Bill O'Brien will kneel...JJ Watt says kneeling is no disrespect to the flag or military

[Capco]

2 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said:

He asked "why".

 

You answered "rampant ignorance".

 

 

And in your mind, that means I said all people need to vote one way because otherwise they are just ignorant?

 

36 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said:

I just can't wrap my incapable and ignorant mind why you proclaimed anyone who voted in a way different from you as ignorant.  Please please help.

 

That's bad comprehension on your part.  Admit it and move on.  

[nucci]

1 minute ago, Putin said:

I guess will find out soon enough ..

Games will be played and networks will pay the fees

[BillsFan17]

18 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Why is it awful?

 

You can consume whatever you want but If you can’t see the difference between a star athlete and a guy at Jiffy Lube I don’t know what to tell you.

Because they are star athletes you prop them up, thats your world view. To me they are entertainers. 

 

You couldn't name the top five utmost renowned world scientists, doctors, educators, etc... but you can tell me the top five QBs are in the NFL.

 

I know the difference between occupations and professions, you on the other hand choose to glorify one. That in no way makes them more a value based source of information.

 

I've met all walks of life with all sorts of occupations with very high intellect and very profound world views, who didn't have massive wealth, didn't have a platform, didnt have an audience, and i didnt immediately classify them as less important than athletes.

 

So, yeah, clearly you have nothing left to say to me.

Edited June 14, 2020 by BillsFan17

[Putin]

1 minute ago, nucci said:

Games will be played and networks will pay the fees

Not if the ratings are low 

[BillsFan17]

20 minutes ago, Rocky Landing said:

Did you not read the post? I apologize if it was too long. But, don't hold your breath for me to post stats. Anyone can find them. Google "stats for systemic racism," and I'll bet plenty will come up.

No, you said it was easy. I have done my research, id love to see yours. Telling me its so simple I should do it either means you can't do it your self, or there aren't any and it easier to deflect.

[Ecmic82]

8 minutes ago, nucci said:

You're comparing your job to that of a professional athlete? Players kneeling are not shutting down the rig or putting a stop to games being played. The players bosses are still making billions of dollars even if they kneel.

LOL I know right?

 

I mean, If Josh Allen begins to protest in support of Black Lives Matter DURING LIVE GAME ACTION, I'll be the FIRST to call for his benching or removing him from the team.

 

But people really want to act like completely abdicating one's responsibility to their employer is analogous to an athlete taking a knee during the national anthem? Come on.

[BillsFan17]

23 minutes ago, TheProcess said:

The true definition of racism - not the one white people cling to in Merriam Webster - is when prejudice meets power. People of color can absolutely be prejudiced, but name one time in US history they’ve ever held a position of power over the white majority. I’ll wait...

So, you get to change definitions of words to suit your self. 

 

You dont have to wait long to see Obama was the ruler of the free world. Why was that supposed to be a mic drop? Did you blatantly pass over a black president for a reason?

[4merper4mer]

1 minute ago, Capco said:

 

And in your mind, that means I said all people need to vote one way because otherwise they are just ignorant?

 

 

That's bad comprehension on your part.  Admit it and move on.  

You listed one reason:

 

Rampant ignorance.  Perhaps you should have said "rampant ignorance is the largest reason but there might be others which are valid". Admit it and move on.

 

Of course that would require you thinking there are valid reasons to vote no.  Do you?

 

 

[Capco]

10 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said:

You listed one reason:

 

Rampant ignorance.  Perhaps you should have said "rampant ignorance is the largest reason but there might be others which are valid". Admit it and move on.

 

Of course that would require you thinking there are valid reasons to vote no.  Do you?

 

I believe that rampant ignorance is the largest reason people vote No but there are others which might be valid.  I do not condone or support groupthink.  I believe in freedom of expression within reason.  

 

I hope that clears things up.  

 

And sorry for the sass...

