What We Must Believe to Believe Biden Won

[Unforgiven]

https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/2020/11/what-we-must-believe-believe-biden-won-david-catron/

 

The Democrats dismiss any mention of the innumerable irregularities that tainted the general election as little more than crackpot conspiracy theories. This is a convenient way to avoid addressing serious questions raised by serious observers, but it will further undermine confidence in key institutions that form the foundation upon which the republic stands. Public trust in government, media, and even science was already declining before Election Day. This trend will dramatically accelerate if Americans don’t get answers to questions such as the following: Why would the voters deliver the Democrats a comprehensive down-ballot drubbing yet hand the White House to the worst presidential candidate in living memory?

The only bellwether county out of the 19 that Biden won is located in Washington state, which long ago went to all mail-in ballots and one-party rule. We are expected to believe that this is a coincidence.

The last time a Democrat “won” the presidency while his party sustained a double-digit loss in the House was in 1960, during an election tainted by probable vote fraud in Illinois and Texas. Still, we’re expected to believe that Joe Biden achieved the same feat in 2020 with no skulduggery? Moreover, as Juan Williams admits in the Hill, “President Trump set a record last week by attracting the highest percentage of the non-white vote of any Republican presidential candidate in the last 60 years.” Yet we are expected to believe that, despite the worst showing among minorities of any Democratic nominee since JFK, Biden surpassed Barack Obama’s record-breaking turnout by 10 million votes?

Biden’s “victory” seems even more implausible after an audit of his performance in remarkably predictive bellwethers. The Wall Street Journal reports that Biden had a nearly perfect record of losses in counties whose election results have presaged presidential winners for decades: “From 1980 through 2016, 19 of the nation’s more than 3,000 counties voted for the eventual president in every election. Only one … backed President-elect Joe Biden last week.” So, a candidate who campaigned from his basement lost 95 percent of these counties yet won the election? What of the fabled bellwether Ohio? Last month, the New York Times advised that if Trump didn’t win there it was over:

Four years ago, Mr. Trump built a particularly balanced coalition among Ohio’s white voters, winning across education levels. But his support in the state has waned over the past four years, particularly in the suburbs … Columbus’s growth, and the expansion of suburbs and exurbs into what used to be rural and blue-collar areas, might have once spelled an opportunity for Republicans. But under Mr. Trump the Republican Party has lost its footing among specifically these kinds of voters — and the growth in Franklin County plays into Mr. Biden’s hands.

Well, not so much. President Trump trounced Biden in Ohio, winning the state by 8.2 percent. Suddenly, AP demoted the state to a bit player in presidential politics:

As Ohio goes, so goes the nation. That’s the way it had been in presidential elections for more than half a century, until this year, when Republican Donald Trump won a decisive victory in the state while losing the presidency to Democrat Joe Biden. Biden becomes the first president elected without carrying Ohio since fellow Democrat John F. Kennedy in 1960. Trump’s statewide victory — his second, after carrying Ohio in 2016 — brings an end to Ohio’s role as a presidential bellwether and even puts its future as a battleground state in doubt.

What we are expected to believe here is that the bellwether counties discussed by the Wall Street Journal and the Buckeye State have been left behind by the rest of the nation in the long march toward the mandatory lockdowns and mask mandates that Biden wants to impose on the electorate. In reality, Trump won Ohio and the vast majority of these counties because absentee ballots were managed transparently according to long-standing and coherent guidelines in place long before the election. The only bellwether county out of the 19 that Biden won is located in Washington state, which long ago went to all mail-in ballots and one-party rule. We are expected to believe that this is a coincidence.

This brings us to ground zero for election fraud — Pennsylvania. The Commonwealth illegally changed its election rules before and during the voting process. Essentially, the Commonwealth Court and the Secretary of the Commonwealth ignored the General Assembly and the U.S. Constitution to rig the election on behalf of Joe Biden. The American Spectator’s Paul Kengor and Jeffrey Lord have covered this chicanery here, here, here, and here. We are expected to believe that such stories are conspiracy theories, despite videos showing Democrat election officials evicting Republican election observers from vote-counting locations and erecting physical barriers to prevent them from watching.

