Karnsie Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 7 hours ago, Lurker said: For the life of me, I can't see how people take the POV that protesters are criticizing "all cops." Ummm... do you watch the news? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sig1Hunter Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 5 minutes ago, Mike in Horseheads said: Ya could just watch Australian Rules Football and not bother us Because his/her perspective is that offensive to you? Nice! A+ rating, sir! Would buy again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharky7337 Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 2 hours ago, DFT said: Wow... A lot of awesome in this thread. A few things... If you watch sports, understand that the player is a person and they have freedom to express. One of the wealthiest most profitable businesses in our world supports their employees doing it. We should all be so fortunate. There’s tremendous good here. I totally support the players for the cause they’re uniting to discuss. It’s noble and necessary in today’s world, but as a former footballer myself, I really love the thought of directing a young, wealthy man in the direction of nobility, and not leaving them to what they usually find. To me, this is one of the best (and least discussed) victories in the NFLs history. Like I said, there’s tremendous good here. In the same breathe, not all MAGAs are as described - brainwashed, just as all BLM supporters aren’t fire starting anarchists. For from it on both fronts We’d all do well to remember that the players aren’t the only ones who are people. Your fellow fans are as well. None of them deserve to be labeled as the world sees fit. We’re all going into this season, election and the rest of the year fighting the same pre-conceived notions that got us here. We think we know, but we need to just do better to hear others voices without instantly gravitating to their beliefs or affiliations. Love people and appreciate their perspective even if you don’t agree with it. One of the new partnerships in the NFL comes via Lowe’s (the hardware retailer). I had the chance to speak with their new CEO, Marvin Ellison during a teleconference in August. You talk about perspective. Just a few minutes with Mr Ellison and I was amazed at his stance on our country’s current state and his focuses on making changes in that paradigm. Suffice to say, his views were not what I expected. It was refreshing as much as it was surprising. He’s the kind of person that you hope one day decides to run for office. Yet if I would have come to the conversation with my pre-conceived notion, I would have missed my chance to learn from him what he was willing to share. I share this because I’m as guilty as any person of gravitating towards my own understanding instead of learning, listening and being a better version of myself. Speaking personally, I lose 100% of the time when I think I know a person based on my perceptions or EQ, and don’t invest in learning more. I hope everyone who is passionate about football, enjoys the game, the players sharing what’s truly important to them and what should be an incredible season. We’ve been through hell and back as fans. Wouldn’t it be fitting that the Buffalo Bills won it all in 2020, literally the worst year in history? May your drinks be cold; your wings be hot and your voices be loud! unless you use ranch. Then we can’t be friends and I wish you war, death and famine. The ceo who makes 10000x the necessary income while his employees suffer and get sh*t wages and poor quality of life is the guy to tell us how evil we all are. Thats ironic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Horseheads Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 1 minute ago, Sig1Hunter said: Because his/her perspective is that offensive to you? Nice! A+ rating, sir! Would buy again! So your apparently offended on something not involving you. Nice! A+ rating Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffAlone Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 23 minutes ago, TroutDog said: No. Brighton, NY, suburb of Rochester...whiteopia. You don’t recognize the structural issue of what you just said? who comitted the crime? If after all the facts come to light, I will recognize. until then? nope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DFT Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 3 minutes ago, Sharky7337 said: The ceo who makes 10000x the necessary income while his employees suffer and get sh*t wages and poor quality of life is the guy to tell us how evil we all are. Thats ironic. You drew some sort of conclusion that I admittedly didn’t follow. But if you have an issue with him for some reason, you should know he began his career making minimum wage and worked himself up. Also Lowe’s was a top 20 performing 2020 company and have been recognized for their many spontaneous bonuses for their employees during the response to COVID. But again, I don’t know what exactly it is that I shared, that garnered that kind of a response. But I’d be happy to talk about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karnsie Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 3 hours ago, DFT said: May your drinks be cold; your wings be hot and your voices be loud! unless you use ranch. Then we can’t be friends and I wish you war, death and famine. 