SectionC3 Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 Just now, Reality Check said: You keep doubling down as a pathological liar. Please, continue. Hoax. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 Just now, SectionC3 said: Or someone doesn’t know the legal definition of a person. Either one. And that's why you're a clown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionC3 Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 1 minute ago, Reality Check said: You keep doubling down as a pathological liar. Please, continue. I take it you didn’t bother to brush up on the born alive rule. Guns kill more people than do abortions. It’s a fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinga Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 1 minute ago, Deranged Rhino said: 30-40,0000 gun deaths a year in the US. And most of those are by LE personnel or self defense. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reality Check Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 Just now, SectionC3 said: Hoax. You really are twisted...and a liar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 Just now, Cinga said: And most of those are by LE personnel or self defense. Yes, but facts aren't his friend. He proves that each and every day he posts. He's a clown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionC3 Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 Just now, Deranged Rhino said: And that's why you're a clown. Fake news. But what appears to be non-fake news is that you believe that any time a woman pregnant in her first trimester has a beer or sneaks a cigarette she should be charged with a misdemeanor. 1 minute ago, Cinga said: And most of those are by LE personnel or self defense. Immaterial. The fact remains that guns kill more people than do abortions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinga Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 1 minute ago, SectionC3 said: I take it you didn’t bother to brush up on the born alive rule. Guns kill more people than do abortions. It’s a fact. You're just playing on words as usual, and thinking a "fetus" is not a living person. But they are, so go f*** yourself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionC3 Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 Just now, Cinga said: You're just playing on words as usual, and thinking a "fetus" is not a living person. But they are, so go f*** yourself Not in the eyes of the law they aren’t. And if they are, then we have a real problem with policing expectant mothers, right? You’re cool with charging expectant moms with endangering the welfare of a child if they have a glass of wine? Or with investigating an expectant mom who miscarries early for manslaughter or criminally negligent homicide? Have at it, but don’t complain to me about a police state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reality Check Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 1 minute ago, SectionC3 said: I take it you didn’t bother to brush up on the born alive rule. Guns kill more people than do abortions. It’s a fact. As I recall, everything the Nazis did was legal in German courts. It took years to accomplish, but they achieved institutional evil. Your mind set is clear. You worship the authority of the state. If the state condones barbarism that benefits you, you are all in. Very few things in life really set me off, but the Nazi mindset does it every time. I absolutely hate Nazis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whatnot78 Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 2 minutes ago, Cinga said: And most of those are by LE personnel or self defense. Actually 2/3 of those are suicide. Makes you wonder if they didn’t have guns, would they still commit suicide by other means? My guess is most would 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 Just now, SectionC3 said: Fake news. In just the past twenty minutes you've posted a completely ignorant take on the legal system and the rule of law, and stated a "fact" that was only off by about 560,000 deaths. You are a joke of a poster, who has no understanding of much of anything. And you seem to enjoy proving that on a daily basis down here. A smarter man would realize what an embarrassment he's become, but you're not a smart man. Or an original one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 Sweet Baby Jesus people. Can we stay on topic? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionC3 Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Reality Check said: As I recall, everything the Nazis did was legal in German courts. It took years to accomplish, but they achieved institutional evil. Your mind set is clear. You worship the authority of the state. If the state condones barbarism that benefits you, you are all in. Very few things in life really set me off, but the Nazi mindset does it every time. I absolutely hate Nazis. Hoax. You’re just a bit touchy, or maybe a bit “snowflake-y,” because you’re wrong. Guns kill more people than do abortions. Chew on that fact all day long. 1 minute ago, Deranged Rhino said: In just the past twenty minutes you've posted a completely ignorant take on the legal system and the rule of law, and stated a "fact" that was only off by about 560,000 deaths. You are a joke of a poster, who has no understanding of much of anything. And you seem to enjoy proving that on a daily basis down here. A smarter man would realize what an embarrassment he's become, but you're not a smart man. Or an original one. You are a bit hoaxy again today, aren’t you? What’s the legal definition of a person? Hint: it’s someone who is born alive. Ergo, guns kill more people than do abortions. 