Edited June 14, 2020 by Capco

[Matt_In_NH]

If you have to constantly explain why it’s not disrespectful and means something else maybe you are doing it wrong and you should find another way to protest.   
 

protesters see it as protesting.  Others see it as disrespectful.   They are both right but will never get on the same page and see it eye to eye.   

Edited June 14, 2020 by mattynh

[4merper4mer]

Just now, Capco said:

 

Clearly I have to be extra careful with my words around you.  In the future I'll make it a point to be crystal clear when we communicate.  

 

I believe that rampant ignorance is the largest reason people vote No but there are others which might be valid.  I do not condone or support groupthink.  I believe in freedom of expression within reason.  

 

I hope that clears things up.  

The thumbs up I gave does not apply to your sarcastic first paragraph.

[Kirby Jackson]

36 minutes ago, BillsFan17 said:

Because they are star athletes you prop them up, thats your world view. To me they are entertainers. 

 

You couldn't name the top five utmost renowned world scientists, doctors, educators, etc... but you can tell me the top five QBs are in the NFL.

 

I know the difference between occupations and professions, you on the other hand choose to glorify one. That in no way makes them more a value based source of information.

 

I've met all walks of life with all sorts of occupations with very high intellect and very profound world views, who didn't have massive wealth, didn't have a platform, didnt have an audience, and i didnt immediately classify them as less important than athletes.

 

So, yeah, clearly you have nothing left to say to me.

Prop them up? I worked in sports and know many, many, many pro athletes. Some I like; some I don’t. I probably look up to athletes less than just about anyone here. At the same time, I understand that their platform is enormous (as you said above). The fact that you can name a zillion athletes and a couple of scientists is what makes them different. You answered your own question. 

Edited June 14, 2020 by Kirby Jackson

[Capco]

8 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said:

The thumbs up I gave does not apply to your sarcastic first paragraph.

 

I was literally just thinking that it was in bad taste.  I removed it.  

 

It has nothing to do with you.  It's difficult to communicate explicitly through text.  That's not any one person's fault.  It's just a fact of textual comms.  The clearer I am, the clearer you (as in the general you) will understand me.  

 

I think this also applies to your groupthink comment as well, though.  

Edited June 14, 2020 by Capco

[Don Otreply]

33 minutes ago, Heavy Kevi said:

 

Again I really agree with you on most points, but let me put forth myself as an example because I'm curious to see what you think about it.

 

I own a small bbq restaurant and bar in Geneva NY. I haven't "made it" by any means and like many restaurants right now we are fighting for our lives. I don't mean to sound like I am in a dire situation, I am hopeful when we open back up (this Tuesday), we will be busy and at least keep the books in the black long enough for everything to get back to some semblance of normal.

 

So, say one of my employees wants to make a radical political stands at work. They are not doing it in a way that stops them from doing their job, but thanks to the hundreds of people that come through each day, they get decent exposure of their radical beliefs (whatever they may be), and "furthers the cause". Sounds ok right? They aren't interrupting their work, after all.

 

Consider this- that political stands has a chance to (however severely) negatively effect my business. Maybe I lose some business, maybe because covid has already weakened our stance, my business doesn't survive (again no matter how likely). The employee really has nothing at stake other than a chance of losing their job, where I have the chance of losing everything. So basically allowing my employees to make political stands at work could cause me to lose everything.

 

I only pose this because the "business" many people speak of in a negative light are huge corporations, but in actuality more Americans are employed by small businesses. I'm a regular person that grew up poor, in an area of poor socioeconomic status- certainly not some elite, and I know I'm not the only business owner that, despite popular belief, doesn't have a huge bank account or nice things. Truth be told, my wait staff makes more money than me every single day. I don't resent that, I'm happy to provide viable jobs, but I don't think any business should ever be on the line because of political beliefs held by someone it gainfully employs.

It is a serious conundrum to be sure, I would be of the opinion that if an employee is doing harm to their co- workers well being or their employer who is in turn doing no harm to others in their business dealings then that hypothetical person is the problem, and should be let go, but on the other hand if said person does their protesting away from work, and even if their employer dislikes it,  that person should not be punished for exercising their rights, again if they do their job well. Having been the manager of a small business for many years I understand your point. 
 