👍👍👍👍 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TroutDog Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 4 minutes ago, BuffAlone said: who comitted the crime? If after all the facts come to light, I will recognize. until then? nope There was no crime. A young black person was followed in a store because he was black. Not sure how that’s hard to follow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffAlone Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 30 minutes ago, TroutDog said: No. Brighton, NY, suburb of Rochester...whiteopia. You don’t recognize the structural issue of what you just said? what structure man? Are you serious?? there is no structure. I went from Gates, to Brockport, to Medina, to gone.Left many a family and friend behind. They just followed me btw. It's a craphole. get out of cities if you want a good life, for your kids. its ridiculous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharky7337 Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, DFT said: You drew some sort of conclusion that I admittedly didn’t follow. But if you have an issue with him for some reason, you should know he began his career making minimum wage and worked himself up. Also Lowe’s was a top 20 performing 2020 company and have been recognized for their many spontaneous bonuses for their employees during the response to COVID. But again, I don’t know what exactly it is that I shared, that garnered that kind of a response. But I’d be happy to talk about. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvin_Ellison Ya sure seems like his employment history has been full of struggles. My point is that some people are just sick of all this BS media fueled crap to win an election while million aires and people with houses in Martha's vineyard tell us we are all horrible and our country is so horrible right now all of a sudden. Just like these NFL players and pro athletes. Edited September 13, 2020 by Sharky7337 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TroutDog Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 Just now, BuffAlone said: what structure man? Are you serious?? there is no structure. I went from Gates, to Brockport, to Medina, to gone.Left many a family and friend behind. They just followed me btw. It's a craphole. get out of cities if you want a good life, for your kids. its ridiculous Ummm, ok...I literally said I live in Brighton which is whiteopia...said that, too. There is no ‘structure’? What does that even mean? I shared a thought...I’m not here to get in a pee-ing match. Best wishes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffAlone Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 7 minutes ago, TroutDog said: There was no crime. A young black person was followed in a store because he was black. Not sure how that’s hard to follow. sounds just like my chidhood. and?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Horseheads Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 1 minute ago, TroutDog said: Ummm, ok...I literally said I live in Brighton which is whiteopia...said that, too. There is no ‘structure’? What does that even mean? I shared a thought...I’m not here to get in a pee-ing match. Best wishes. u can say pissing match 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffAlone Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 3 minutes ago, TroutDog said: Ummm, ok...I literally said I live in Brighton which is whiteopia...said that, too. There is no ‘structure’? What does that even mean? I shared a thought...I’m not here to get in a pee-ing match. Best wishes. you are the one who mentioned structure brother. go Bills 1 minute ago, Mike in Horseheads said: u can say pissing match piss on this bull#### Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DFT Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 Just now, Sharky7337 said: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvin_Ellison Ya sure seems like his employment history has been full of struggles. My point is that some people are just sick of all this BS media fueled crap to win an election while million aires and people houses in Martha's vineyard tell us we are all horrible and our country is so horrible right now all of a sudden. Just like these NFL players and pro athletes. Let’s make this the first lesson on the importance to “discuss things” before we assume. You assume that his views were to talk about his life as a Black man and the issues he overcame. So let me speak on his behalf to share he never mentioned his race. He didn’t agree with much of what he saw in the media because he felt it didn’t represent his struggle. Instead he talked about his faith and how he leads by it, unapologetically. But he shared so much more beyond that, that any listener would consider themselves fortunate to hear. Not just about how to be a successful Black man in America, but how to be a successful person in America, while never wavering in showing all others respect and being true to their beliefs. So the BS media stuff you alluded to and what you may have expected to hear was said by Mr Ellison is the driving point of what I shared. We would all do much better to talk, Liston (to hear, not respond) and be willing to see beyond your own understanding or perception. I mean this generally of course, and not at all just directed to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sig1Hunter Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 24 minutes ago, Mike in Horseheads said: So your apparently offended on something not involving you. Nice! A+ rating Honestly, I’m more offended by your grammar. But, carry on with your douchebaggery! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharky7337 Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, DFT said: Let’s make this the first lesson on the importance to “discuss things” before we assume. You assume that his views were to talk about his life as a Black man and the issues he overcame. So let me speak on his behalf to share he never mentioned his race. He didn’t agree with much of what he saw in the media because he felt it didn’t represent his struggle. Instead he talked about his faith and how he leads by it, unapologetically. But he shared so much more beyond that, that any listener would consider themselves fortunate to hear. Not just about how to be a successful Black man in America, but how to be a successful person in America, while never wavering in showing all others respect and being true to their beliefs. So the BS media stuff you alluded to and what you may have expected to hear was said by Mr Ellison is the driving point of what I shared. We would all do much better to talk, Liston (to hear, not respond) and be willing to see beyond your own understanding or perception. I mean this generally of course, and not at all just directed to you. Honestly I made a statement about how some people feel about the bills virtue signaling using him as an example. We don't need guys who make more money in one year then most of us in a lifetime telling us how bad they have it.(pro athletes, CEOs, Michelle obama) Whatever your bromance with this dude is between you guys. Edited September 13, 2020 by Sharky7337 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muppy Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 6 hours ago, dickleyjones said: We are all racist. The sooner everyone can get on board with that idea and talk it out, the better. folks will proclaim not me, no not me and say rationales like "because I have racially diverse friends, I attend a predominately black church, Im white and married to an hispanic man" etc etc etc. Yes i'm describing myself and all those things happen to be true. I don't like to Think I have racist attitudes but in my innermost thoughts I have rememberances of times from my past when I had thoughts and attitudes that were racist. In my case it was due to my parents being bigoted. I had to learn to fight that thinking to better not only myself but for my childrens sake as an example for them and hence they to their own children. Where we as people falter is when we dont think we are a part of the problem but at the same time not delving into reality and that is we ALL have areas in which our thinking can evolve and be better. Listening and not immediately tuning out what may seem distasteful or not pertaining to us when in 99% if cases it indeed does and can and hopefully involve changes that start as one person and spread exponentially in out attitudes, our actions and our willingness to confront and acknowledge we aren't as sinless as we suspect. JMO 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 27 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: So because they are "late" they shouldnt do it at all? That's not my point at all. It's that not all lives matter as much, indicated by the lack of athlete/celebrity protest against the inner city brutality and death that is not ever discussed. If all Black Lives truly mattered to the protestors and players, they would be demanding that inner city violence be addressed, along with the murder of thousands of African-American babies. But they're not. Meanwhile, the NFL, like other many major corporations, has aligned themselves with BLM now to avoid public condemnation. Because the last thing any corporation wants is pressure applied which may result in revenue losses. And the organization that applies pressure noticeably does not condemn those other forms of violence they allege happens frequently in America by police. Money is behind the league's message. That and placating certain players, who at last count had demanded and won millions from the NFL to ostensibly fight racism. And no matter what the league does, it's never enough. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 (edited) Social justice is unjust...Lives matter, period....A Latino, Asian, White, or Native life unjustly taken matters just as much as a black life unjustly taken... Edited September 13, 2020 by JaCrispy 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DFT Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 5 minutes ago, Sharky7337 said: Honestly I made a statement about how some people feel about the bills virtue signaling using him as an example. We don't need guys who make more money in one year then most of us in a lifetime telling us how bad they have it.(pro athletes, CEOs, Michelle obama) Whatever your bromance with this dude is between you guys. Honestly though, you didn’t. You created a perception in your mind based off what I shared. You then assumed his salary, assumed his associates are paid terribly and have poor quality of lives and that he’s going to tell you you’re evil because others like him have. then I go the distance to tell you his ideals are actually more similar to yours which should have made you realize you pre-assumed, but instead of receiving it with grace, you continue to besmirch him and claim because I interviewed him, I have a bromance. My advice to you is if you’re tired of hearing that your actions kinda suck (virtue signaling) let it shape better actions from you then what you clearly showed tonight and you’ll hear it less. “The ceo who makes 10000x the necessary income while his employees suffer and get sh*t wages and poor quality of life is the guy to tell us how evil we all are. Thats ironic.