Finally, we come to the Smartmatic/Dominion software that was used to tabulate votes in the swing states of Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin. As this Fox interview with Trump attorney Rudy Giuliani reveals, this software was developed in Venezuela and banned from the U.S. a decade ago. It’s now been brought back into the country under the aegis of a subcontractor. Its major design feature is that it allows the vote counters to calculate how many votes they need to win. Jeffrey Lord has more here. The Democrats want you to believe this is a conspiracy theory. It isn’t. The Democrats knew they couldn’t beat Trump honestly, so they’re stealing the election.

In the end, to accept Joe Biden as our legitimate Chief Executive, we must believe the voters hammered the Democrats in congressional, state, and local elections, yet decided to elect the “leader” of their party president. We must believe that he dramatically underperformed among minority voters, yet received 10 million more votes than Barack Obama. We must believe that virtually all of the reliable election bellwethers were wrong. We must believe that all of the elections in the swing states were conducted honestly and that the Venezuelan software used to tabulate the votes was secure. All of this beggars belief. Joe Biden may be inaugurated in January, but he certainly wasn’t elected president.

[Q-baby!]

😂😂😂

[TBBills]

You mean the courts dismiss them.... Not Democrats, actual courts with republican Judges still dismissing the cases, b/c there is no case.

 

Crazy that you believe all of that... not one shred of evidence in the whole thing but you believe it b/c it supports Trump...

Edited November 19, 2020 by TBBills

[BullBuchanan]

Alt-right: Orange man lost must be conspiracy.

Americans: ***** Trump.

Alt-right: FRAUD!

Edited November 20, 2020 by BullBuchanan

[shoshin]

Please link to the evidence of multi-tens of thousands of fraudulent votes that need to be proven in court to overturn this election. 

 

I'll settle for 20,000. 

 

I'll be right here waiting.

[HappyDays]

Okay. So don't vote in future elections. If you believe the Democrats are just rigging them, why bother showing up?

[Roundybout]

If Trump's own appointments are throwing out these cases what hope does the GOP have?

[daz28]

The part that gets me going is that Trump and the Trumpettes who pretend to be so concerned about election fraud only seem to be concerned about it in places where they think they have inroads to securing the election.  It's like saying I built and stocked this bomb shelter, because I'm worried about the general good of all people.  

[Plano]

Delete your account, this is absolute drivel.

 

 

[Q-baby!]

Trump is a loser? 

[WideNine]

3 hours ago, TBBills said:

You mean the courts dismiss them.... Not Democrats, actual courts with republican Judges still dismissing the cases, b/c there is no case.

How can the courts dismiss them if they are innumerable irregularities?
 

I guess the quality of the evidence trumps the quantity of alleged evidence. 

 

 

 

3 hours ago, TBBills said:

 

Crazy that you believe all of that... not one shred of evidence in the whole thing but you believe it b/c it supports Trump...

 

[SoTier]

How come there was only fraud against Trump but not against all the other Republicans who ran for the Senate, the House, the governorships, and the state legislatures?   Down ballot Republicans ran better than Trump.  Perdue in Georgia, for example, got more votes than Trump did, just missing getting 50% of the total vote and avoiding a runoff in January.   Nearly 80 million people voted against Trump, including millions who voted for other Republicans.   Deal with, OP.

 

 

[Coach Tuesday]

Honestly Americans are dumber than trees.

[oldmanfan]

Here's what you have to believe to believe that Biden won:

 

He got 306 Electoral College votes in a legal election.

 

(Mic drop)

Edited November 20, 2020 by oldmanfan

[Q-baby!]

29 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

Honestly Americans are dumber than trees.

That was confirmed in 2016. 

[Kemp]

The source for this article has also said

• Is Robert S. Khuzami, the deputy U.S. attorney for the Southern District of New York, an “Obama holdover”? – FALSE
• Social media rumors claimed President Obama dropped leaflets warning ISIS militants of imminent airstrikes against them. – FALSE
• In June 2020, Merriam-Webster said it planned to change its entry on “racism” in its dictionary to show only white people are racist. – FALSE

[Iron Maiden]

You could have said..Trump lost and I'm upset....would have saved lots of time.....

