Derek Chauvin Trial

[JaCrispy]

7 hours ago, Niagara Bill said:

A society that is so evolved that 73,000,000 voted for a guy who lied every day, exaggerated every day, ridiculed others everyday, flipped positions everyday and created circumstances that killed 557,000 and the Jan6th riots.

For goodness sake leh, just say it us obvious that Chauvin is guilty of something between manslaughter and murder2. 

Your cred is harmed when you cannot at least move towards a reasonable position.

Reasonable to you...but all the evidence must be looked at before you come to that conclusion...look at OJ Simpson...everyone wanted to rush to judgement just because he was fleeing cops, or attempted suicide, or had his blood at the scene of the crime, or had the smallest bit of motive, or had a history of violence...but it was important to wait and see all the evidence first, because in the end, it showed there was enough doubt to be skeptical...👍

[Chef Jim]

7 hours ago, Niagara Bill said:

A society that is so evolved that 73,000,000 voted for a guy who lied every day, exaggerated every day, ridiculed others everyday, flipped positions everyday and created circumstances that killed 557,000 and the Jan6th riots.

For goodness sake leh, just say it us obvious that Chauvin is guilty of something between manslaughter and murder2. 

Your cred is harmed when you cannot at least move towards a reasonable position.

 

I find it quite entertaining you used the word exaggerated in this post to refer to someone else.  

[Orlando Tim]

4 hours ago, Motorin' said:

 

I think several right wing commentators are guilty of what they are accusing the left leaning media of doing. They seem to be focusing exclusively on the defense's arguments and ignoring the plethora of expert witnesses the prosecution has used to counter. 

 

Which leads me to conclude they are rooting for an acquittal. They would get to preen about how stupid the lame stream media is, and when riots break out, they'll get to assume their favorite position as they stand in condemnation of the evil left wing mob. 

 

I don't buy for a second that any of them are just trying to be fair and objective, and just "calling it as they see it." You really have to twist your mind to the position  that it is legal and safe to kneel on someone's neck, let along for nearly 10 minutes, and that continuing to kneel on someone's neck after they go unresponsive and die is the fault of the person being kneeled on.

 

That's why I called it sadism. Both what Chauvin did, and the people who appear to be rooting for his acquittal. 

I think most of the media is hoping for an acquittal- the stories write themselves and both sides get to pretend their side is morally correct.  If Chauvin is found guilty he will die in prison and the only articles written will be his epitaph. 

[Motorin']

Just now, Buffalo Timmy said:

I think most of the media is hoping for an acquittal- the stories write themselves and both sides get to pretend their side is morally correct.  If Chauvin is found guilty he will die in prison and the only articles written will be his epitaph. 

 

That is a pretty cynical view about the media, but I don't doubt that to be the case on some instances. 

 

From my perspective, I'd like to think this trial is, or could be, about something bigger. I talked to a cop last week while I was on a job, and he said he thinks cops are the biggest villains right now because of a few bad apples ruining it for all of them. My reaction was that if the good cops started policing their own and got the small number of sociopaths out of the force as soon as possible rather than remaining silent, it would be in everyones best interest. 

 

There's been way too many instances of good cops getting thrown off the force for calling out vile behavior of the bad apples. That needs to change, and if anything positive comes from this trial my hope is that it becomes OK for cops to speak out against the worst violent offenders in their own departments. 

 

 

[Tiberius]

26 minutes ago, JaCrispy said:

Reasonable to you...but all the evidence must be looked at before you come to that conclusion...look at OJ Simpson...everyone wanted to rush to judgement just because he was fleeing cops, or attempted suicide, or had his blood at the scene of the crime, or had the smallest bit of motive, or had a history of violence...but it was important to wait and see all the evidence first, because in the end, it showed there was enough doubt to be skeptical...👍

You think there is doubt in this case so far? 

[Boatdrinks]

Was there doubt in the OJ trial at this point? 

[Tiberius]

Just now, Boatdrinks said:

Was there doubt in the OJ trial at this point? 

The OJ trial has no standing here 

[Motorin']

2 hours ago, B-Man said:

 

 

Great find, it's a clip of the medical examiner classifying Gorge Floyd's death as homicide, where your chosen commentator interpreted the testimony to mean that Floyd died because of hyper tension, drug use and stress:

 

 

 

[Chef Jim]

2 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

The OJ trial has no standing here 

 

Absolutely does.  

[Tiberius]

2 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

Absolutely does.  

Both had racist cops involved? 
 

A racist cop got OJ off

 

Lawyers question: Did you plant the bloody glove? 
 

Mark Fehrman: I plead the fifth as the answer may incriminate me 

[Niagara Bill]

7 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

That has to be one of your all time worst posts. This literally has nothing to do with Trump or your Q obsession. (And the only person ‘murdered’ at the Capitol was a protestor.) 

