Defund the Police?

[GregPersons]

16 minutes ago, Doc said:

Calling to defund the police is just an easy way to deflect from the real problems.  It's always easier to demand others change.

 

What are the real problems? Who should be changing?

[B-Man]

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

...now there's taking command....spritz everybody with Aqua Velva......they'll all smell nice......

 

Seattle bans tear gas for 30 days amid George Floyd protests

By Morgan Phillips | Fox News

 

Seattle’s mayor and police chief announced they’ve agreed to ban the use of tear gas to disperse protesters for 30 days amid ongoing demonstrations after the death of George Floyd.

“After hearing concerns about the use of CS gas for crowd control purposes earlier this week ... we decided we were going to suspend its use for 30 days,” Police Chief Carmen Best said.

The leaders suspended the gas until watchdog groups and oversight officials can fully review and recommend changes to policies and training for use of the chemical agent. Local health officials expressed concerns over use of tear gas and other respiratory irritants in light of the coronavirus pandemic.

The ban only applies to tear gas-- not flash-bang grenades, pepper spray and other crowd-control techniques-- but Seattle’s female African American police chief said that “everything will be reviewed.”

 

https://www.foxnews.com/us/seattle-bans-tear-gas-30-days-george-floyd-protests

 

 

[Just Joshin']

3 hours ago, GregPersons said:

 

Social programs are needed. Not modern slavery. People need help. This country has abundant resources. Just swapping the budgets for Education and Police would go a long way.

First thanks for the reply.  So you want to swap budgets.  How do you handle the impact of less police and more crime?  What does not get addressed?  So do you thuink there are too many police and the crime rate would not go down with less police?

 

 

[B-Man]

 

 

Tweet of the week:

 

 

 

 

 

[GregPersons]

7 minutes ago, Just Joshin' said:

First thanks for the reply.  So you want to swap budgets.  How do you handle the impact of less police and more crime?  What does not get addressed?  So do you thuink there are too many police and the crime rate would not go down with less police?

 

Howdy, thanks for having a nice and polite tone with your questions. Well let me begin by trying to understand your question better. What crimes do you think right now the police are doing a good job of containing and handling, that would be noticeably worse without them? 

Edited June 6, 2020 by GregPersons

[Reality Check]

31 minutes ago, GregPersons said:

 

Howdy, thanks for having a nice and polite tone with your questions. Well let me begin by trying to understand your question better. What crimes do you think right now the police are doing a good job of containing and handling, that would be noticeably worse without them? 

What is your solution to black on black crime?

[Needle]

1 hour ago, GregPersons said:

 

What are the real problems? Who should be changing?

My neighbors are city school teachers in the city of Rochester. They have 100+ students on average every year. Through the course of a school year they will have contact with a couple of parents. Open house? A couple show up, sometimes zero     Emails? Never a response    Phone calls? Same as open houses, a couple maybe

 

Year in and year out the results are the same.  My neighbors are a mixed race couple and have literally cried about this when telling us. 

 

Bad cops should pay a price but the 9 unarmed deaths of blacks last year mean zilch in impact.

 

 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

9 minutes ago, Reality Check said:

What is your solution to black on black crime?

 

 

...well if we follow the (ILL) logic of some here, it is all the white man's fault......we have cast them into a life of despair with no way out, right?.....how come thousands upon thousands of black sports figures have  risen to the top financially?......did they fight , practice and hone their skills to get to the top?.....how about the eloquent Thomas Sewell?....Condy Rice?...Powell?.....BET's Johnson?....there are many, many MANY societal African-Americans that have made it...wasn't black unemployment at a historic low of 3.5% pre Covid-19?.....isn't there a significant segment of whites with no drive or initiative to better themselves?.....it is a cultural mindset first before pointing the finger at the "lazy by race".....isn't that the initiative behind socialist thinking ala "gimme more for doing nothing", a/k/a wealth distribution?......Big Fredo spends $62+ BILLION annually on public assistance, second only to California...has it helped drive and initiative to elevate one's self?......your call.........

[Doc]

29 minutes ago, Needle said:

My neighbors are city school teachers in the city of Rochester. They have 100+ students on average every year. Through the course of a school year they will have contact with a couple of parents. Open house? A couple show up, sometimes zero     Emails? Never a response    Phone calls? Same as open houses, a couple maybe

 

Year in and year out the results are the same.  My neighbors are a mixed race couple and have literally cried about this when telling us. 

