Don Otreply Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 This, under the current circumstances has always been the real outcome for the team and Morse, Morse was never getting cut. I found it amusing that a vocal few thought he was a candidate to be cut. Moving on to the next Beane move👍 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 This may buy him another year, but doesn’t guarantee that he’ll be here beyond 2022. Could still draft a few linemen this year and have them ride the pine while we develop them, but obviously this gives us flexibility though as far as the draft is concerned. DL & front seven is more of a need and this move allows us to target more dire areas on the team. No need to create a hole where there doesn’t need to be one. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Cody Ford is under contract and was a starter at RG and will be again unless they move him back to RT He started at LG I believe. I will still be shocked if Feliciano isn't re-signed. He's 2 players in 1. I think it's written in stone now... Dawkins - Ford - Morse - Feliciano - XXXX Ford - Morse - Feliciano played 0 snaps together last season. Edited March 9, 2021 by Buffalo_Stampede Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 28 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Bates? That’s a good point. That may be their plan. Are they for sure moving him from OT to C? I know he played a little C for us but missed anything about a permanent switch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 Great. Now make more cap room by cutting Butler, Jefferson, Addison and Brown. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YattaOkasan Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Cody Ford is under contract and was a starter at RG and will be again unless they move him back to RT Yup he was the new LG I was referring to. I think they need to resign williams and put Ford at LG. Either way you slice it though our cupboards on the line are very bare. We have 6 (including Ford) under contract. Ike gets you 7 but thats still not a team Im ok rolling with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 38 minutes ago, QCity said: Completely disagree. When you have 5 concussions you are basically playing on borrowed time to begin with. They had an out and should have taken it. Josh needs to be paired with a young center for the next 10 years (Landon Dickerson?) and while it's fun to picture Morse starting for 16 games it just isn't likely to happen. There are a lot more players with five and more concussions under contract in the league than most realize, and they will all be playing this upcoming season. Hell if you count youth, high school, college and pro time in football, the numbers of players with multiple concussions is very likely much higher than the league or those players want anyone to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 1 minute ago, YattaOkasan said: Yup he was the new LG I was referring to. I think they need to resign williams and put Ford at LG. Either way you slice it though our cupboards on the line are very bare. We have 6 (including Ford) under contract. Ike gets you 7 but thats still not a team Im ok rolling with. They need a swing OT unless that’s going to be Bates. I thing Ford ends up at RG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YattaOkasan Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 Just now, YoloinOhio said: They need a swing OT unless that’s going to be Bates. I thing Ford ends up at RG. Agree they need a swing tackle. I am ok with Ford at Guard (side doesnt matter too much to me). But that still leaves the other guard spot, RT, swing tackle, and interior back up as open spots. I can get on board with Bates and Ike as the interior back up but thats still a lot we need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 1 minute ago, ScottLaw said: Again, not sure how at all this improves the offensive line. Feliciano is going elsewhere, IMO. Think your looking at a new starting RG and maybe a new starting RT. They will get Ford into the lineup due to the resources they used to draft him. I think they like the continuity. Only change comes at RT depending on cost of Williams. We're not going to see many changes to the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YattaOkasan Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 3 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Again, not sure how at all this improves the offensive line. Feliciano is going elsewhere, IMO. Think your looking at a new starting RG and maybe a new starting RT. They will get Ford into the lineup due to the resources they used to draft him. I’m not so sure Ike isn’t already the better option than Ford. Dawkins- Ford/Ike-Morse-Draft pick/FA- Williams hopefully. Agree Mongo is probably gone. Would really like them to keep Williams. I think Ford can pass Ike pretty quickly if he gets a full offseason to play the position (he moved from RT during training camp last year). I say this knowing Ford's play at guard last year was very not good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YattaOkasan Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 1 minute ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: I think they like the continuity. Only change comes at RT depending on cost of Williams. We're not going to see many changes to the team. Disagree as mentioned above. I think theyll have at least two new players on the line (not counting swing tackle). Continuity is not much of an option this year with the number of free agents they have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loveorhatembillsfan4life Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 (edited) I’m thinking we now resign Mongo. Not only does he start at Guard he can come in and replace Morse God forbid he has another concussion. He would be our best option for a replacement centre. Cody occupies the other guard spot and we don’t resign Williams. Draft a tackle. I think with Josh ability to escape and evade especially