Edited November 20, 2020 by Iron Maiden

[wnyguy]

Excellent article and makes it very hard for leftwing nutjobs to explain away the anomalies of this election. Unless, of course, Biden has somehow become the second coming off JFK after 47 years as a public servant. lol

[shoshin]

1 hour ago, wnyguy said:

Excellent article and makes it very hard for leftwing nutjobs to explain away the anomalies of this election. Unless, of course, Biden has somehow become the second coming off JFK after 47 years as a public servant. lol

 

No one thinks Biden won because of his charm. 

 

The election was a referendum on Trump. The end. 

 

I worked at the polls. I've never seen so many people walk in and fill in one bubble on their ballot and leave. We had a lot of people--I mean a ton--who only voted for (I assume) president. 

[wnyguy]

1 minute ago, shoshin said:

 

No one thinks Biden won because of his charm. 

 

The election was a referendum on Trump. The end. 

 

I worked at the polls. I've never seen so many people walk in and fill in one bubble on their ballot and leave. We had a lot of people--I mean a ton--who only voted for (I assume) president. 

 

Pull the other one.

[todd]

 

18 hours ago, Unforgiven said:

https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/2020/11/what-we-must-believe-believe-biden-won-david-catron/

 

The Democrats dismiss any mention of the innumerable irregularities that tainted the general election as little more than crackpot conspiracy theories. This is a convenient way to avoid addressing serious questions raised by serious observers, but it will further undermine confidence in key institutions that form the foundation upon which the republic stands. Public trust in government, media, and even science was already declining before Election Day. This trend will dramatically accelerate if Americans don’t get answers to questions such as the following: Why would the voters deliver the Democrats a comprehensive down-ballot drubbing yet hand the White House to the worst presidential candidate in living memory?

The only bellwether county out of the 19 that Biden won is located in Washington state, which long ago went to all mail-in ballots and one-party rule. We are expected to believe that this is a coincidence.

The last time a Democrat “won” the presidency while his party sustained a double-digit loss in the House was in 1960, during an election tainted by probable vote fraud in Illinois and Texas. Still, we’re expected to believe that Joe Biden achieved the same feat in 2020 with no skulduggery? Moreover, as Juan Williams admits in the Hill, “President Trump set a record last week by attracting the highest percentage of the non-white vote of any Republican presidential candidate in the last 60 years.” Yet we are expected to believe that, despite the worst showing among minorities of any Democratic nominee since JFK, Biden surpassed Barack Obama’s record-breaking turnout by 10 million votes?

Biden’s “victory” seems even more implausible after an audit of his performance in remarkably predictive bellwethers. The Wall Street Journal reports that Biden had a nearly perfect record of losses in counties whose election results have presaged presidential winners for decades: “From 1980 through 2016, 19 of the nation’s more than 3,000 counties voted for the eventual president in every election. Only one … backed President-elect Joe Biden last week.” So, a candidate who campaigned from his basement lost 95 percent of these counties yet won the election? What of the fabled bellwether Ohio? Last month, the New York Times advised that if Trump didn’t win there it was over:

Four years ago, Mr. Trump built a particularly balanced coalition among Ohio’s white voters, winning across education levels. But his support in the state has waned over the past four years, particularly in the suburbs … Columbus’s growth, and the expansion of suburbs and exurbs into what used to be rural and blue-collar areas, might have once spelled an opportunity for Republicans. But under Mr. Trump the Republican Party has lost its footing among specifically these kinds of voters — and the growth in Franklin County plays into Mr. Biden’s hands.

Well, not so much. President Trump trounced Biden in Ohio, winning the state by 8.2 percent. Suddenly, AP demoted the state to a bit player in presidential politics:

As Ohio goes, so goes the nation. That’s the way it had been in presidential elections for more than half a century, until this year, when Republican Donald Trump won a decisive victory in the state while losing the presidency to Democrat Joe Biden. Biden becomes the first president elected without carrying Ohio since fellow Democrat John F. Kennedy in 1960. Trump’s statewide victory — his second, after carrying Ohio in 2016 — brings an end to Ohio’s role as a presidential bellwether and even puts its future as a battleground state in doubt.