You are correct that it is the large corporations that are the ones most likely to abuse others through their business dealings, this is where greed and power abuses show there ugly heads most frequently. That is where regulation of capitalism is most appropriate and needed.  
 

I have no problem with folk creating and having wealth, I do however have a problem with those individuals or entities that allow greed and power lust to purposefully restrict others from that opportunity.
 

Being a good neighbor as an individual or business is a necessity if one holds having a great society as a priority, which I do. I truly understand that perfect is not gonna happen, but doing ones best to not be part of the problem is alway desirable. 
 

[muppy]

6 hours ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

I had an interesting conversation with a successful African-American business person I know about the current state of race relations and one topic was kneeling before the flag.   Their views were a lot different from the dominant narrative being played out almost everywhere.  And while they would hesitate to say these things publicly for fear of being attacked their insights opened my mind to viewing things from a lot of different angles.  Its goes like:

 

"From the perspective of a minority person I think blaming white racism for all the problems faced by African-American people and communities is blacks saying the white man has the power to decide our fate. And the only way things are going to get better for us is if white people become less racist and treat us better.  And white people joining in kneeling isn't so much joining us in the fight but rather them giving us their permission to try to improve our conditions.  The entire concept ignores the principles of free will & control of your own destiny and replaces that with a mindset of dependence. Other minorities that prosper in America don't have this mindset. Think about that?"

 

 

other minorities were't founded upon slavery as was the case with Blacks in the US and the systemic implications within both black and White society that have lingered. Not meaning to derail the conversation at hand and I read with interest the rest of what you wrote because I care what different voices have to say and why. Thank you for this.

[Blank Stare]

8 minutes ago, BillsFan17 said:

So, you get to change definitions of words to suit your self. 

 

You dont have to wait long to see Obama was the ruler of the free world. Why was that supposed to be a mic drop? Did you blatantly pass over a black president for a reason?

Gee, thanks for throwing a bone. That’s mighty white of ya! It’s sad you think one black president makes up for 400 years of oppression. One who continues to be undermined by his successor and droves of white people to this day. Rolling back any progress he was able to make. In fact, it’s another example of what happens whenever black folks taste a little success in this country. And you said I had no idea if I was talking to someone white, Black, Hispanic, or Asian. ??

 

Oh, and by the way, it’s not just me who feels the Merriam Webster definition needs a little updating. I know it’s not Fox News like you’re used to but here you go if you care to read it:

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/06/09/us/dictionary-racism-definition-update-trnd/index.html

 

(now that’s a mic drop ?)

[Rockinon]

1 hour ago, HappyDays said:

 

Yet public support for that cause has gone way up since the protests started.

 

https://thehill.com/homenews/news/502267-support-for-black-lives-matter-doubles-since-2016-poll

 

BLM has a big following because people assume the name is exactly what it stands for. It doesn't. It is not a movement. It is a corporation that collects money for the democrat party. Go ahead and make a donation. You are directed to ActBlue. This is another corporation, a superpac, that takes in huge money for the democrat party. Everyone listed on their board of directors is white. No one knows who heads BLM themselves. That is kept secret. But if you want to donate to that cause go for it. The only thing you'll be doing is sending money to the democrat political party.  None of which has anything to do with actual black lives.

[Don Otreply]

1 minute ago, Rockinon said:

BLM has a big following because people assume the name is exactly what it stands for. It doesn't. It is not a movement. It is a corporation that collects money for the democrat party. Go ahead and make a donation. You are directed to ActBlue. This is another corporation, a superpac, that takes in huge money for the democrat party. Everyone listed on their board of directors is white. No one knows who heads BLM themselves. That is kept secret. But if you want to donate to that cause go for it. The only thing you'll be doing is sending money to the democrat political party.  None of which has anything to do with actual black lives.

So are you saying that makes it okay to continue the blatant injustice and racism?  Or is it all just fake news in your eyes, What truly is your point? Asking for a friend...