 

Bad cops should pay a price but the 9 unarmed deaths of blacks last year mean zilch in impact.

 

The said thing is I think many of the do think that all their problems are due to the police.  And when you have that stance, there's not much you can do to change things. 

[Beast]

1 hour ago, B-Man said:

 

That is 100 percent true.

 

Imagine a privatized security/police? Call them and give your credit card information before they respond to take care of your problems.

 

We are heading this way and I say awesome! We should also defund Welfare and social programs that drain our tax dollars.

 

I'm also for defunding any and all tax payer money going to public colleges.

Edited June 6, 2020 by Beast

[Doc]

7 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

The said thing is I think many of the do think that all their problems are due to the police.  And when you have that stance, there's not much you can do to change things. 

 

And this goes to this (at 2:58 mark of video):

 

 

Edited June 6, 2020 by Doc

[Deranged Rhino]

3 hours ago, GregPersons said:

 

Ohhh boo hoo the store windows. 

 

They burned down the Saki House -- a family owned (by Japanese immigrants) locale which they poured their heart and soul into. They now have to sell it at a huge loss because the insurance won't cover it. 

 

You're not only wrong, you're dangerously ignorant of even basic facts. 

2 hours ago, GregPersons said:

 

What are the real problems? Who should be changing?

 

Are you planning to vote for Biden by the way? 

Edited June 6, 2020 by Deranged Rhino

[GregPersons]

Just now, Deranged Rhino said:

 

They burned down the Saki House -- a family owned (by Japanese immigrants) local which they poured their heart and soul into. They now have to sell it because the insurance won't cover it. 

 

You're not only wrong, you're dangerously ignorant of even basic facts. 

 

You have a link for this Sake (e, not i) House insurance claim? 

[Deranged Rhino]

Just now, GregPersons said:

You have a link for this Sake (e, not i) House insurance claim? 

 

I know the owners, asshat. 

 

Are you planning to vote for Biden? 

Just now, Jaraxxus said:

 

"Destruction of property isn't violence."

 

His words.

 

Yes, he's a Marxist which means he's very stupid. 

[Koko78]

5 hours ago, GregPersons said:

 

OK I thought you were taking the piss. I can ***** with this. I'd rather have communities police themselves. It should be like volunteer firefighters. 

 

Unless the national union is dissolved and the US becomes more like the EU (also not necessarily opposed), then you still need national services. And so you still have the National Guard but you need non-violent mediative services. You need people for homeless people to give them what they need; for crazy ass people shooting bows & arrows in public; for domestic disputes — these require trained professionals. Essentially what I"m talking about are field doctors for mental/social issues. 

 

Great, here's your next Neighborhood Watch Captain Field Doctor:

 

[GregPersons]

Just now, Deranged Rhino said:

 

I know the owners, asshat. 

 

Are you planning to vote for Biden? 

 

Yes, he's a Marxist which means he's very stupid. 

 

Oh, so we're just taking your word for it. Well if it comes out publicly, be sure to let me know. I would be curious why insurance would not cover their claim. It seems like the exact kind of thing insurance is for.

 

Obviously I'm a Trump voter. MAGA 2020, can't you tell?

 

Can't wait to hear you tell me that store fronts and human life have the same value in your twisted mind! Also — did you confirm this earlier — you ARE the Devin Nunes guy right? 

 

You're the guy on this forum that loves Q anon stuff, right? And Devin Nunes?  Like. Devin Nunes. You are riding that jock? Still, or did you figure it out? Please say still.

[keepthefaith]

No, dumbest idea ever.  I'm beginning to wonder how the leftist ideology has any success at the ballot box.  Seems like they're on a political suicide path, only propped up by media/hollywood/big norcal tech and some crazy fringe. 

[Deranged Rhino]

Just now, GregPersons said:

 

Oh, so we're just taking your word for it. Well if it comes out publicly, be sure to let me know. I would be curious why insurance would not cover their claim. It seems like the exact kind of thing insurance is for.

 

 

Which only proves how uninformed you are. 

 

Just now, GregPersons said:

 

Obviously I'm a Trump voter. MAGA 2020, can't you tell?

 

So that's a yes? You're going to vote for Biden? 

 

You come down here spewing all sorts of dishonest and really ridiculous nonsense about "institutional racism" -- and you're going to turn around and vote for one of the primary architects of that systemic injustice and racism? 

 

How do you square those two things, Greg? Please, enlighten me... 