What we are expected to believe here is that the bellwether counties discussed by the Wall Street Journal and the Buckeye State have been left behind by the rest of the nation in the long march toward the mandatory lockdowns and mask mandates that Biden wants to impose on the electorate. In reality, Trump won Ohio and the vast majority of these counties because absentee ballots were managed transparently according to long-standing and coherent guidelines in place long before the election. The only bellwether county out of the 19 that Biden won is located in Washington state, which long ago went to all mail-in ballots and one-party rule. We are expected to believe that this is a coincidence.

This brings us to ground zero for election fraud — Pennsylvania. The Commonwealth illegally changed its election rules before and during the voting process. Essentially, the Commonwealth Court and the Secretary of the Commonwealth ignored the General Assembly and the U.S. Constitution to rig the election on behalf of Joe Biden. The American Spectator’s Paul Kengor and Jeffrey Lord have covered this chicanery here, here, here, and here. We are expected to believe that such stories are conspiracy theories, despite videos showing Democrat election officials evicting Republican election observers from vote-counting locations and erecting physical barriers to prevent them from watching.

Finally, we come to the Smartmatic/Dominion software that was used to tabulate votes in the swing states of Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin. As this Fox interview with Trump attorney Rudy Giuliani reveals, this software was developed in Venezuela and banned from the U.S. a decade ago. It’s now been brought back into the country under the aegis of a subcontractor. Its major design feature is that it allows the vote counters to calculate how many votes they need to win. Jeffrey Lord has more here. The Democrats want you to believe this is a conspiracy theory. It isn’t. The Democrats knew they couldn’t beat Trump honestly, so they’re stealing the election.

In the end, to accept Joe Biden as our legitimate Chief Executive, we must believe the voters hammered the Democrats in congressional, state, and local elections, yet decided to elect the “leader” of their party president. We must believe that he dramatically underperformed among minority voters, yet received 10 million more votes than Barack Obama. We must believe that virtually all of the reliable election bellwethers were wrong. We must believe that all of the elections in the swing states were conducted honestly and that the Venezuelan software used to tabulate the votes was secure. All of this beggars belief. Joe Biden may be inaugurated in January, but he certainly wasn’t elected president.

 

 I never come her and this is why. What a load of *****.

Edited November 20, 2020 by todd

[wnyguy]

2 minutes ago, todd said:

 

 

 I never come her and this is why. What a load of *****.

Well..........bye

[BullBuchanan]

18 hours ago, Unforgiven said:

https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/2020/11/what-we-must-believe-believe-biden-won-david-catron/

 

The Democrats dismiss any mention of the innumerable irregularities that tainted the general election as little more than crackpot conspiracy theories. This is a convenient way to avoid addressing serious questions raised by serious observers, but it will further undermine confidence in key institutions that form the foundation upon which the republic stands. Public trust in government, media, and even science was already declining before Election Day. This trend will dramatically accelerate if Americans don’t get answers to questions such as the following: Why would the voters deliver the Democrats a comprehensive down-ballot drubbing yet hand the White House to the worst presidential candidate in living memory?

The only bellwether county out of the 19 that Biden won is located in Washington state, which long ago went to all mail-in ballots and one-party rule. We are expected to believe that this is a coincidence.

The last time a Democrat “won” the presidency while his party sustained a double-digit loss in the House was in 1960, during an election tainted by probable vote fraud in Illinois and Texas. Still, we’re expected to believe that Joe Biden achieved the same feat in 2020 with no skulduggery? Moreover, as Juan Williams admits in the Hill, “President Trump set a record last week by attracting the highest percentage of the non-white vote of any Republican presidential candidate in the last 60 years.” Yet we are expected to believe that, despite the worst showing among minorities of any Democratic nominee since JFK, Biden surpassed Barack Obama’s record-breaking turnout by 10 million votes?

Biden’s “victory” seems even more implausible after an audit of his performance in remarkably predictive bellwethers. The Wall Street Journal reports that Biden had a nearly perfect record of losses in counties whose election results have presaged presidential winners for decades: “From 1980 through 2016, 19 of the nation’s more than 3,000 counties voted for the eventual president in every election. Only one … backed President-elect Joe Biden last week.” So, a candidate who campaigned from his basement lost 95 percent of these counties yet won the election? What of the fabled bellwether Ohio? Last month, the New York Times advised that if Trump didn’t win there it was over:

Four years ago, Mr. Trump built a particularly balanced coalition among Ohio’s white voters, winning across education levels. But his support in the state has waned over the past four years, particularly in the suburbs … Columbus’s growth, and the expansion of suburbs and exurbs into what used to be rural and blue-collar areas, might have once spelled an opportunity for Republicans. But under Mr. Trump the Republican Party has lost its footing among specifically these kinds of voters — and the growth in Franklin County plays into Mr. Biden’s hands.