[BillsFan17]

13 minutes ago, TheProcess said:

Gee, thanks for throwing a bone. That’s mighty white of ya! It’s sad you think one black president makes up for 400 years of oppression. One who continues to be undermined by his successor and droves of white people to this day. Rolling back any progress he was able to make. In fact, it’s another example of what happens whenever black folks taste a little success in this country. And you said I had no idea if I was talking to someone white, Black, Hispanic, or Asian. ??

 

Oh, and by the way, it’s not just me who feels the Merriam Webster definition needs a little updating. I know it’s not Fox News like you’re used to but here you go if you care to read it:

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/06/09/us/dictionary-racism-definition-update-trnd/index.html

 

(now that’s a mic drop ?)

You keep assuming I'm white, does that give you control over the conversation?

27 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Prop them up? I worked in sports and know many, many, many pro athletes. Some I like; some I don’t. I probably look up to athletes less than just about anyone here. At the same time, I understand that their platform is enormous (as you said above). The fact that you can name a zillion athletes and a couple of scientists is what makes them different. You answered your own question. 

who said I came name a zillion athletes and only a few scientists? How is that answering my own question?

 

So far today, I've watched a bunch of people argue with them selves.

 

Some seem to want to grandstand, virtue signal, or straight up just seem to enjoy confrontation.

Edited June 14, 2020 by BillsFan17

[muppy]

4 hours ago, mannc said:

Anyone who says they’re going to kneel now, after doing and saying nothing for three years to support Kaepernick, should be hooted off the stage.

I respectfully disagree.  If mainstream Americans didn't fully receive or acknowledge Colin Kaepernick IMO doesn't mean they were against his message perse. Maybe his way of delivering the message was what a lot of people misunderstood and didn't get.  He was a controversial messenger at the time and his motives questioned. Not so much anymore. I don't think its ever too late to be educated and as such admit you were wrong to not have "gotten it" sooner. 

[Rockinon]

Just now, Don Otreply said:

So are you saying that makes it okay to continue the blatant injustice and racism?  Or is it all just fake news in your eyes, What truly is your point? Asking for a friend...

....asking for a friend. The point is that not everything is what it seems. The fake news comment is cute BTW. Apparently you didn't even read my previous post in this thread. If you had, you would know where I stand and why.

[Bferra13]

5 hours ago, DCOrange said:

 

They aren't really doing it on the company's time in the way that you're imagining one of us doing it though. They're doing it before their work actually begins. It just so happens that professional athletes are in the public eye before they actually start working in a way that we are not. 

 

It cost the league viewers and ratings last time they did it. League dictates the rules, not the other way around. Semantics aside, for all intents and purposes they are "on the clock" when they are costing the league revenue turning people by tuning out over this stuff.

 

If the NFL is fine with it, so be it. But it's going to he very interesting when the ratings start dropping.

Edited June 14, 2020 by Bferra13

[BillsFan17]

1 minute ago, Bferra13 said:

 

It cost the league viewers and ratings last time they did it. League dictates the rules, not the other way around. Semantics aside, for all intents and purposes they are "on the clock" when they are costing the league revenue turning people by tuning out over this stuff.

 

If the NFL is fine with it, so be it. But it's going to he very interesting when the ratings start dropping.

They are 100% on the clock, however, the league gave into the pressure and now has reformed their view.

 

The fact that this is such a debated issue makes no sense.

 

Either you agree with the kneeling or you don't, but there are within their full rights to do it. The same way we are within our full rights to support their case or not.

[Blank Stare]

8 minutes ago, BillsFan17 said:

You keep assuming I'm white, does that give you control over the conversation?

No, I’m pretty sure I know. But, if I’m wrong and you’re not white (and that’s possible), then you’ve got bigger problems than arguing with me on a message board. 

[muppy]

4 hours ago, JR in Pittsburgh said:

I would expect just about every player on every team to kneel This year. 

 

What will be interesting is whether the message will be lost/diluted because “everyone is now doing it.”  

