arrested for. Trigger happy cops with egos from being trained like they are junior special ops forces aren't what this country needs I see. So you'd place none of the blame on this young man? Can't we teach people how to behave when being placed under arrest? Can't we tell people to stop running from police in high speed pursuits? Has it really become a free for all out there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T&C Posted April 13, 2021 Author Share Posted April 13, 2021 Watching the trial live now... seems to have taken a left turn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSOL Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 3 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: I see. So you'd place none of the blame on this young man? Can't we teach people how to behave when being placed under arrest? Can't we tell people to stop running from police in high speed pursuits? Has it really become a free for all out there? Kim Potter is a 26 year veteran of the police force, she has been a cop for longer than he has been alive. He was trying to run from an expired registration ticket. No, I put no responsibility on him. She's the one with how many hours of state provided training, she's the one with a state issued firearm on her hip. The responsibility lies solely on the one with the gun. I'm very pro 2nd amendment btw, I just think the cops need to be scaled back a bit. By your logic, it would have been Bandits fault if Buford Justice would have blown his brains out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 6 minutes ago, TSOL said: Kim Potter is a 26 year veteran of the police force, she has been a cop for longer than he has been alive. He was trying to run from an expired registration ticket. No, I put no responsibility on him. She's the one with how many hours of state provided training, she's the one with a state issued firearm on her hip. The responsibility lies solely on the one with the gun. I'm very pro 2nd amendment btw, I just think the cops need to be scaled back a bit. By your logic, it would have been Bandits fault if Buford Justice would have blown his brains out Had he complied and not tried to run would he be likely be alive today? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSOL Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 Just now, Chef Jim said: Had he complied and not tried to run would he be likely be alive today? I'm not going to deal in hypotheticals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 1 minute ago, TSOL said: I'm not going to deal in hypotheticals Sorry you 've already dealt in hypotheticals. You just choose which hypotheticals you want to speak to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T&C Posted April 13, 2021 Author Share Posted April 13, 2021 Gotta say, the dude on the stand reminds me of... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 1 hour ago, Tiberius said: No, it just looks like cops are so fearful because there are so many guns that have flooded our society that they are pretty scared and shoot a lot. Too many guns. That's a big reason policing is so difficult You are a stupid idiot Well, there certainly are a lot of guns( mostly illegal ones) and lots and lots of criminals. That certainly leads to Cops needing to fire their weapons. Even in this case involving Wright, he had an outstanding warrant for an unlicensed gun. This will always be a problem because criminals don’t obey laws. Notice we haven’t been able to eradicate murder even though it’s illegal everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 9 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: Well, there certainly are a lot of guns( mostly illegal ones) and lots and lots of criminals. That certainly leads to Cops needing to fire their weapons. Even in this case involving Wright, he had an outstanding warrant for an unlicensed gun. This will always be a problem because criminals don’t obey laws. Notice we haven’t been able to eradicate murder even though it’s illegal everywhere. Just so easy in this country for criminals, insane people, people angry at someone, drug addicts, drunks and imbeciles to get guns. The NRA has made sure of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 2 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Just so easy in this country for criminals, insane people, people angry at someone, drug addicts, drunks and imbeciles to get guns. The NRA has made sure of that. So what do you suggest we do to make it more difficult for people who shouldn't have guns to get them? And I'm not asking this to argue. I'm asking for a real conversation because we need to do something. I've offered my ideas. What are yours? And if you've offered them I'm sorry I don't remember them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSOL Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 41 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: Sorry you 've already dealt in hypotheticals. You just choose which hypotheticals you want to speak to. No What I gave was an analogy, not a hypothetical. Now THAT I'll argue with you, the difference between an analogy and a hypothetical. Not this "is she would have this then he would have that" crap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 5 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Just so easy in this country for criminals, insane people, people angry at someone, drug addicts, drunks and imbeciles to get guns. The NRA has made sure of that. It is easy for them, but nothing to do with the NRA. They mostly get illegal guns. There are a lot of criminals and those who would harm us. . that’s why we need Cops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 Just now, Boatdrinks said: It is easy for them, but nothing to do with the NRA. They mostly get illegal guns. There are a lot of criminals and those who would harm us. . that’s why we need Cops. What laws has NRA supported to get rid of illegal guns? **** I only caught parts of the defense witnesses. Thought the Park Officers testimony was pretty mundane and useless for the defense. Only saw parts of the use of force guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 Pretty affective cross examination here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 30 minutes ago, Tiberius said: What laws has NRA supported to get rid of illegal guns? **** I only caught parts of the defense witnesses. Thought the Park Officers testimony was pretty mundane and useless for the defense. Only saw parts of the use of force guy Laws to get rid of illegal guns? Hmmmm is that like laws to stop illegal murders? Seems redundant at best. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 5 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: Laws to get rid of illegal guns? Hmmmm is that like laws to stop illegal murders? Seems redundant at best. No, the NRA has fought against the tracking of guns and keeping guns from getting to people who should not have them Do you think a man should have his guns taken away if he is arrested for domestic abuse? In your opinion. The NRA doesn’t Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 1 minute ago, Tiberius said: No, the NRA has fought against the tracking of guns and keeping guns from getting to people who should not have them Do you think a man should have his guns taken away if he is arrested for domestic abuse? In your opinion. The NRA doesn’t We have laws restricting guns already. There is a procedure to follow. Law abiding citizens follow them. I’m fine with certain offenders not being allowed to possess weapons. These laws already exist. The NRA doesn’t make law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 1 minute ago, Tiberius said: No, the NRA has fought against the tracking of guns and keeping guns from getting to people who should not have them Do you think a man should have his guns taken away if he is arrested for domestic abuse? In your opinion. The NRA doesn’t No one should lose their rights if "arrested", we all assume you meant convicted. Naturally............you are Lying. The NRA has never advocated for criminals to own guns. I also can’t find evidence that the NRA has advocated for felons still in jail or on probation/parole to be allowed to carry guns. However, what I can find evidence of is the NRA supporting laws that allow former felons, who have completed their sentences and are no longer on parole/probation to petition to have their 2nd Amendment rights restored. I firmly believe that when the law operates in this way, to continue to deny a person their civil rights after the completion of their sentence for a crime, then that is in fact a violation of the 8th Amendment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 2 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: We have laws restricting guns already. There is a procedure to follow. Law abiding citizens follow them. I’m fine with certain offenders not being allowed to possess weapons. These laws already exist. The NRA doesn’t make law. But it’s a lobbying organization with a ton of clout with Republicans. It probably does write laws, actually. But they GOP just pretends they do. Just now, B-Man said: No one should lose their rights if "arrested", we all assume you meant convicted. Naturally............you are Lying. The NRA has never advocated for criminals to own guns. I also can’t find evidence that the NRA has advocated for felons still in jail or on probation/parole to be allowed to carry guns. However, what I can find evidence of is the NRA supporting laws that allow former felons, who have completed their sentences and are no longer on parole/probation to petition to have their 2nd Amendment rights restored. I firmly believe that when the law operates in this way, to continue to deny a person their civil rights after the completion of their sentence for a crime, then that is in fact a violation of the 8th Amendment. No, just arrested. Take their guns away, they might murder their wife. They can can have them back later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Boatdrinks Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 3 minutes ago, Tiberius said: But it’s a lobbying organization with a ton of clout with Republicans. It probably does write laws, actually. But they GOP just pretends they do. No, just arrested. Take their guns away, they might murder their wife. They can can have them back later. That will never happen due to liberal Dems. Heck I know Cops that had to leave the scene of a domestic doing absolutely nothing because of bail reform even though they were concerned the individual was going to beat or even kill their spouse/ girlfriend etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 7 minutes ago, B-Man said: That witness for defense got shot up pretty good on cross. I mean, trying to breathe is resisting arrest? Ok! 8 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: That will never happen due to liberal Dems. Heck I know Cops that had to leave the scene of a domestic doing absolutely nothing because of bail reform even though they were concerned the individual was going to beat or even kill their spouse/ girlfriend etc. Lol, ya sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 13 minutes ago, Tiberius said: That witness for defense got shot up pretty good on cross. I mean, trying to breathe is resisting arrest? Ok! Lol, ya sure There’s video of Floyd being arrested last year where he said the same thing about can’t breath or whatever. As for the Cops, you think I’m lying? They’ve told me these examples personally and were very concerned for the women involved. Most Cops are good and want to help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 22 minutes ago, Tiberius said: That witness for defense got shot up pretty good on cross. I mean, trying to breathe is resisting arrest? Ok! A rather odd response to a post with a video. Oh wait, it's Tibs trying (and failing) to change the subject. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 3 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: There’s video of Floyd being arrested last year where he said the same thing about can’t breath or whatever. As for the Cops, you think I’m lying? They’ve told me these examples personally and were very concerned for the women involved. Most Cops are good and want to help. I think most people have trouble breathing when anxiety kicks in. It's actually a physiological response to panic, the diaphragm muscles that need to expand to take a full breath tighten and you actually can't get full breaths. But even if Floyd was lying about not being able to breathe before he was put on the ground, suffocating him to death is an extreme form of "I'll give you something to cry about." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 (edited) 40 minutes ago, B-Man said: And George Wallace as Governor of Alabama stood in the door of a school building proclaiming "segregation now segregation tomorrow segregation forever." Alabama state law was on his side. You're making it very clear what world you want to live in. It is truly sadistic. Edited April 13, 2021 by Motorin' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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