LeviF Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 2 minutes ago, Jauronimo said: You could attach a rubber chicken to the garage and call it a garage pull. Some might still call it a rubber chicken. Especially when its the only time you've ever seen a rubber chicken used as a garage pull. Well in that case the FBI better come check out the pull door for my attic. The last owner must have been a white supremacist. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 Just now, LeviF91 said: Well in that case the FBI better come check out the pull door for my attic. The last owner must have been a white supremacist. I have not once in this thread suggested there was any wrongdoing or hateful intent. I can envision other reasons why someone on Bubba's team or Bubba himself might have different reactions to the noose used for everyday practical applications other than doubling down on "victim hood" as has been theorized up-thread. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviF Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 2 minutes ago, Jauronimo said: I have not once in this thread suggested there was any wrongdoing or hateful intent. I can envision other reasons why someone on Bubba's team or Bubba himself might have different reactions to the noose used for everyday practical applications other than doubling down on "victim hood" as has been theorized up-thread. I don't dispute that Bubba might have a different reaction to a noose-like knot being used in everyday application than I would. But to go on Don Lemon's show in particular and spout off about how it's not a garage pull? I understand it was a long conversation with a lot of parts but frankly I don't see a lot of options for motive there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 (edited) This entire situation went off perfectly, imo. Watson and his team found something suspicious, and reported it. NASCAR as a league, and all the crews involved, rallied around Watson to support him. An investigation was launched, and it was determined there was no harmful intent. Everyone goes on with their lives. Most likely closer and more unified than before. edit: The FBI also determined that Watson's team had NO involvement with planting the noose/pull, so all the #BubbaSmollet jokes dont apply and only serve to make matters worse. What's the problem? Edited June 24, 2020 by DrDawkinstein 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, LeviF91 said: I don't dispute that Bubba might have a different reaction to a noose-like knot being used in everyday application than I would. But to go on Don Lemon's show in particular and spout off about how it's not a garage pull? I understand it was a long conversation with a lot of parts but frankly I don't see a lot of options for motive there. He specifically responded to the question "Have you ever seen ropes like that hanging from garages...is that typical?". So let me paraphrase "No, I have never seen a f@$#ing noose used as a garage pull in my life!". He expands on the idea and counters the speculation that he and his team built a mountain of a mole hill by reacting to a common looped knot. He also acknowledges it wasn't meant for him or his team. Edited June 24, 2020 by Jauronimo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 36 minutes ago, Jauronimo said: I have not once in this thread suggested there was any wrongdoing or hateful intent. Dos this count? Quote What's so surprising? The white racial backdrop of this sport has been a part of its environment since its inception. It shouldn't be unexpected that the dead enders and resisters would express their ignorance to the positive changes happening in the sports. Some people are comfortable in moving into the modern world and others are reflexively grabbing their guns and heading to the ramparts because they believe they are under siege. I'm not shocked by the display of ignorance. Quite the contrary I'm surprised to the extent the officials and participants of the sport have embraced the change to a more inclusive sport. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 25 minutes ago, Jauronimo said: He specifically responded to the question "Have you ever seen ropes like that hanging from garages...is that typical?". So let me paraphrase "No, I have never seen a f@$#ing noose used as a garage pull in my life!". He expands on the idea and counters the speculation that he and his team built a mountain of a mole hill by reacting to a common looped knot. He also acknowledges it wasn't meant for him or his team. The report I heard last night on SportsCenter from their NASCAR reporter is that it was a noose. The other pulls were not nooses. The FBI said they would have found what they found suspicious and would have acted the same as NASCAR by investigating. Just repeating what I heard. Should have gotten the reporter's name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 2 minutes ago, The Dean said: The report I heard last night on SportsCenter from their NASCAR reporter is that it was a noose. The other pulls were not nooses. The FBI said they would have found what they found suspicious and would have acted the same as NASCAR by investigating. Just repeating what I heard. Should have gotten the reporter's name. Exactly. Nothing wrong with looking into something that is suspicious. Good on NASCAR for being supportive and protective of their drivers. There were no over-reactionary firings of NASCAR executives. NASCAR didnt hand Bubba a win, or punish other teams. They just rightfully investigated. Not sure why some folks are worked up and wanting to "blame" Watson, or have some sort of reactionary punishment or revenge. This all went exactly how it should. We should all be happy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 7 minutes ago, GG said: Dos this count? No, for reasons which should be obvious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 1 minute ago, Jauronimo said: No, for reasons which should be obvious. Obvious how? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 2 minutes ago, Jauronimo said: No, for reasons which should be obvious. Listen, both your screen names begin with "J" and that's as far as people want to read. Deal with it! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 Just now, GG said: Obvious how? Because you quoted someone else in response to this statement: Quote I have not once in this thread suggested there was any wrongdoing or hateful intent. 2 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: Listen, both your screen names begin with "J" and that's as far as people want to read. Deal with it! He better not even try to play the "I'm avatar blind!" card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 1 minute ago, Jauronimo said: Because you quoted someone else in response to this statement: I have not once in this thread suggested there was any wrongdoing or hateful intent. "It shouldn't be unexpected that the dead enders and resisters would express their ignorance to the positive changes happening in the sports." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 4 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: Exactly. Nothing wrong with looking into something that is suspicious. Good on NASCAR for being supportive and protective of their drivers. There were no over-reactionary firings of NASCAR executives. NASCAR didnt hand Bubba a win, or punish other teams. They just rightfully investigated. Not sure why some folks are worked up and wanting to "blame" Watson, or have some sort of reactionary punishment or revenge. This all went exactly how it should. We should all be happy. One thing NASCAR probably should have done a bit better was to be more careful in their public statement. There initial statements seem to suggest little doubt that something hinky was going on. A toned down reporting of an event, and an investigation, might have been more prudent. It also might have spared Wallace from the moronic trolling and all the Bubba Smolett nonsense. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 1 minute ago, GG said: "It shouldn't be unexpected that the dead enders and resisters would express their ignorance to the positive changes happening in the sports." Who are you quoting this time? It isn't me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 Just now, Jauronimo said: Who are you quoting this time? It isn't me. I quoted a post in this thread that most certainly suggested there was a wrongdoing or a hateful intent, when you said it didn't exist in this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 Just now, GG said: I quoted a post in this thread that most certainly suggested there was a wrongdoing or a hateful intent, when you said it didn't exist in this thread. Except I didn't say "it didn't exist in this thread"..... Quote I have not once in this thread suggested there was any wrongdoing or hateful intent. The operative word is "I". Just stop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 1 minute ago, Jauronimo said: Except I didn't say "it didn't exist in this thread"..... The operative word is "I". Just stop. Or you can just say, oops I missed the post that suggested there was wrongdoing or hateful intent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 Just now, GG said: Or you can just say, oops I missed the post that suggested there was wrongdoing or hateful intent Look at GG, going on Don Lemon's show and DOUBLING DOWN! You have better reading comprehension than this. I know it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 1 minute ago, DrDawkinstein said: Look at GG, going on Don Lemon's show and DOUBLING DOWN! You have better reading comprehension than this. I know it. And this is relevant to the discussion, because ....? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 Just now, GG said: And this is relevant to the discussion, because ....? You went off relevant discussion 3 posts ago in your refusal to actually read the post you are replying to. Now we're just BS'ing in a dying thread. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, GG said: Or you can just say, oops I missed the post that suggested there was wrongdoing or hateful intent Or you can admit that you still haven't read or understood my post that you f@#$ing responded to with 10 things that other people posted. Jauronimo: I have not once in this thread suggested there was wrongdoing or hateful intent. GG: *post from someone else* Jauronimo: I didn't say that GG: "What about this one? Jauronimo: I didn't say that either GG: Well someone said it! Jauronimo: Yeah, again not me. Read the first post. GG: Admit you were wrong!! If I wanted to deal this ***** I'd be in PPP getting it from 10 of you at once. Edited June 24, 2020 by Jauronimo 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 2 minutes ago, Jauronimo said: Or you can admit that you still haven't read or understood my post that you f@#$ing responded to with 10 things that other people posted. Jauronimo: I have not once in this thread suggested there was wrongdoing or hateful intent. GG: Jauronimo: I didn't say that GG: "What about this one? Jauronimo: I didn't say that either GG: Well someone said it! Jauronimo: Yeah, again not me. Read the first post. GG: Admit you were wrong!! If I wanted to deal this ***** I'd be in PPP getting it from 10 of you at once. It's easy, I misread your post. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 2 minutes ago, GG said: It's easy, I misread your post. It...is...done 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philly McButterpants Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 17 hours ago, Jaraxxus said: Those people are part of a crowd that does that very thing constantly. Casting aspersions on anyone and anything remotely considered racist. This tweet summarizes my view on today's America: A very close relative of mine has gone from acid-dropping hippie at Altamont to the staunchest Trump supporter i know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 2 minutes ago, BringBackFergy said: It...is...done And it only took 5 posts beating him over the head with what was obvious to everyone else. A new record! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 6 minutes ago, GG said: It's easy, I misread your post. Not just once. Three times you had the opportunity to actually read the post you responded to. The first post and the two additional times I quoted myself for your convenience. To say I dropped hints would be an understatement. I flat out broke it down for you twice and still you couldn't crack the case. How magnanimous of you to admit fault now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 3 minutes ago, Jauronimo said: Not just once. Three times you had the opportunity to actually read the post you responded to. The first post and the two additional times I quoted myself for your convenience. To say I dropped hints would be an understatement. I flat out broke it down for you twice and still you couldn't crack the case. How magnanimous of you to admit fault now. A totally magnanimous response, as expected. Duly noted. Love the warpaint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 2 hours ago, TakeYouToTasker said: He wants to be Colin Kaepernick. There’s money in the victimhood cottage industry. Again, I’ll keep on saying it: We‘ve reached a point where we’ve miseducated an entire generation of people to believe victimhood is social currency; while at the same time social progress has nearly eliminated racism. The result is that now racism must be manufactured to meet demand. Thanks for the laugh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irv Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 Breaking news: Rope found in Wallace garage not noose but portion of anchor rope cut from back of his car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 (edited) 12 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: Thanks for the laugh Do you believe that people on average, or society today, is more or less racist than, let’s say... it was in 1950? To follow up, why do you think there are so many faked hate crimes? Edited June 24, 2020 by TakeYouToTasker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviF Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 4 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said: Do you believe that people on average, or society today, is more or less racist than, let’s say... it was in 1950? To follow up, why do you think there are so many faked hate crimes? Somewhat related: there's a poll out there conducted by gallup and, later, the AP that has asked black folks how well they think they're treated in their communities relative to white folks sporadically over the last 60 years. The percentage of black folks who think they're treated just as well as whites in their communities was lower in 2018 than it was in 1963. For those of you that are mathematically challenged, 1963 was one year BEFORE the civil rights act was passed. Objectively speaking, this cannot be a reflection of reality as it actually is. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 5 minutes ago, LeviF91 said: Somewhat related: there's a poll out there conducted by gallup and, later, the AP that has asked black folks how well they think they're treated in their communities relative to white folks sporadically over the last 60 years. The percentage of black folks who think they're treated just as well as whites in their communities was lower in 2018 than it was in 1963. For those of you that are mathematically challenged, 1963 was one year BEFORE the civil rights act was passed. Objectively speaking, this cannot be a reflection of reality as it actually is. Maybe white folks in their communities were treated much worse back in 1963? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 (edited) 17 hours ago, Muppy said: I was really confused about how a noose could be found inside a garage and folks Not jump to it being a racist hateful action until I saw this tweet. The symbol has been used as a symbol of hate /lynching/racism for years. The implication dots seemed pretty close together and rational to me at first glance. Black driver, hate symbol associated with lynching of blacks... It clearly isn't a joke symbol. To read it was a garage pull is really the furthest idea Id have guessed. That's got to be a flukey way to pull a garage door open and shut right? Ive never seen a noose as anything other than a death device. Plenty of images of that. To think of it not being a hate symbol is much more far fetched an idea IMHO. Especially in view of racial tensions being so high right now. People giving this story time to play out Props to them but dont make it seem like we who assumed it was despicably oriented are somehow flawed or irrational. apparently so...see the tweet poojer originally posted This isn't hard. Every aspect of life has been politicized to include the sports media. And stories like this are shaded to fit a certain political persuasion that is largely based in emotion and less on objectivity and reason. So when people on ESPN and Twitter run out to be the lead virtue signaler, it's not hard to understand why. There are plenty of people who love nothing more than dividing people. And for those who got this all wrong, they've been left to rationalize why they're not wrong for judging this totally wrong. See below. 