 

[Koko78]

4 minutes ago, Jaraxxus said:

 

"Destruction of property isn't violence."

 

His words.

 

Well, all I can say is that the last time I used a weapon to smash a window, forcibly stole what was inside, then burned the building to the ground, I did it totally peacefully.

[GregPersons]

Just now, Deranged Rhino said:

 

Which only proves how uninformed you are. 

 

 

So that's a yes? You're going to vote for Biden? 

 

You come down here spewing all sorts of dishonest and really ridiculous nonsense about "institutional racism" -- and you're going to turn around and vote for one of the primary architects of that systemic injustice and racism? 

 

How do you square those two things, Greg? Please, enlighten me... 

 

 

You're... not very smart, are you? "Detecting sarcasm" one of those skills you're still on the hunt for? 

 

Instead of talking about ***** you can barely comprehend, I want to know what's up with Q anon world and Devin Nunes' nutsack. I remember when I signed up for this board seeing those threads the first time I wandered in here.

1 minute ago, Koko78 said:

 

Well, all I can say is that the last time I used a weapon to smash a window, forcibly stole what was inside, then burned the building to the ground, I did it totally peacefully.

 

Truly, a greater tragedy cannot be known. This is the worst problem facing society. Obviously the solution is a bunch of rednecks in the streets with their gout and Walmart guns.

[Deranged Rhino]

Just now, GregPersons said:

 

You're... not very smart, are you? "Detecting sarcasm" one of those skills you're still on the hunt for? 

 

Instead of talking about ***** you can barely comprehend, I want to know what's up with Q anon world and Devin Nunes' nutsack. I remember when I signed up for this board seeing those threads the first time I wandered in here.

 

All those words just to say: 

 

"Yes, I am a giant hypocrite who's voting for Joe Biden -- a man who spent 40 years tilting the system against black and brown people -- while claiming I'm against systemic racism". 

 

You're a peach. Just a real dumb one. 

2 minutes ago, GregPersons said:

Truly, a greater tragedy cannot be known. This is the worst problem facing society. Obviously the solution is a bunch of rednecks in the streets with their gout and Walmart guns.

 

There's that charm. Spend the past 12 hours lecturing the board about how you're above racism only to fall right back into the moment you get exposed for being a truly stupid person. And you are, Greg, truly a very stupid person. 

 

 

[GregPersons]

Just now, Deranged Rhino said:

 

All those words just to say: 

 

"Yes, I am a giant hypocrite who's voting for Joe Biden -- a man who spent 40 years tilting the system against black and brown people -- while claiming I'm against systemic racism". 

 

You're a peach. Just a real dumb one. 

 

It's an honor to interact with you here. I feel like I'm meeting the Dumbass All Stars. 

 

Devin Nunes, how's he doing?

[keepthefaith]

2 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

...now there's taking command....spritz everybody with Aqua Velva......they'll all smell nice......

 

Seattle bans tear gas for 30 days amid George Floyd protests

By Morgan Phillips | Fox News

 

Seattle’s mayor and police chief announced they’ve agreed to ban the use of tear gas to disperse protesters for 30 days amid ongoing demonstrations after the death of George Floyd.

“After hearing concerns about the use of CS gas for crowd control purposes earlier this week ... we decided we were going to suspend its use for 30 days,” Police Chief Carmen Best said.

The leaders suspended the gas until watchdog groups and oversight officials can fully review and recommend changes to policies and training for use of the chemical agent. Local health officials expressed concerns over use of tear gas and other respiratory irritants in light of the coronavirus pandemic.

The ban only applies to tear gas-- not flash-bang grenades, pepper spray and other crowd-control techniques-- but Seattle’s female African American police chief said that “everything will be reviewed.”

 

https://www.foxnews.com/us/seattle-bans-tear-gas-30-days-george-floyd-protests

 

 

 

Smell nice LOL.

 

I've been tear gassed.  It's not pleasant at all but effective and you do live to tell about it. 

 

 

[Deranged Rhino]

Just now, GregPersons said:

 

It's an honor to interact with you here. I feel like I'm meeting the Dumbass All Stars. 

 

Devin Nunes, how's he doing?

 

If you've paid any attention, and you clearly have not, you'd understand that Nunes was vindicated on every count with regards to unmasking, illegal spying, and Trump Russia. Of course, if you actually cared about the systemic injustice in our system and the abuse of police power, you'd be lining up next to Nunes to fight that fight.