Interesting take.  Might some submit to pressure to conform and show  team unity with the majority where otherwise they might not... maybe.... Its not the kneeling that concerns me. Its the awareness and discussion that such an action will or won't bring that does. What football players and coaches do will be meaningful  and cause of discussion either way...GOOD I say.  Discussion leads to communication and awareness which leads to action. again GOOD!

[All_Pro_Bills]

1 hour ago, StHustle said:

 

I am also a successful black business owner in America. But I am not going to act as if systemic racism isnt alive and well because I overcame. I am a Hutch Tech and RIT grad but from one of the most infamous neighborhoods on Buffalo's east side. I made some bad decisions and became a felon sentenced to 2 years in prison for possession of marijuana back in 2010. Yet I overcame. Why? Because I had 2 great parents (one a retired Army major and the other a retired NYS Corrections officer) who taught me valuable lessons I chose not to use until my back was against the wall, an ex felon with few options at making a living. The point I am making is the PARENTS aspect. I am extremely blessed to have had 2 great parents. This is very rare in the ghettos of America. Its easy to look at people in theses ghettos and blame them for their positions but if you understood the history behind it and the American system designed by pure racists to keep the black man down, you'd recognize a game with the deck totally stacked against us. Please take a sec to watch this short video and maybe you can gain some insight:

 

 

I did watch the video and am familiar with some of these practices like red-lining and school funding.  In reading your story I found some common themes with my life as I also had some issues to work through when I was younger and perhaps got a break from the cops that you didn't get.  I also had a strong pair of parents and through listening to stories of others and sharing mine through cultural workshops and events I've come to find that it's a common theme for most people that manage to navigate effectively through life whatever their race, ethnicity, religion, and so on might be.  Something to think about, in pursuit finding common ground to discuss and define solutions in an environment of civility, honesty, and respect to move  forward.  I heard it said once there's three sides to every story, yours, mine, and the truth.  So while I agree systemic racism exists to some degree I also believe some of the problems faced by African-American communities are self-inflicted.  I'd be interested in hearing some feedback. 

 

They are:

Crime and violent acts committed by members of the community against other member of the community.

A dysfunctional educational system to leaves students without the basic skills needed to start life as young adults.

A social services system that fosters dependence and discourages the formation and maintenance of family units.

A self-serving political system that provides power, money, and prestige to members of the political class but produces no real benefits to their constituents in the community. 

 

[Ecmic82]

13 minutes ago, Bferra13 said:

 

It cost the league viewers and ratings last time they did it. League dictates the rules, not the other way around. Semantics aside, for all intents and purposes they are "on the clock" when they are costing the league revenue turning people by tuning out over this stuff.

 

If the NFL is fine with it, so be it. But it's going to he very interesting when the ratings start dropping.

I think at this point the NFL is shifting toward a more long term financial strategy.

 

I'm confident in saying the NFL will allow players to kneel this season. I'm also confident that the NFL's position won't  be rooted in some moral obligation to allow peaceful protest.

 

They'll allow peaceful protest because they think it's the more financially advantageous position to take.

 

And I don't think they're wrong. The NFL has a pretty good track record of knowing where the money is.

Edited June 14, 2020 by Ecmic82

[muppy]

4 hours ago, K-9 said:

I appreciate this and agree, but I’m still trying to get to the “why.” Human nature is one important variable to be sure but what’s at the root of that evolution? There are tribal elements involved but it goes farther than that, I think. Anyway, I appreciate the incite you offered. 

haha incite..insight.....2 words with very different meanings..freudian slip? ? it made me chuckle.....

[BillsFan17]

5 minutes ago, TheProcess said:

No, I’m pretty sure I know. But, if I’m wrong and you’re not white (and that’s possible), then you’ve got bigger problems than arguing with me on a message board. 

You're pretty sure? Moreover, the fact my race, religion, creed, means more than my views says more about you than me. 