2 minutes ago, Reality Check said: As I recall, everything the Nazis did was legal in German courts. It took years to accomplish, but they achieved institutional evil. Your mind set is clear. You worship the authority of the state. If the state condones barbarism that benefits you, you are all in. Very few things in life really set me off, but the Nazi mindset does it every time. I absolutely hate Nazis. All the more reason Trump’s monkeying with the justice system is disgraceful, by the way. Edited May 12, 2020 by SectionC3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 16 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: You fail to understand the entire foundation of our legal system. It's not "guilty until you prove yourself innocent", it's quite the opposite. The sentiment you're pushing here is the reason WHY we have the system we do. Wrong. Unless you're promoting fascism, which you seem to love to do. Your statement changes nothing. No man is above the law. Including our leaders. If he is innocent then fine. If he's guilty fine. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinga Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 2 minutes ago, SectionC3 said: snowflake-y, Can't even come up with original names can you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionC3 Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 3 minutes ago, Reality Check said: As I recall, everything the Nazis did was legal in German courts. It took years to accomplish, but they achieved institutional evil. Your mind set is clear. You worship the authority of the state. If the state condones barbarism that benefits you, you are all in. Very few things in life really set me off, but the Nazi mindset does it every time. I absolutely hate Nazis. You might want to take it up with state legislatures, which define “person” for the purpose of assessing criminal liability. Just now, Cinga said: Can't even come up with original names can you? I can. Snowflake just fits the best here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 Just now, oldmanfan said: Your statement changes nothing. No man is above the law. Including our leaders. If he is innocent then fine. If he's guilty fine. It changes EVERYTHING in fact. You're arguing for a complete subversion of the western notion of jurisprudence. You're arguing that the onus is on the individual to prove his innocence. That's been the mantra of tyrants since the beginning of time, and why LIBERAL PHILOSOPHY spent hundreds of years fighting for the system we have now. You're 100% incorrect. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionC3 Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 Just now, Deranged Rhino said: It changes EVERYTHING in fact. You're arguing for a complete subversion of the western notion of jurisprudence. You're arguing that the onus is on the individual to prove his innocence. That's been the mantra of tyrants since the beginning of time, and why LIBERAL PHILOSOPHY spent hundreds of years fighting for the system we have now. You're 100% incorrect. Do you know the issue in the “Trump” case that is to be (or by now maybe has been) argued today? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reality Check Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 2 minutes ago, SectionC3 said: You might want to take it up with state legislatures, which define “person” for the purpose of assessing criminal liability. I can. Snowflake just fits the best here. Call me what you like, but you are a pathological liar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionC3 Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 Just now, Reality Check said: Call me what you like, but you are a pathological liar. Fake news. I speak the truth. And you know it, which is why you have resorted to name calling. Not classy on your end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reality Check Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 1 minute ago, SectionC3 said: Fake news. I speak the truth. And you know it, which is why you have resorted to name calling. Not classy on your end. You just can't stop lying. You are going to provide some amazing entertainment over the next 6 months. You do you, as disgusting as that may be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionC3 Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 Just now, Reality Check said: You just can't stop lying. You are going to provide some amazing entertainment over the next 6 months. You do you, as disgusting as that may be. Still can’t refute my point. I’ll be here all day if you get around to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whatnot78 Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 22 minutes ago, SectionC3 said: Fake news. But what appears to be non-fake news is that you believe that any time a woman pregnant in her first trimester has a beer or sneaks a cigarette she should be charged with a misdemeanor. Immaterial. The fact remains that guns kill more people than do abortions. In 2016, 623,471 legal induced abortions were reported to CDC from 48 reporting areas. The abortion rate for 2016 was 11.6 abortions per 1,000 women aged 15–44 years, and the abortion ratio was 186 abortions per 1,000 live births. https://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/data_stats/index.htm Where do you get your stats from gun deaths...so I can follow you on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionC3 Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Whatnot78 said: In 2016, 623,471 legal induced abortions were reported to CDC from 48 reporting areas. The abortion rate for 