 

But you're not smart enough to know basic facts, let alone see through the programming that's been jammed into your head. 

 

You're truly a breathtakingly stupid NPC.  

[GregPersons]

1 minute ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

All those words just to say: 

 

"Yes, I am a giant hypocrite who's voting for Joe Biden -- a man who spent 40 years tilting the system against black and brown people -- while claiming I'm against systemic racism". 

 

You're a peach. Just a real dumb one. 

 

There's that charm. Spend the past 12 hours lecturing the board about how you're above racism only to fall right back into the moment you get exposed for being a truly stupid person. And you are, Greg, truly a very stupid person. 

 

 

 

And once again, an idiot brings out another ignorant (yet you're SOOOOO sure you're right) and misguided understanding of racism.

 

It is, by definition, impossible to be racist toward white people in America. If you understood anything here, you'd already know this. You don't, because it's obvious where you get all of your information. (Will you please tell me how Devin Nunes balls taste, already??)

 

You can be prejudiced against white people, like my post. But nothing I say removes the institutional advantages given to actual ######s like you, and because of your skin color, you are able to go through life -- not only not realizing you are deeply stupid, but mistaking that for a great intellect. 

 

 

1 minute ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

If you've paid any attention, and you clearly have not, you'd understand that Nunes was vindicated on every count with regards to unmasking, illegal spying, and Trump Russia. Of course, if you actually cared about the systemic injustice in our system and the abuse of police power, you'd be lining up next to Nunes to fight that fight.

 

But you're not smart enough to know basic facts, let alone see through the programming that's been jammed into your head. 

 

You're truly a breathtakingly stupid NPC.  

 

Oooh, earlier I called this too. Racists have a very hard time with solipsism. This is very clear with you.

 

You probably often suspect you're "the only real person" I bet, right? 

 

Actually I'm not even real. I'm a test put here by God and Jesus Christ. All of this exists just for you. The only real person. The only one who knows...

 

 

 

...The truth.

[Deranged Rhino]

1 minute ago, GregPersons said:

 

And once again, an idiot brings out another ignorant (yet you're SOOOOO sure you're right) and misguided understanding of racism.

 

It is, by definition, impossible to be racist toward white people in America. If you understood anything here, you'd already know this. You don't, because it's obvious where you get all of your information. (Will you please tell me how Devin Nunes balls taste, already??)

 

You can be prejudiced against white people, like my post. But nothing I say removes the institutional advantages given to actual ######s like you, and because of your skin color, you are able to go through life -- not only not realizing you are deeply stupid, but mistaking that for a great intellect. 

 

 

 

Once again, proving to the world, that you're not only wrong -- but deeply stupid. 

[GregPersons]

Just now, Deranged Rhino said:

 

Once again, proving to the world, that you're not only wrong -- but deeply stupid. 

 

This really feels like a true PPP experience now. Circular conversations. Completely empty posts that are disagreeable and spiteful with nothing in them aside from just a vague hatred. Deranged Rhino thinks he's on to a good point while peeing his pants.

[Deranged Rhino]

 

Just now, GregPersons said:

 

This really feels like a true PPP experience now. Circular conversations. Completely empty posts that are disagreeable and spiteful with nothing in them aside from just a vague hatred. Deranged Rhino thinks he's on to a good point while peeing his pants.

 

You've made two demonstrably untrue statements today: 

1) Destruction of property does not equal violence

2) It's impossible to be racist against white people

 

One of us is posting empty posts filled with hatred, it's not me. 

 

But again, you continue to prove how deeply stupid of a person you are. 

 

[RochesterRob]

13 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

All those words just to say: 

 

"Yes, I am a giant hypocrite who's voting for Joe Biden -- a man who spent 40 years tilting the system against black and brown people -- while claiming I'm against systemic racism". 

 

You're a peach. Just a real dumb one. 

 

There's that charm. Spend the past 12 hours lecturing the board about how you're above racism only to fall right back into the moment you get exposed for being a truly stupid person. And you are, Greg, truly a very stupid person. 

 

 

  20 sock accounts now for him?

Edited June 6, 2020 by RochesterRob

[TakeYouToTasker]

4 hours ago, GregPersons said:

And let's be real clear.

 

Property damage =/= violence. 

Pro-tip:

 

Saying “let’s be clear” before saying something dopey and untrue is not some kind of magic wand which imbues the absurd with truth.