 

Also, this is far from arguing, this is someone trying to project, and failing. I don't need some complete stranger guessing my ethnicity, acting upon that assumption, than trying to insult me.

 

You are part of the problem.

[Kirby Jackson]

53 minutes ago, BillsFan17 said:

Because they are star athletes you prop them up, thats your world view. To me they are entertainers. 

 

You couldn't name the top five utmost renowned world scientists, doctors, educators, etc... but you can tell me the top five QBs are in the NFL.

 

I know the difference between occupations and professions, you on the other hand choose to glorify one. That in no way makes them more a value based source of information.

 

I've met all walks of life with all sorts of occupations with very high intellect and very profound world views, who didn't have massive wealth, didn't have a platform, didnt have an audience, and i didnt immediately classify them as less important than athletes.

 

So, yeah, clearly you have nothing left to say to me.

 

15 minutes ago, BillsFan17 said:

You keep assuming I'm white, does that give you control over the conversation?

who said I came name a zillion athletes and only a few scientists? How is that answering my own question?

 

So far today, I've watched a bunch of people argue with them selves.

 

Some seem to want to grandstand, virtue signal, or straight up just seem to enjoy confrontation.

You are jumping to conclusions all over the map. I’m not assuming that you are any race. Not really sure why you keep bringing that up? I really don’t care. You are trying to act like athletes and Jiffy Lube employees are the same. That’s naive/ignorant/wrong. They have vastly different platforms and worth. They have vastly different platforms and influence. If you don’t understand that I can’t help you. 

[muppy]

3 hours ago, H2o said:

Do we have to have a new thread about every single person who says they are going to kneel, then rehash the exact same arguments over and over and over again? It's growing quite tiresome. Why not just have one "kneeling" subforum where the people who love to get into pissing matches can have at it so we can stick to the actual game on here? 

or maybe not click open a thread to complain and attempt to squelch anyone elses thoughts..free speech free to choose what you click and what not to...SMH

[nucci]

56 minutes ago, Putin said:

Not if the ratings are low 

contracts are already in place..

57 minutes ago, Ecmic82 said:

LOL I know right?

 

I mean, If Josh Allen begins to protest in support of Black Lives Matter DURING LIVE GAME ACTION, I'll be the FIRST to call for his benching or removing him from the team.

 

But people really want to act like completely abdicating one's responsibility to their employer is analogous to an athlete taking a knee during the national anthem? Come on.

I've seen him take a knee right before halftime though

[ColoradoBills]

Today is June 14th (Flag Day).  I'm flying mine in front of my house.

This is one of the days that citizens should be "honoring the flag" and what it stands for and IMO football/sporting events don't quite

measure up.  

 

A short story that happened this past Friday.  I had some friends over for drinks and this "stuff" on the news got brought up.

One of my friends was all over the America "Love it or Leave it" stuff.  When he was done I asked him when will he properly disposed of the

faded, tattered and ripped flag he has been flying non stop in front of his house for years a few doors away.  He said yes he needs to do that.

 

My answer to his "patriotic rant" was, "I will not even listen to your opinion until you 'personally' take care of your own house (literally) first, the

ex-Boy Scout compels me to say this".  Other friends laughed at this and the subject was changed.

The flag is still flying today.

 

This story has a moral in it somewhere.............I'll leave it to the readers to interpret it.

 

 

[Ecmic82]

1 minute ago, nucci said:

contracts are already in place..

I've seen him take a knee right before halftime though

OK, a QB absolutely needs to yell out "Black Lives Matter" during a kneel-down at some point this year ?

[BillsFan17]

2 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

 

You are jumping to conclusions all over the map. I’m not assuming that you are any race. Not really sure why you keep bringing that up? I really don’t care. You are trying to act like athletes and Jiffy Lube employees are the same. That’s naive/ignorant/wrong. They have vastly different platforms and worth. They have vastly different platforms and influence. If you don’t understand that I can’t help you. 

 No, they don't hold different worth. You keep assigning different worth to them. There is nothing hard to understand you keep acting like a 12 year old with posters on your wall of our favorite athletes.