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharky7337 Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 7 minutes ago, DFT said: Honestly though, you didn’t. You created a perception in your mind based off what I shared. You then assumed his salary, assumed his associates are paid terribly and have poor quality of lives and that he’s going to tell you you’re evil because others like him have. then I go the distance to tell you his ideals are actually more similar to yours which should have made you realize you pre-assumed, but instead of receiving it with grace, you continue to besmirch him and claim because I interviewed him, I have a bromance. My advice to you is if you’re tired of hearing that your actions kinda suck (virtue signaling) let it shape better actions from you then what you clearly showed tonight and you’ll hear it less. “The ceo who makes 10000x the necessary income while his employees suffer and get sh*t wages and poor quality of life is the guy to tell us how evil we all are. Thats ironic.” You need to go get your head checked no offense. Average starting wage at lowes is 13.00 an hour. Can you afford to live off that? My actions? What are you smoking dude. Do yourself a favor and give it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danc Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 8 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: I'll never understand why this stuff makes people angry. If you get upset over this you're part of the problem. I've never been someone that felt racism was a problem in today's America because I never experienced it. Then I see how people react to those who stand up against it and now I understand. I agree 100% and find people’s negative reactions embarrassing. ”Hey, you know something people? I’m not black but there’s a whole lots a times I wish I could say I’m not white.” Frank Zappa - Trouble Every Day 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 3 hours ago, BillsToast said: Did they teach you that in How to Win Friends and Influence Others sessions or are you that insecure about things. You really swung for the fences here...lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 9 hours ago, BullBuchanan said: Bye. I think your sarcasm detector may have malfunctioned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I think your sarcasm detector may have malfunctioned That gif is welcome in any thread I hope that's what the Bills do to the Jets tomorrow 43 minutes ago, JaCrispy said: Social justice is unjust...Lives matter, period....A Latino, Asian, White, or Native life unjustly taken matters just as much as a black life unjustly taken... Thanks Captain Obvious All cancer matters, too, just as much as breast cancer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 9 hours ago, Putin said: I’m just saying not all cops are bad and that there’s cops risking their lives every day to save/help people , That's very true. I'd even go further and say I believe that most police officers are good, and want to "protect and serve" But answer me this...when a police office does step out of bounds and use excessive force, what do you think other officers who are aware of this "bad apple" do? 9 hours ago, Beach said: sorry, im not into this anti-cop stuff. my friend, a cop, chased an armed robber. he chose not to shoot him. the robber shot him above his vest and it hit his clavicle and ricocheted into his heart and he died. he had a quick decision to make and it cost him his life. he is never coming back, his daughter is growing up without a father. bad cops should be taken off the force but the majority arent bad at all. they have a tough job and have to make decisions quickly. I hear you. But do you think bad cops are taken off the force? What is the mechanism for this? How does it happen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfanmiamioh Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 I typically lean conservative, although I hate that it automatically associates me with a whole bunch of other BS I don’t necessarily subscribe to. I think that’s the worst thing about political / social issues these days, you’re either labeled one extreme or the other. I think that was well done and it’s hard to argue much about what was said. Hoping for better times for our country as a whole and hoping that in some small stupid way, this nfl season can help bring us together a bit, as weird as that sounds. Go Bills!!!! 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 (edited) 58 minutes ago, JaCrispy said: Social justice is unjust...Lives matter, period....A Latino, Asian, White, or Native life unjustly taken matters just as much as a black life unjustly taken... First sentence is nonsense. The rest of what you said is exactly the problem: Even though all those lives SHOULD matter the same amount, the events throughout our country the past few years (or, hell, the past 400 years) show that black lives seem to matter less to many people, including many police precincts. THAT'S the problem. What you said ("Lives matter, period") is true. It is not how things seem to operate in this country, however, so here we are. Edited September 13, 2020 by Logic 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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