Well, not so much. President Trump trounced Biden in Ohio, winning the state by 8.2 percent. Suddenly, AP demoted the state to a bit player in presidential politics:

As Ohio goes, so goes the nation. That’s the way it had been in presidential elections for more than half a century, until this year, when Republican Donald Trump won a decisive victory in the state while losing the presidency to Democrat Joe Biden. Biden becomes the first president elected without carrying Ohio since fellow Democrat John F. Kennedy in 1960. Trump’s statewide victory — his second, after carrying Ohio in 2016 — brings an end to Ohio’s role as a presidential bellwether and even puts its future as a battleground state in doubt.

What we are expected to believe here is that the bellwether counties discussed by the Wall Street Journal and the Buckeye State have been left behind by the rest of the nation in the long march toward the mandatory lockdowns and mask mandates that Biden wants to impose on the electorate. In reality, Trump won Ohio and the vast majority of these counties because absentee ballots were managed transparently according to long-standing and coherent guidelines in place long before the election. The only bellwether county out of the 19 that Biden won is located in Washington state, which long ago went to all mail-in ballots and one-party rule. We are expected to believe that this is a coincidence.

This brings us to ground zero for election fraud — Pennsylvania. The Commonwealth illegally changed its election rules before and during the voting process. Essentially, the Commonwealth Court and the Secretary of the Commonwealth ignored the General Assembly and the U.S. Constitution to rig the election on behalf of Joe Biden. The American Spectator’s Paul Kengor and Jeffrey Lord have covered this chicanery here, here, here, and here. We are expected to believe that such stories are conspiracy theories, despite videos showing Democrat election officials evicting Republican election observers from vote-counting locations and erecting physical barriers to prevent them from watching.

Finally, we come to the Smartmatic/Dominion software that was used to tabulate votes in the swing states of Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin. As this Fox interview with Trump attorney Rudy Giuliani reveals, this software was developed in Venezuela and banned from the U.S. a decade ago. It’s now been brought back into the country under the aegis of a subcontractor. Its major design feature is that it allows the vote counters to calculate how many votes they need to win. Jeffrey Lord has more here. The Democrats want you to believe this is a conspiracy theory. It isn’t. The Democrats knew they couldn’t beat Trump honestly, so they’re stealing the election.

In the end, to accept Joe Biden as our legitimate Chief Executive, we must believe the voters hammered the Democrats in congressional, state, and local elections, yet decided to elect the “leader” of their party president. We must believe that he dramatically underperformed among minority voters, yet received 10 million more votes than Barack Obama. We must believe that virtually all of the reliable election bellwethers were wrong. We must believe that all of the elections in the swing states were conducted honestly and that the Venezuelan software used to tabulate the votes was secure. All of this beggars belief. Joe Biden may be inaugurated in January, but he certainly wasn’t elected president.

The only thing you need to believe is that 306 > 232.

Edited November 20, 2020 by BullBuchanan

[I-town Bills]

Complete garbage from someone who would be laughed out of court. This is the fantasy world of Gullible Travelers. 

[TBBills]

5 hours ago, I-town Bills said:

Complete garbage from someone who would be laughed out of court. This is the fantasy world of Gullible Travelers. 

That is basically what has been happening with his legal team.

[Tiberius]

Trump is finally coming out of the bunker waving white flag 

[Q-baby!]

26 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Trump is finally coming out of the bunker waving white flag 

But the nutbars say “it’s not over yet!”

 

I look forward to the next 4 years of fake news claiming it was rigged and every conspiracy theory you can imagine! 
 

That other site is pure entertainment!!!😂😂😂

[Tiberius]

14 minutes ago, Q-baby! said:

But the nutbars say “it’s not over yet!”

 

I look forward to the next 4 years of fake news claiming it was rigged and every conspiracy theory you can imagine! 
 