coming from his not blind side we can live with that. Then Beane throws some money on the d side of the ball or tight end. We Have to give something up on the oline this year to address other needs. I also think Mongo will cost less than Williams Edited March 9, 2021 by loveorhatembillsfan4life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 Guys unless Feliciano is asking for too much money he's not going anywhere. He's the leader in the locker room on offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 I'd offer Feliciano no more than he got last year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 1 minute ago, ScottLaw said: Sure, but considering they struggled to get any push in the run game and have said they want to improve their, I’d think they are looking for an upgrade at one of the Guard spots. They didn't struggle with Ford - Morse - Feliciano, since they didn't play a snap together. I think now that Morse is back they're going to try this again. Only question I have now is Williams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 I was hoping for a more team friendly deal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Costa Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 Anybody see Morse’s new cap number? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, YattaOkasan said: Disagree as mentioned above. I think theyll have at least two new players on the line (not counting swing tackle). Continuity is not much of an option this year with the number of free agents they have. Feliciano is going to be back, Williams likely not. Although it all depends on demand in free agency for Williams. Edited March 9, 2021 by Buffalo_Stampede 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dont Stop Billeiving Posted March 9, 2021 Author Share Posted March 9, 2021 A bit surprised at the mixed reaction to this move. We need to see the specific contract details to really determine the impact of the restructure (and in this case pay cut), but I think this is a win-win move. Morse is a great center especially in pass protection who has held up well despite pretty awful guard play at times. The concussion issues are a genuine concern, but as some other posters have said, we will likely be able to get out of his deal without much dead cap next year and draft or sign his replacement when we have more resources if we want. I'm happy to have a player of his caliber back and at a reduced price that helps the team. If we can upgrade at one or both guard spots next to him, I think you could see a Pro Bowl-worthy season out of him. Keeping Josh protected and healthy needs to be our top priority and I think keeping Morse is a big factor in that. Putting Feliciano at center or a rookie starting from Day 1 would have been a downgrade IMO. 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Doc Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 7 minutes ago, HOUSE said: I was hoping for a more team friendly deal Looks like he'll be making $5M in salary this year. That's a pretty good deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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YattaOkasan Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 4 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Feliciano is going to be back, Williams likely not. Not if these spot trac numbers are correct. I dont think feliciano played that great. If he wants to get paid (he hasnt been yet) he will not be back imo. Since tackle is more important I think they should resign Williams. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/daryl-williams-16828/market-value/ https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/jon-feliciano-16854/market-value/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 Best of both worlds...lower cap hit and we don't create a hole to fill. Morse might not be a great run blocker but he is very solid in pass pro. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 Just now, YattaOkasan said: Not if these spot trac numbers are correct. I dont think feliciano played that great. If he wants to get paid (he hasnt been yet) he will not be back imo. Since tackle is more important I think they should resign Williams. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/daryl-williams-16828/market-value/ https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/jon-feliciano-16854/market-value/ We'll see. I think anything over $8 million per for either player and the Bills will see what else is out there before circling back to Feliciano and Williams. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 8 minutes ago, Dont Stop Billeiving said: A bit surprised at the mixed reaction to this move. We need to see the specific contract details to really determine the impact of the restructure (and in this case pay cut), but I think this is a win-win move. Morse is a great center especially in pass protection who has held up well despite pretty awful guard play at times. The concussion issues are a genuine concern, but as some other posters have said, we will likely be able to get out of his deal without much dead cap next year and draft or sign his replacement when we have more resources if we want. I'm happy to have a player of his caliber back and at a reduced price that helps the team. If we can upgrade at one or both guard spots next to him, I think you could see a Pro Bowl-worthy season out of him. Keeping Josh protected and healthy needs to be our top priority and I think keeping Morse is a big factor in that. Putting Feliciano at center or a rookie starting from Day 1 would have been a downgrade IMO. The specific seems to be that they removed $2 million in base and made it a "Not likely to be earned" bonus related to either playing 15 games OR 81% of the snaps next year. If he does either of those, he earns the $2 million back and it counts towards the 2022 cap. If not, then the Bills get a $2 million cap savings this year and next years contract isn't affected at all. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YattaOkasan Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 2 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: We'll see. I think anything over $8 million per for either player and the Bills will see what else is out there before circling back to Feliciano and Williams. I'll go a little higher with Williams to maybe 11 mil per year and a little lower to like 7 mil per year for Feliciano. However, I agree they will let both walk if they get priced out. Williams also hasnt really been paid either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 Prolly a dumb question, but does anyone know how incentives in a K are treated for cap purposes? The tweet said he could earn some of the reduced salary back in incentives, so is that just a calculation done on the back end of the season that the Bills would have to account for rolling into 2022? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YattaOkasan Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 2 minutes ago, Big Turk said: The specific seems to be that they removed $2 million in base and made it a "Not likely to be earned" bonus related to either playing 15 games OR 81% of the snaps next year. If he does either of those, he earns the $2 million back and it counts towards the 2022 cap. If not, then the Bills get a $2 million cap savings this year and next years contract isn't affected at all. Sorry your language confused me a bit. To be clear, there will be $2 mil cap savings this year no matter what. Whether we lose cap from 2022 will be dependent on his play this coming year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 Just now, ScottLaw said: They struggled all year.... Feliciano is an ok starting Guard who had his fair share of awful games. I think they put a value on him and have an offer out there and have the take it or leave it mentality with him, IMO. I’d love him back as a depth piece at the right price. Hopeful they find an upgrade though. Feliciano is average, yes, but he can flip to any position inside which makes him very important. To find an upgrade to Feliciano you will have to either get lucky in free agency, draft an instant upgrade, or spend a lot in free agency. I'm not sure what you're expecting here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dont Stop Billeiving Posted March 9, 2021 Author Share Posted March 9, 2021 2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Thanks Yolo! Still buzzing that I was finally able to break some news despite my lack of a Twitter account, usually you and a few others are all over it which is awesome for the rest of us. Finally the time difference has worked in my favor while you all were just waking up! Suck it EST-ers!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YattaOkasan Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 Just now, NoHuddleKelly12 said: Prolly a dumb question, but does anyone know how incentives in a K are treated for cap purposes? The tweet said he could earn some of the reduced salary back in incentives, so is that just a calculation done on the back end of the season that the Bills would have to account for rolling into 2022? See the Greg Tompsett tweets or his video on FA. But in short there are "likely" to be earned incentives and "non-likely". The designation is made by your performance the previous year. If you would have earned the incentive the previous year then its a "likely" and comes of the coming years cap (if unearned then it you get it back in the next year). If you wouldn't (no matter the circumstances), then its "non-likely" and comes off from the next year if earned. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 3 minutes ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said: Prolly a dumb question, but does anyone know how incentives in a K are treated for cap purposes? The tweet said he could earn some of the reduced salary back in incentives, so is that just a calculation done on the back end of the season that the Bills would have to account for rolling into 2022? A while back the Eagles became famous by adding in Not Likely to be earned incentives to inflate contracts but not really effect the cap. Those incentives would count the following year. Likely to be earned I believe count this year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 5 minutes ago, YattaOkasan said: Sorry your language confused me a bit. To be clear, there will be $2 mil cap savings this year no matter what. Whether we lose cap from 2022 will be dependent on his play this coming year. Sorry for the confusion. Yes that is correct. Basically to get his $2 million back he would likely need to play 15 games OR 81% of the snaps on offense. If he does that, he gets it back and it counts towards next year's cap. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 3 minutes ago, Dont Stop Billeiving said: Thanks Yolo! Still buzzing that I was finally able to break some news despite my lack of a Twitter account, usually you and a few others are all over it which is awesome for the rest of us. Finally the time difference has worked in my favor while you all were just waking up! Suck it EST-ers!! I was working out, not sleeping! Lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 1 minute ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: A while back the Eagles became famous by adding in Not Likely to be earned incentives to inflate contracts but not really effect the cap. Those incentives would count the following year. Likely to be earned I believe count this year. Yes that is correct. On all accounts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 1 hour ago, Back2Buff said: How many games missed since he has been a Bill? Mitch has missed two games, by comparison Feliciano has missed seven. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 Just now, YoloinOhio said: I was working out, not sleeping! Lol Gotta keep those fingers in shape for quick on the draw typing to beat other posters! 😅 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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