13 hours ago, The Dean said: Yes, so my question is, what made this so odd? i'm not pushing any theory or agenda. Just seems bizarre. Maybe the noose came loose and was lying on a bench or something? Just looking for some reasonable explanation as to why all this went down. 1 hour ago, DrDawkinstein said: This entire situation went off perfectly, imo. Watson and his team found something suspicious, and reported it. NASCAR as a league, and all the crews involved, rallied around Watson to support him. An investigation was launched, and it was determined there was no harmful intent. Everyone goes on with their lives. Most likely closer and more unified than before. edit: The FBI also determined that Watson's team had NO involvement with planting the noose/pull, so all the #BubbaSmollet jokes dont apply and only serve to make matters worse. What's the problem? 1 hour ago, The Dean said: The report I heard last night on SportsCenter from their NASCAR reporter is that it was a noose. The other pulls were not nooses. The FBI said they would have found what they found suspicious and would have acted the same as NASCAR by investigating. Just repeating what I heard. Should have gotten the reporter's name. This isn't hard either. Three words will suffice..."I was wrong." Deflecting, conflating, and distorting the story only become necessary when one's ego cannot say those three words I put in quotes here. Edited June 24, 2020 by BillsVet 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 This is actually a decent statement. Maybe he realized he went too far. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 2 hours ago, TakeYouToTasker said: Do you believe that people on average, or society today, is more or less racist than, let’s say... it was in 1950? To follow up, why do you think there are so many faked hate crimes? That you think your nonsense is worth discussing is even more hilarious 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 (edited) 33 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: This is actually a decent statement. Maybe he realized he went too far. Bubba wasnt at the track, his TEAM reported the noose as suspicious since it was their first time in that bay and no other bay had such a handle. NASCAR supported the team, and initiated an investigation. The FBI concluded their investigation, found no targeting, and also determined it was not planted there by Wallace's team either. The FBI also concluded that Wallace's team and NASCAR handled it perfectly, and the investigation was called for. No one staged a protest. No one made any reactionary moves. No one cried to boycott NASCAR. How did Bubba "go too far"? Instead of trying to "blame" Wallace for something, or demand he show contrition, how about we focus on the good. The unity that NASCAR, and all drivers and pit crews showed through this. Edited June 24, 2020 by DrDawkinstein 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Poojer Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 probably referring to the interview he did last night where he pretty much said he didn't care what the FBI said, it was a noose(paraphrasing) 1 minute ago, DrDawkinstein said: Bubba wasnt at the track, his TEAM reported the noose as suspicious since it was their first time in that bay and no other bay had such a handle. NASCAR supported the team, and initiated an investigation. The FBI concluded their investigation, found no targeting, and also determined it was not planted there by Watson's team either. The FBI also concluded that Watson's team and NASCAR handled it perfectly, and the investigation was called for. No one staged a protest. No one made any reactionary moves. No one cried to boycott NASCAR. How did Bubba "go too far"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted June 24, 2020 Author Share Posted June 24, 2020 1 minute ago, DrDawkinstein said: How did Bubba "go too far"? He spoke his mind. That's too far for a lot of people because he is black .. a lot of people in this thread, and a lot of people in the U.S. It's disgusting and sad. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LB3 Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 6 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: Bubba wasnt at the track, his TEAM reported the noose as suspicious since it was their first time in that bay and no other bay had such a handle. NASCAR supported the team, and initiated an investigation. The FBI concluded their investigation, found no targeting, and also determined it was not planted there by Watson's team either. The FBI also concluded that Watson's team and NASCAR handled it perfectly, and the investigation was called for. No one staged a protest. No one made any reactionary moves. No one cried to boycott NASCAR. How did Bubba "go too far"? Instead of trying to "blame" Watson for something, or demand he show contrition, how about we focus on the good. The unity that NASCAR, and all drivers and pit crews showed through this. You got the wrong sport. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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