That other site is pure entertainment!!!😂😂😂

I’ve only checked it out briefly. Bunch of bellyaching, cry baby, self loathing crap. 

[Orlando Tim]

Voter fraud happens in every election and from all sides. The issues this year were unprecedented but I would be shocked if there is enough evidence to show widespread fraud in one state much less 3 states. I just hope that we can learn from this election and make fraud more difficult in the future. I don't think sending ballots to people who did not request them is reasonable, I also think the idea of same day registration is absurd. Beyond that there are some ideas that need to be considered but I doubt will happen.

[Tiberius]

1 minute ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

Voter fraud happens in every election and from all sides. The issues this year were unprecedented but I would be shocked if there is enough evidence to show widespread fraud in one state much less 3 states. I just hope that we can learn from this election and make fraud more difficult in the future. I don't think sending ballots to people who did not request them is reasonable, I also think the idea of same day registration is absurd. Beyond that there are some ideas that need to be considered but I doubt will happen.

No proof at all of wide spread fraud 

[SoTier]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

Voter fraud happens in every election and from all sides. The issues this year were unprecedented but I would be shocked if there is enough evidence to show widespread fraud in one state much less 3 states. I just hope that we can learn from this election and make fraud more difficult in the future. I don't think sending ballots to people who did not request them is reasonable, I also think the idea of same day registration is absurd. Beyond that there are some ideas that need to be considered but I doubt will happen.

 

What has been "unprecedented" about this election was the attempt by Trump and his sycophants to subvert mail-in voting as well as their attempts to discredit the election results.   The fact is that mail-in voting has been used successfully since the Civil War, 156 years ago.   There was absolutely no evidence of any kind of organized fraud in any state or any kind of electronic tampering with ballot results.  That was confirmed by Trump's own cyber security chief who was promptly fired for his honesty. 

[Orlando Tim]

7 hours ago, SoTier said:

 

What has been "unprecedented" about this election was the attempt by Trump and his sycophants to subvert mail-in voting as well as their attempts to discredit the election results.   The fact is that mail-in voting has been used successfully since the Civil War, 156 years ago.   There was absolutely no evidence of any kind of organized fraud in any state or any kind of electronic tampering with ballot results.  That was confirmed by Trump's own cyber security chief who was promptly fired for his honesty. 

What is your fascination with Trump? Disputing an election is not unprecedented no matter how historically illiterate you are. The elections of 1796, 1824, 1876, 1888, 1960, and 2000 all had disputed results and candidates who fought the results. In 1824 they had the "corrupt bargain" and in 1877 with a deal that happened without anyone putting it into writing. If your point is only about the validity of mail in votes you are also pathetically ignorant again since they have always been questioned and just look at NYC in June when they had a full 20+% of ballots that were spoiled. I now remember why I blocked you, my 10 year old is more intelligent and less emotional.

8 hours ago, Tiberius said:

No proof at all of wide spread fraud 

When did I say otherwise? Or is this you trying to act intelligent after being made to look stupid in the other thread?

[TBBills]

8 hours ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

Voter fraud happens in every election and from all sides. The issues this year were unprecedented but I would be shocked if there is enough evidence to show widespread fraud in one state much less 3 states. I just hope that we can learn from this election and make fraud more difficult in the future. I don't think sending ballots to people who did not request them is reasonable, I also think the idea of same day registration is absurd. Beyond that there are some ideas that need to be considered but I doubt will happen.

The issues this year were no different than any other election year actually. 

 

The only issues people really had was claim of fraud and promise of evidence and zero evidence provided but the baseless claims keep coming. Than Trump says that no one is allowed to say Biden won and tweet that he himself won. This guy is the definition of corrupt.

[Orlando Tim]

1 minute ago, TBBills said:

The issues this year were no different than any other election year actually. 

 

The only issues people really had was claim of fraud and promise of evidence and zero evidence provided but the baseless claims keep coming. Than Trump says that no one is allowed to say Biden won and tweet that he himself won. This guy is the definition of corrupt.

No different? Covid caused  states to send ballots to all of its registered citizens and you say nothing new here? I can't imagine being so politically ignorant and then run my mouth. 

[TBBills]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

No different? Covid caused  states to send ballots to all of its registered citizens and you say nothing new here? I can't imagine being so politically ignorant and then run my mouth. 