Seems to me a policeman lost his life.,

[Motorin']

Just now, Chef Jim said:

 

Absolutely does.  

 

There wasn't a video of OJ killing Nicole and Ron. 

 

But yes, everyone gets due process. I stand by the claim that it is a sadistic and murderous act to kneel on someone's neck for almost 10 minutes until they die. And it is sadistic to blame the person who was killed for their own death.  

[JaCrispy]

20 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

You think there is doubt in this case so far? 

Perhaps...from some of the reporting, it seems like the case may not be as clear cut as we initially thought...I’m glad I’m not on the jury...

[Chef Jim]

12 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Both had racist cops involved? 
 

A racist cop got OJ off

 

Lawyers question: Did you plant the bloody glove? 
 

Mark Fehrman: I plead the fifth as the answer may incriminate me 

 

Sigh....why do I even bother.

 

Plant the seed of doubt in a jury and even a pretty guilty murderer goes free.  

[SoCal Deek]

18 minutes ago, Niagara Bill said:

Seems to me a policeman lost his life.,

And there you’d be wrong. 

[Boatdrinks]

40 minutes ago, Motorin' said:

 

That is a pretty cynical view about the media, but I don't doubt that to be the case on some instances. 

 

From my perspective, I'd like to think this trial is, or could be, about something bigger. I talked to a cop last week while I was on a job, and he said he thinks cops are the biggest villains right now because of a few bad apples ruining it for all of them. My reaction was that if the good cops started policing their own and got the small number of sociopaths out of the force as soon as possible rather than remaining silent, it would be in everyones best interest. 

 

There's been way too many instances of good cops getting thrown off the force for calling out vile behavior of the bad apples. That needs to change, and if anything positive comes from this trial my hope is that it becomes OK for cops to speak out against the worst violent offenders in their own departments. 

 

 

I couldn’t disagree more. First, it’s become impossible to be too cynical about today’s media. They’ve earned that cynicism, and there’s no sign of anything returning to a degree of respectability. They’re 98% liberal activists. Which brings me to your thought on cops and why the cop you referenced has it wrong. 

   The very few bad apple cops are not the reason cops are currently the biggest villains. Your theory on self policing weeding out the bad apples is just not possible. There are a few bad apples everywhere, in all professions and walks of life. If they were able to be weeded out by peer action, there wouldn’t be any. Anywhere. No employees who “ go postal” and shoot up the workplace. No thieves, embezzlers, molesters etc etc. It’s dream world thinking. The trouble isn’t the bad apples( they are indeed few )  , it’s the media. It’s politicians, and it’s social media. It’s a lack of perspective and critical thinking skills on the part of a hugely brainwashed segment of society that has been growing in number through media and school indoctrination for decades now. The few bad apple instances per annum are sensationalized and over reported, while the actual overall  numbers of them are ignored, not talked about , and not paid attention to because they don’t support the narrative. Meanwhile, far more outrageous killings by civilians that were intentional acts are downplayed, minimized and buried in the back pages because truth is no longer prioritized. The media today sells racism. There was very little in the mainstream about the outrageous murder of an Uber Eats driver by a couple of teenage heathens trying to car jack him. They were so depraved that they were more worried about losing a cellphone when they were detained. That’s just one example. Twenty murders have occurred in li’l old Buffalo already this year. That’s probably an average weekend in a place like Chicago. It’s getting worse through misguided liberal policies such as bail reform. If this violence is brought up in the media , it’s usually through the lens of gun control. Never mind that such crimes are overwhelmingly committed with illegal guns. The fact is, annual police involved shootings in the USA are fairly consistent occurring around a thousand or less per year. Fatal shooting are less, and those involving unarmed persons of color even fewer. Last year was less than 15. Far more Caucasian suspects are shot ( about 400 per year) as well as Hispanics.  A thousand police involved shootings is a spectacularly low number per year considering the number of police calls and the amount of violent criminals encountered. The media and Democrat party want people to believe that thousands of unarmed minorities are shot by police per year and the numbers tell a completely different story. Anyone can check them for themselves,  but sadly most are too naive or dumb to be bothered. 

Edited April 12, 2021 by Boatdrinks

[SoCal Deek]

19 minutes ago, Motorin' said:

 

There wasn't a video of OJ killing Nicole and Ron. 

 

But yes, everyone gets due process. I stand by the claim that it is a sadistic and murderous act to kneel on someone's neck for almost 10 minutes until they die. And it is sadistic to blame the person who was killed for their own death.  

I don’t want to get into an entire debate here but wasn’t it shown that he was actually kneeling on his shoulder? Or doesn’t that fit the narrative? It doesn’t make what the officer did right, but at least we should get the facts straight.