 

What is actually true is that it’s absolutely violence, but it’s a type of violence you endorse.

 

Stealing or destroying someone’s property isn’t simply wrecking things, but rather is destroying what those things represent:  the time and labor of the individual who toiled to acquire those things.  Stealing or destroying property robs individuals of their labor without compensation.  IE it enslaves them retroactively.

 

And you know what should be done to slavers?  They should be shot, on site, in order that they be made examples of.  Because this doesn’t end until people understand that their lives are forfeit if they engage in it.

 

Please understand that it’s not that I value my property more than I value the lives of looters and rioters; but rather that anyone attempting to steal or damage my property seems to value my property more than they value their own life, and I’m happy to honor their assessment.

Edited June 6, 2020 by TakeYouToTasker

[GG]

Race or culture?

 

Keep climbing that mountain GP. 

 

Things have certainly improved since Bill Cosby was put away, right?   Maybe you can explain the quantum economic and societal leap made by South Asians in the last 25 years?   Last I looked, many are far darker than the people you say are slighted because of their color.  

[BillsFanNC]

21 minutes ago, Jaraxxus said:

 

"Destruction of property isn't violence."

 

His words.

 

And when you tell the person who is non-violently destroying your property that you disagree and think it is indeed a violent act to destroy your property, then of course you would be guilty of speech violence yourself.

[Deranged Rhino]

This is the Sake House today -- but according to @GregPersons it was just "smashed windows, boo hoo"

 

 

When someone declares themselves to be an idiot -- believe them. 

[iinii]

21 hours ago, bilzfancy said:

The far left wants anarchy, to accomplish that, get rid of law enforcement

Which is the interesting part to me, because when you look at them and their guns out, they look just like the other guys, with their guns out. So are they just the same wolf in another sheep’s clothing?

Edited June 6, 2020 by iinii
Misspelling

[GregPersons]

2 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said:

Pro-tip:

 

Saying “let’s be clear” before saying something dopey and untrue is not some kind of magic wand which imbues the absurd with truth.

 

What is actually true is that it’s absolutely violence, but it’s a type of violence you endorse.

 

Stealing or destroying someone’s property isn’t simply wrecking things, but rather is destroying what those things represent:  the time and labor of the individual who toiled to acquire those things.  Stealing or destroying property robs individuals of their labor without compensation.  IE it enslaved them retroactively.

 

And you know what should be done to slavers?  They should be shot, on site, in order that they be made examples of.  Because this doesn’t end until people understand that their lives are forfeit if they engage in it.

 

Please understand that it’s not that I value my property more than I value the lives of looters and rioters; but rather that anyone attempting to steal or damage my property seems to vale my property more than they value their own life, and I’m happy to honor their assessment.

 

Hi. Thanks for the tip.

 

First of all — let's be EXTREMELY clear —

 

Property Violence =/= Human Violence

 

These are not the same. They are not the same conversation. Are you familiar with COINTELPRO? I have to imagine you are. Do you know why I would ask you this specifically with regard to looting and property violence? 

 

Because these attitudes, common in modern society, are outgrowths from those (many) attempts to frame the plight of Black America to White Americans as being unreasonable.

 

I understand this is really difficult for people, and I'm not being sarcastic here. Because it does not seem to initially make moral or ethical sense. Why is property violence okay? It's obviously wrong, it's obviously a crime. But this is imagining things in a separate reality instead of the one we live in, devoid of all context. In that alternate universe, I would agree.

 

In this universe, it is not the place of White America to say what is and is not an acceptable form of protest from Black America. Is that unfair? That is still the wrong way of thinking of it. And this, I am arguing, is a result of generations of willful government action to pollute discourse and divide White and Black America for as long as possible. It lasted a very very long time, and we are still in it today. 

 

It has never been reckoned with this in this country, in any honest way. That's why I am pushing people here to say their true feelings. There is a lot of national repression on this topic. And as I've said many times already, we know for a fact, the White Establishment (not all Whites individually), that power structure wants nothing more than to put this away and not address it. That's true regardless of if the president is Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama, Trump. However back you want to go. 

 

BY THE WAY — I'm aware this can seems real ***** wild to people who have not been affected by racism. If you are still struggling with the elementary concepts here, like systemic racism, privilege, etc, then this just seems like crazy talk. It's also why I'm not interested in being anyone's tutor on this. You are big boys who are capable of finding things.