 

I pointed out you couldn't name top people of actual prominence and accolades in the real world. You keep harping on athletes being superior to the common man in terms of their message. Which is patently false and very naive.

 

Again, keep living in your childhood room, the rest of us would live to be adults.

[BillsFan17]

8 minutes ago, Margarita said:

or maybe not click open a thread to complain and attempt to squelch anyone elses thoughts..free speech free to choose what you click and what not to...SMH

Yeah, and those same people have the freedom to comment on anything thread these choose. Trying to silence people's opinions you disagree with, SMH

[Kirby Jackson]

11 minutes ago, BillsFan17 said:

 No, they don't hold different worth. You keep assigning different worth to them. There is nothing hard to understand you keep acting like a 12 year old with posters on your wall of our favorite athletes.

 

I pointed out you couldn't name top people of actual prominence and accolades in the real world. You keep harping on athletes being superior to the common man in terms of their message. Which is patently false and very naive.

 

Again, keep living in your childhood room, the rest of us would live to be adults.

Oh man this conversation is getting weird. If you don’t agree that athletes have a larger platform than 99.99% of the population you aren’t smart. That’s not up for debate. It’s a fact. That’s all that I ever said. The reason that their voices matter is because they have an audience.

Edited June 14, 2020 by Kirby Jackson

[Blank Stare]

15 minutes ago, BillsFan17 said:

You're pretty sure? Moreover, the fact my race, religion, creed, means more than my views says more about you than me. 

 

Also, this is far from arguing, this is someone trying to project, and failing. I don't need some complete stranger guessing my ethnicity, acting upon that assumption, than trying to insult me.

 

You are part of the problem.

I’m part of the problem? ? Ok, guy. There’s that white fragility kicking in. Like I said, history has eyes for people like you. Enjoy that life!

[BillsFan17]

1 minute ago, TheProcess said:

I’m part of the problem? ? Ok, guy. There’s that white fragility kicking in. Like I said, history has eyes for people like you. Enjoy that life!

Again, you keep assuming im white? Why? Why are you that insecure you need to project me being white?

5 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Oh man this conversation is getting weird. If you don’t agree that athletes have a larger platform than 99.99% of the population you aren’t smart. That’s not up for debate. It’s a fact. That’s all that I ever said. The reason that their voices matter is because they have an audience.

Yup, im not smart, you have nothing to back your argument up with, so I'm no smart. Well played... this place is becoming an echo chamber of stupidity and its evident.

[HappyDays]

38 minutes ago, Rockinon said:

BLM has a big following because people assume the name is exactly what it stands for. It doesn't. It is not a movement. It is a corporation that collects money for the democrat party. Go ahead and make a donation. You are directed to ActBlue. This is another corporation, a superpac, that takes in huge money for the democrat party. Everyone listed on their board of directors is white. No one knows who heads BLM themselves. That is kept secret. But if you want to donate to that cause go for it. The only thing you'll be doing is sending money to the democrat political party.  None of which has anything to do with actual black lives.

 

BLM isn't a single organization, it's an idea/movement. It doesn't surprise me that certain political groups have co-opted the name for their own purposes. There are also a bunch of racial justice groups that accept donations. As far as I know Act Blue is not a corporation, it's a middleman for donations to left-leaning candidates and organizations.

 

Also none of this has anything to do with what I said. The public is changing its mind because people are talking about it. People are talking about it in part because of Kaepernick's protest. So to you and all the people who say "there are better ways to get your message across ," show me what else has been able to get results like that. Kaepernick started his protests in 2016. Since 2016 public support for BLM has doubled. I don't think that's a random coincidence.

 

Public acceptance of the protests has also grown from 28% in 2016 to 35% in 2018 to 52% today:

 

https://sports.yahoo.com/poll-on-opinion-shift-of-colin-kaepernick-could-explain-nf-ls-aboutface-on-players-protesting-during-anthem-220717209.html

 

Whatever you think of the messaging it is helping to change people's minds.