[Boatdrinks]

14 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

Sigh....why do I even bother.

 

Plant the seed of doubt in a jury and even a pretty guilty murderer goes free.  

True.... and will people  stop saying “ plead the fifth”. The fifth is not a damn plea! Sorry for the rant lol 

Edited April 12, 2021 by Boatdrinks

[Tiberius]

15 minutes ago, JaCrispy said:

Perhaps...from some of the reporting, it seems like the case may not be as clear cut as we initially thought...I’m glad I’m not on the jury...

Lol, no, it’s pretty clear cut. Thanks though 🙏 

[Boatdrinks]

27 minutes ago, Niagara Bill said:

Seems to me a policeman lost his life.,

Wasn’t murdered. It appears he suffered a medical episode. The only person shot was an unarmed female protester. 

[Tiberius]

15 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

Sigh....why do I even bother.

 

Plant the seed of doubt in a jury and even a pretty guilty murderer goes free.  

So you agree he is obviously guilty? 

3 hours ago, B-Man said:

 

Can’t defend the killer, so try and attack the free press.

 

Yawn 

[Boatdrinks]

Guilty and being found guilty in a court of law are not the same thing. Guilty people do walk free. This is true regardless of one’s take on Chauvin. 

[Chef Jim]

Just now, Tiberius said:

So you agree he is obviously guilty? 

 

Do I agree with whom?  

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

55 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

I find it quite entertaining you used the word exaggerated in this post to refer to someone else.  

Plus I thought it was north of 80,000,000 who voted for Biden but maybe the Les Habitant crowd has some insider intel from young Trudeau. 

[Chef Jim]

3 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

Plus I thought it was north of 80,000,000 who voted for Biden but maybe the Les Habitant crowd has some insider intel from young Trudeau. 

 

It's the vote conversion from loonies to non-loonies.  

[Tiberius]

9 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

Guilty and being found guilty in a court of law are not the same thing. Guilty people do walk free. This is true regardless of one’s take on Chauvin. 

He won’t be found not guilty. That will not happen. 

[SoCal Deek]

10 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

Guilty and being found guilty in a court of law are not the same thing. Guilty people do walk free. This is true regardless of one’s take on Chauvin. 

And you’re going to be the one to decide? Good to know! Can you give America your 800 number? 

[Boatdrinks]

Just now, Tiberius said:

He won’t be found not guilty. That will not happen. 

In this one rare instance, you may be right. 

[T&C]

Banana mayonnaise sandwiches, can't wrap my head around this one. Yow.

 

https://www.baynews9.com/fl/tampa/news/2021/04/12/chauvin-trial-george-floyd-prosecution-nears-end

[Motorin']

13 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

I don’t want to get into an entire debate here but wasn’t it shown that he was actually kneeling on his shoulder? Or doesn’t that fit the narrative? It doesn’t make what the officer did right, but at least we should get the facts straight.

 

You seem to be focusing excusivley on the defense narrative that has been refuted by expert witnesses and piles of video evidence. 

 

Was there a still frame that showed Chauvin's knee on Floyd's shoulder? Absolutely. 

 

Are there many many minutes of video that show his knee on his neck? Absolutely. 

 

If you watch the video and do not see a man being slowly suffocated to death, I don't know what to tell you. 

 

Do me a favor, watch how Chauvin picks up George Floyd's pulseless body by the handcuffs and drags him across the street when the paramedics arrive and let me know if Chauvin is a man that seems to respect George Floyd's basic human right to life. 

 

[Boatdrinks]

1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said:

And you’re going to be the one to decide? Good to know! Can you give America your 800 number? 

Me, decide that? Hell no!!

[JaCrispy]

18 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Lol, no, it’s pretty clear cut. Thanks though 🙏 

Did witnesses specifically testify that the cause of death was suffocation due to the kneeling? What about the testifying of narcotics that appear to have been consumed/ in the blood stream before the kneeling? Do we know that the drugs played NO part? Perhaps...but that, right there, might raise doubt amongst one of the jurors- even if it doesn’t with you...
 

And that’s just the cause of death...next you have to determine intent- which is even harder...

 

As much as we detest what Chauvin did, each person is due a fair trial, and every aspect of the situation must be examined to the fullest...

Edited April 12, 2021 by JaCrispy

[Tiberius]

2 minutes ago, Motorin' said:

 

You seem to be focusing excusivley on the defense narrative that has been refuted by expert witnesses and piles of video evidence. 

 

Was there a still frame that showed Chauvin's knee on Floyd's shoulder? Absolutely. 

 

Are there many many minutes of video that show his knee on his neck? Absolutely. 