 

White America has -- forget about reparations -- they still refuse to just acknowledge the true history of this country. It's hard to White people to understand this. Again, "race" is only a "touchy" conversation for white people. It's not "touchy" to non-whites, because they have to live with this every day. So to white guys, this is "theory." This is "Marxist theory." To actual people, this is jut the reality of life. 

 

Step one is to acknowledge that White America and Black America have never been on equal footing. (Then the racists try to make it seem like you're saying black people are inequal). I am saying — the treatment between the two needs to be first understood. It needs to be understood how this is a long series of cause/effect chain reactions throughout this country's history that has led to the present day.

 

The protests and police violence did not fall out of the sky. They are the obvious culmination of long periods of anger and frustration that have boiled over. Why is that? Because you still see people, probably all over this board, insisting that Black people should just "get over it." Because "it happened a long time ago" and it "wasn't my fault." As though the crime's impact was limited to the initial slavers.

 

The impact extends to RIGHT NOW. 

 

So when people unaffected by racism try to tell people who are affected by racism that doesn't exist — that, too, is violence. If property damage is violence, then absolutely so too is economic/social/mental/emotional/psychic violence. And that has been applied, in addition to police violence AND property violence, against Black people throughout history. 

 

It is very difficult to explain why you should care about this. It is very difficult to explain to someone with a boot on your face or your throat that this is not right. Why would they agree with that? They're the ones in the power position. 

 

Part of me knows typing this out is pointless and I should just call you a *****stick and move on. But I can't help but try to give people a chance. Prove me wrong for doing so.

[Deranged Rhino]

This man is running for Congress. 

 

 

[GregPersons]

14 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

This is the Sake House today -- but according to @GregPersons it was just "smashed windows, boo hoo"

 

 

When someone declares themselves to be an idiot -- believe them. 

 

I'm aware of the damage, I am familiar with the area that was affected and live nearby.  I just was not aware that the business would not be returning, or that the insurance claim was not being approved, which again, I don't know why that would be the case for Sake House and not others? Since this is a "Deranged Exclusive" story, that somehow I should know, and also believe, maybe you'll enlighten us. Or maybe you'll just post a laughing emoji!

 

I'm not inclined to disbelieve such a claim normally, you just seem entirely unreliable as a source.

Edited June 6, 2020 by GregPersons

[Deranged Rhino]

1 minute ago, GregPersons said:

 

This is "Marxist theory." 

 

The only honest thing you've written today. 

 

Too bad you're far too stupid of a person to understand why espousing Marxism in 2020 is laughably insane. 

1 minute ago, GregPersons said:

 

I'm aware of the damage...

 

And yet you lied about it anyway... why? 

 

Right. Because you're deeply dishonest and terribly stupid. 

2 minutes ago, GregPersons said:

 

I am familiar with the area that was affected and live nearby.

 

If that's true, go talk to the owners. They're there cleaning up this morning. Ask them. 

 

*************

Here's where Greg is getting his philosophy -- 

 

 

 

 

When people brag about being a Marxist, believe them. And know they are deeply ignorant of history. 

[GregPersons]

12 minutes ago, iinii said:

Which is the interesting part to me, because when you look at them and their guns out, they look just like the other guys, with their guns out. So are they just the same wolf in another sheep’s clothing?

 

No. The left wants an end to police violence. 

 

Cops don't need guns. Every example of a "good cop" doing something productive, 10/10 times, they are providing a service that is unarmed. They are mediating, helping reunite lost children from parents, breaking up disputes before they get violent. 

 

I keep asking for someone to supply a story with this, and so far nobody has supplied even one —

 

Looking for a news story where a cop directly saved a human life with their firearm. Not "killing a gangbanger who would later kill people" or anything speculative. An example of someone breaking into a home and endangering lives with a weapon of their own, and the cops stopping that with excessive force.

 

What I'd like to see is statistics.

 

Number of lives directly saved by cops with guns

Number of lives directly ended by cops with guns

 

 

Also, curious to know...

 

Number of rape cases solved by police

Number of rape cases dismissed by police

 

Because every story I have seen and heard from the women in my life/network/beyond, any woman who reported rape to the police suffered an extremely humiliating experience, and found no help. 

 

 

So the real question is. What are the actual, honest to God, real life services that Police are carrying out that are so essential?  Because I really think most of America is mixed up on where their information is coming from. I think people have seen so many cop shows, they think cops are solving that amount of cases in reality.