Well you are doing a good job at it.

 

The real problem was republican parties trying to tell republican voters to send in mail in ballots the day after the election to try and mess up the system even if they voted already. 

Edited November 24, 2020 by TBBills

[Orlando Tim]

1 hour ago, TBBills said:

Well you are doing a good job at it.

 

The real problem was republican parties trying to tell republican voters to send in mail in ballots the day after the election to try and mess up the system even if they voted already. 

So your argument was nothing outside the ordinary and now something outside the ordinary was happening? Good job of proving my point

[TBBills]

1 minute ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

So your argument was nothing outside the ordinary and now something outside the ordinary was happening? Good job of proving my point

Proving your point that Trump is corrupt? That didn't need to be proven.

[Orlando Tim]

38 minutes ago, TBBills said:

Proving your point that Trump is corrupt? That didn't need to be proven.

I truly hope you are a 19 year old poli sci major because you literally responded to something I said with a lie, then admitted you lied and now are completely off topic. If any mention of politics causes this kind of reaction from you and you are a grown person I worry about your mental health.

[TBBills]

1 hour ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

I truly hope you are a 19 year old poli sci major because you literally responded to something I said with a lie, then admitted you lied and now are completely off topic. If any mention of politics causes this kind of reaction from you and you are a grown person I worry about your mental health.

Don't worry things will be better once Trump is gone... 

[SoTier]

13 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

What is your fascination with Trump? Disputing an election is not unprecedented no matter how historically illiterate you are. The elections of 1796, 1824, 1876, 1888, 1960, and 2000 all had disputed results and candidates who fought the results. In 1824 they had the "corrupt bargain" and in 1877 with a deal that happened without anyone putting it into writing. If your point is only about the validity of mail in votes you are also pathetically ignorant again since they have always been questioned and just look at NYC in June when they had a full 20+% of ballots that were spoiled. I now remember why I blocked you, my 10 year old is more intelligent and less emotional.

When did I say otherwise? Or is this you trying to act intelligent after being made to look stupid in the other thread?

 

The 2020 election was nothing like previous disputed elections.

1796 - This election was not disputed. 

1800 - This election was deadlocked because the emergence of political parties resulted in the Democratic candidates candidates for Presidents (Jefferson) and  VP (Burr) wound up with the same number of electoral votes which sent the election to the House of Representatives.   This election had nothing to do with fraud.   It did result in the ratification of the Twelfth Amendment before the 1804 election.

1824 - None of the 4 candidates for POTUS -- John Quincy Adams, Andrew Jackson, Henry Clay, and William Crawford -- got a majority of the popular vote or the Electoral College votes so the election went to the House of Representatives.  This election had nothing to do with fraud.

1877 - This election did involve election fraud and voter suppression in which the election results in four states totaling 20 Electoral College were disputed, leaving the Democratic candidate, Tilden, one electoral vote short of a majority, and resulting in a quid pro quo deal that gave the 20 disputed electoral college votes to Rutherford in exchange for pulling federal troops out of Southern states and ending Reconstruction.

2000 - This election came down to fewer than 600 votes in a single state, with the dispute revolving around counting poorly marked ballots (the infamous "hanging chads").

 

NONE of these elections had a candidate who lost both the popular vote and the electoral vote by significant margins and then tried repeatedly to overturn the election results by 1) claiming massive election fraud without any shred of evidence or 2) attempting to pressure state officials to overturn the state election results.

 

5 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

No different? Covid caused  states to send ballots to all of its registered citizens and you say nothing new here? I can't imagine being so politically ignorant and then run my mouth. 

 

Mail-in ballots have been in use in the US since 1864 without issue.  Three states -- Colorado, Oregon, and Washington -- have been using for all mail-in voting for years without issues.   Despite your claims, only 9 states mailed out ballots to all registered votes: California, Colorado, District of Columbia, Hawaii, Nevada, New Jersey, Utah, Vermont, and Washington.  The Trump campaign didn't cry "foul" in any of these states, although the Nevada GOP made jackasses of themselves by claiming that they found out-of-state residents voting by mail in Nevada who turned out to be spouses of US military personnel.   

 

If you want to see somebody historically and politically ignorant who runs his mouth, I suggest you look in a mirror.