TBBills Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 He isn't coming here, Bills have too many players to pay coming up and will not give him a contract. Unless they do it for 1 year which is useless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 We have Frazier and McD who work well with developing young CB’s and make FA CB’s into better players. The Bean has been able to draft solid to good CB prospects in here. I see no reason to spend 90 mil on the CB position. If Tre White wants top 3 money I would franchise him for two years and trade him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Joshin' Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Billl said: Who needs trophies when you could have salary cap space instead? So this move wins the SB? Interesting. So when you weight his contribution/cost vs the current roster/future draft picks/cap space you think this is a winner. He is a very good player, not a difference maker. Mack is a better player and no rings in Chicago. If the salary cap was going up next year, I would be more on the trade side. With a potential reduction of $20 million, a holistic approach is required. Trading cap space and picks is not the answer in today's environment. Edited August 20, 2020 by Just Joshin' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 54 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: In today’s NFL, I would prefer Revis over Smith. And its not even close. A CB can take away half the field. A good DE just means you have to get rid of the ball sooner, which today’s offenses are specifically designed to so. Plus, a GREAT DE will get, what, 16 sacks a year? Thats one sack a game, and its rarely game changing. I completely disagree with this one my friend. Bruce was a monster both rushing the passer and playing against the run. How many DE's do you see end up with over 100 combined tackles these days? In his prime Bruce would give you between 80-105 tackles, 14-19 sacks, 14-20 TFL's, and 3-5 FF per season. That was none too common in his day nor is it now. His presence alone would strike fear into opposing QB's. I take Bruce over Revis ANY day of the week and twice on Sunday. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4BillsintheBurgh Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 (edited) 14 hours ago, Midwest1981 said: Will be really interesting to find out where Yannick lands. In my mind I went through all 32 teams to find a hit factoring in the contracting cap (and which teams are already screwed in 2021, like the Eagles and Saints) and who has a need. Seattle would’ve made sense until they traded most of their high picks the next two drafts to the Jets for Jamal. Tennessee makes the most sense. But that’s an intra-divisional trade. Not that Jacksonville really cares where they finish this year. The Rams can always be counted on to make an irresponsible move they can’t really afford, cap and draft pick consequences be damned. Some have guessed Baltimore but that’s a middle finger to Judon, another franchised pass-rusher looking for his payday. Why not NE** for a year? They are flush with Covid cash and lost a lot on D. Edited August 20, 2020 by 4BillsintheBurgh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 16 minutes ago, Billl said: Who needs trophies when you could have salary cap space instead? Dude...I know you didnt miss the point that badly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgotBILLStopay Posted August 20, 2020 Author Share Posted August 20, 2020 22 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: Draft picks are valuable because it allows you to infuse young, CHEAP talent. This trade would force us to trade the opportunity for cheap talent for a guy that will want a BIG pay day this or next year. Plus, our salary cap will run out eventually. Its just not a smart play. warning: comp pick post Well if he plays well enough to warrant a big payday, I dont see any harm in giving him one. Or alternatively, the Bills decide to let him walk to the money, in which case the Bills will have a 3rd round comp pick. So, IF we trade for Ngakoue with a 2nd rounder and he plays well, all we did was swap 2nd and 3rd round picks for a year of Ngakoue. I think, once the comp pick enters the calculations, one can immediately see that Ngakoue playing well can only be great news for the Bills. So if the Bills feel confident they can fit Ngakoueinto their system, they should be all over this deal if it only costs them a 2nd. The bigger concern should be whether Ngakoue will be a bust in which case it is a 2nd rounder for nothing. Based on the past 4 years, I think that possibility is not very high. Ngakoue has played well in a 4-3. He is a young Mario Addison who is excellent in pass defense, but a little suspect in run defense. Even in run defense, Ngakoue made big strides last season and I have confidence in McD / Frazier that they can bring out the best in him. I think the delay in Ngakoue getting traded may have to do with how much of his salary the Jags will pay (Houston paid half of Clowney's salary). SInce July 15 has passed, Jags' likely compensation for Ngakoue has dwindled since he will be a one year rental. They were stupid not to trade him before July 15. That being said, the comp pick alone will ensure a floor for his trade value - the Jags shd get at least a 2nd rounder outa the trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 3 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: Dude...I know you didnt miss the point that badly Josh, FWIW, you’re right. Not that Billl or anyone else is playing fantasy football here, but You made the right call we have far too many others to pay as Sal said this morning on WGR. He was astute and basically dismissed. He referenced the draft as you, the extensions for the usual suspects over the next two to three years, not to mention the additions and $ we committed for them. Even if we cut Murphy, we’re either on th hook for another $10 mil. and a 2nd rd. pick at a minimum, or a 1 yr. rental for a 2nd rd pick, and he won’t even want to do it anyway without a new contract. This is a bad idea on so many levels. Anyway, it won’t happen so not a big deal. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brennan Huff Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 This will be highly unpopular, but I’m paying this guy over Milano. Milano is probably a tad overrated on these boards. Please, be gentile.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 2 hours ago, Putin said: I think the bigger concern here is not the 2nd but a huge contract that will have to dish out for him IF we intend to keep him beyond this year , unless the FO believes that we could go all the way THIS YEAR !!! Not to mention we have our own guys due for BIG contracts I agree. Besides, we can re-visit this issue with the Jaguars in a couple of years when Josh Allen becomes a disgruntled free agent. And before all of you overreact. I'm referring to the Jaguars DE/OLB, not our Josh Allen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 Darth, just lets keep praying they keep Marrone as coach and a given. I can’t go against Caldwell as a fellow alumni from Frannies, but the longer he keep Maroon the easier it will be to poach Jags players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 49 minutes ago, IgotBILLStopay said: warning: comp pick post Well if he plays well enough to warrant a big payday, I dont see any harm in giving him one. Or alternatively, the Bills decide to let him walk to the money, in which case the Bills will have a 3rd round comp pick. So, IF we trade for Ngakoue with a 2nd rounder and he plays well, all we did was swap 2nd and 3rd round picks for a year of Ngakoue. I think, once the comp pick enters the calculations, one can immediately see that Ngakoue playing well can only be great news for the Bills. So if the Bills feel confident they can fit Ngakoueinto their system, they should be all over this deal if it only costs them a 2nd. The bigger concern should be whether Ngakoue will be a bust in which case it is a 2nd rounder for nothing. Based on the past 4 years, I think that possibility is not very high. Ngakoue has played well in a 4-3. He is a young Mario Addison who is excellent in pass defense, but a little suspect in run defense. Even in run defense, Ngakoue made big strides last season and I have confidence in McD / Frazier that they can bring out the best in him. I think the delay in Ngakoue getting traded may have to do with how much of his salary the Jags will pay (Houston paid half of Clowney's salary). SInce July 15 has passed, Jags' likely compensation for Ngakoue has dwindled since he will be a one year rental. They were stupid not to trade him before July 15. That being said, the comp pick alone will ensure a floor for his trade value - the Jags shd get at least a 2nd rounder outa the trade. I dont think we get the comp pick if we trade for him in the final year of his deal... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 On 7/9/2020 at 4:03 AM, PetermansRedemption said: I’m never a fan of giving up a premium asset for the privilege of overpaying a player. That recipe rarely works out. This. On 7/9/2020 at 5:51 AM, Logic said: There is about a 1% chance the Bills make a move for Ngakoue. Oh, and this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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whatdrought Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 18 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Sounds like there’s definitely something imminent. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That's No Moon Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 1 hour ago, Brennan Huff said: This will be highly unpopular, but I’m paying this guy over Milano. Milano is probably a tad overrated on these boards. Please, be gentile.. I agree with you. Total JAG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 14 minutes ago, That's No Moon said: I agree with you. Total JAG. Milano is not a JAG, but he is elevated by our system. If the choice is paying Milano vs trading away a 2nd and paying Yannick, i'd probably go with Yannick, while acknowledging he will certainly cost much more. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFlutie Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 1 hour ago, SCBills said: Milano is not a JAG, but he is elevated by our system. If the choice is paying Milano vs trading away a 2nd and paying Yannick, i'd probably go with Yannick, while acknowledging he will certainly cost much more. ...That's exactly what he'd be, if we traded him for Yannick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billl Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 3 hours ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: Dude...I know you didnt miss the point that badly The point is that there’s a difference in philosophy between building a team to compete in the future and putting the finishing touches on a championship contender. When you’re in your window, getting 1% better is worth overpaying for. The Chiefs gave up a ton for the right to overpay Frank Clark. Then he had 5 sacks in the postseason, helped win the Lombardi trophy, and nobody cares what he cost anymore because flags fly forever. What’s more is that the Chiefs then went out and signed everyone anyway because the salary cap is about as effective as Trump’s border wall. 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgotBILLStopay Posted August 20, 2020 Author Share Posted August 20, 2020 4 hours ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: I dont think we get the comp pick if we trade for him in the final year of his deal... The Seattle fans were all gaga about comp picks when the Clowney trade went down. See for example, https://www.nbcsports.com/northwest/seattle-seahawks/analysis-seattle-seahawks-pull-heist-trade-jadeveon-clowney Quote However, if Clowney walks in free agency, the Seahawks would get a compensatory pick in return. That pick could be as high as a third-rounder. A more recent article talking about how Seattle would lose a comp pick if Clowney was not signed before a particular deadline. https://www.fieldgulls.com/2020/4/19/21226188/dont-expect-comp-picks-seattle-seahawks-2021-fant-jefferson-ifedi-clowney-irvin-shell-finney-mayowa In fact, there was a lot of talk that teams were deliberately delaying signing Clowney to avoid the Seahawks getting a comp pick. If my understanding is wrong, please do correct me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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