 

If you watch the video and do not see a man being slowly suffocated to death, I don't know what to tell you. 

 

Do me a favor, watch how Chauvin picks up George Floyd's pulseless body by the handcuffs and drags him across the street when the paramedics arrive and let me know if Chauvin is a man that seems to respect George Floyd's basic human right to life. 

 

That last part, it was just horrible. 

[SoCal Deek]

1 minute ago, Motorin' said:

 

You seem to be focusing excusivley on the defense narrative that has been refuted by expert witnesses and piles of video evidence. 

 

Was there a still frame that showed Chauvin's knee on Floyd's shoulder? Absolutely. 

 

Are there many many minutes of video that show his knee on his neck? Absolutely. 

 

If you watch the video and do not see a man being slowly suffocated to death, I don't know what to tell you. 

 

Do me a favor, watch how Chauvin picks up George Floyd's pulseless body by the handcuffs and drags him across the street when the paramedics arrive and let me know if Chauvin is a man that seems to respect George Floyd's basic human right to life. 

 

Once again, not trying to get into an entire debate here. I’ve watched literally none of this trial. I’ve only seen small excerpts. I believe I already said it doesn’t make anything the officer did right. 

[Tiberius]

Just now, JaCrispy said:

Did witnesses specifically testify that the cause of death was suffocation due to the kneeling? What about the testifying of narcotics that appear to have been consumed/ in the blood stream before the kneeling? Do we know that the drugs played NO part? Perhaps...but that, right there, might raise doubt amongst one of the jurors- even if it doesn’t with you...
 

And that’s just the cause of death...next you have to determine intent- which is even harder...

 

As much as we detest what Chauvin did, each person is due a fair trial, and every aspect of the situation must be examined...

Expert witnesses in many areas testified of the guilt of the defendant and what he did wrong that ended up killing Floyd 

 

 

[Motorin']

Just now, SoCal Deek said:

Once again, not trying to get into an entire debate here. I’ve watched literally none of this trial. I’ve only seen small excerpts. I believe I already said it doesn’t make anything the officer did right. 

 

Chauvin has a right to a fair trial, and the defense is doing the best job it can for what they are paid to do. 

 

I'm sure there are commentators who would take a still frame representing 1/30th of a second and try to claim that it is represenative of the entire 10 minutes. 

 

It's also true that a knee and leg and be on the shoulder and neck at the same time. 

 

The medical report was ruled death due to lack of oxygen and homicide.

 

 

 

 

[Melon]

Why are those that stump for Chauvin’s defense the same that defend Matt Gaetz?

 

Because they’re still members of the cult! Thank you for the support 

[T&C]

12 minutes ago, JaCrispy said:

Did witnesses specifically testify that the cause of death was suffocation due to the kneeling? What about the testifying of narcotics that appear to have been consumed/ in the blood stream before the kneeling? Do we know that the drugs played NO part? Perhaps...but that, right there, might raise doubt amongst one of the jurors- even if it doesn’t with you...
 

And that’s just the cause of death...next you have to determine intent- which is even harder...

 

As much as we detest what Chauvin did, each person is due a fair trial, and every aspect of the situation must be examined to the fullest...

Now, that is a sentence I can get on board with.

[Motorin']

9 minutes ago, JaCrispy said:

Did witnesses specifically testify that the cause of death was suffocation due to the kneeling? What about the testifying of narcotics that appear to have been consumed/ in the blood stream before the kneeling? Do we know that the drugs played NO part? Perhaps...but that, right there, might raise doubt amongst one of the jurors- even if it doesn’t with you...
 

And that’s just the cause of death...next you have to determine intent- which is even harder...

 

As much as we detest what Chauvin did, each person is due a fair trial, and every aspect of the situation must be examined to the fullest...

 

 

Yes, the medical examiner ruled death due to lack of oxygen and homicide. 

 

Many fellow officers and law enforcement experts testified that Chauvin killed him.

 

He continued to kneel on his neck area for almost three minutes after his fellow officer was unable to find a pulse.

 

Fellow police officers testified that Chauvin was required by law to proceed CPR when Floyd became unconscious. 

 

An off duty Minneapolis EMT offered to provide CPR. Chauvin refused the offer, and continued to kneel on his pulseless neck. 

 

When the paramedics arrived, Chauvin slowly got off of Floyd's neck and dragged his lifeless corpse across the street by his handcuffed arms and throw his lifeless body on the stretcher. 

 

 

[Tiberius]

8 minutes ago, Melania Trump said:

Why are those that stump for Chauvin’s defense the same that defend Matt Gaetz?

 

Because they’re still members of the cult! Thank you for the support 

Ya, why is that? 

 

The same crowd loved George Zimmerman, too