2016 was 11.6 abortions per 1,000 women aged 15–44 years, and the abortion ratio was 186 abortions per 1,000 live births. https://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/data_stats/index.htm Where do you get your stats from gun deaths...so I can follow you on this. Define “person.” I’ll make it easy for you. In approximately zero of the 623,471 cases you mentioned was a “person” killed. You might believe that a fetus is a person. And you’re entitled to that view. (For what it’s worth, it’s one that I happen to share.) But the law doesn’t see it that way, and we are a nation of laws. The fetus becomes a “person” the moment the fetus is born alive. Ergo, guns kill more “people” than do abortions. Case closed. Edited May 12, 2020 by SectionC3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whatnot78 Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 3 minutes ago, SectionC3 said: Define “person.” What? I'm asking where you get your stats from, not some philosophical debate. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionC3 Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 Just now, Whatnot78 said: What? I'm asking where you get your stats from, not some philosophical debate. See above. You assume that abortion terminates a “person.” Under the eyes of the law, it does not. The fact remains that guns kill more people than do abortions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whatnot78 Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 Just now, SectionC3 said: See above. You assume that abortion terminates a “person.” Under the eyes of the law, it does not. The fact remains that guns kill more people than do abortions. I'm not assuming anything. I'm providing stats from the CDC. So again, where are you getting your stats from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionC3 Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 1 minute ago, Whatnot78 said: I'm not assuming anything. I'm providing stats from the CDC. So again, where are you getting your stats from. We can agree that there are a significant number of homicides arising from gun violence in this country, correct? To the extent we agree on that point, the data that you seek is irrelevant. Abortions do not kill people. Gun violence kills people. Case closed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whatnot78 Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 Just now, SectionC3 said: 1. We can agree that there are a significant number of homicides arising from gun violence in this country, correct? To the extent we agree on that point, 2. the data that you seek is irrelevant. 3. Abortions do not kill people. 4. Gun violence kills people. 5. Case closed. I've broken out my answers above by number... 1. Agree 2. Disagree...can you provide statistics? 3. Disagree...I'm assuming this is your "define person" argument 4. Agree 5. Only because you refuse to answer my question for #2 My case is closed...clearly you cannot provide any stats or just plain refuse to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 Supreme Court Arguments On Trump Finances Cases - NPR www.npr.org › 2020/05/12 › in-cases-on-trump-financial.. Supreme Court divided in arguments over Trump ... - CNBC.com www.cnbc.com › 2020/05/12 › supreme-court-hears-ar.. Live updates: Supreme Court arguments on Trump's taxes ... www.cnn.com › trump-supreme-court-cases-05-12-20 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionC3 Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Whatnot78 said: I've broken out my answers above by number... 1. Agree 2. Disagree...can you provide statistics? 3. Disagree...I'm assuming this is your "define person" argument 4. Agree 5. Only because you refuse to answer my question for #2 My case is closed...clearly you cannot provide any stats or just plain refuse to. https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/past-tolls And there we go. Gun violence has killed people. Abortion does not kill a person. Case closed. *** And, by way of example in New York State: https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/laws/PEN/125.05,d Edited May 12, 2020 by SectionC3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whatnot78 Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 Just now, SectionC3 said: https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/past-tolls And there we go. Gun violence has killed people. Abortion does not kill a person. Case closed. Thank you for providing the stats. It clearly shows that gun violence kills people. IMO it is no where near abortions. Agree to disagree on that point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Zevon Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 What happened to the recipes? So much intellectual dishonesty from #Cult45 - taking a Tibs thread seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, SectionC3 said: Define “person.” I’ll make it easy for you. In approximately zero of the 623,471 cases you mentioned was a “person” killed. You might believe that a fetus is a person. And you’re entitled to that view. (For what it’s worth, it’s one that I happen to share.) But the law doesn’t see it that way, and we are a nation of laws. The fetus becomes a “person” the moment the fetus is born alive. Ergo, guns kill more “people” than do abortions. Case closed. What about the viability of a fetus? Abortions generally can't be performed, per Roe vs. Wade in the third trimester (there are exceptions). That 24-28 week standard is almost 50 years old. Viability is actually sooner than that, based upon today's medicine. So, yes, you want to play the "person" game, but actually a person can easily be considered, by law, as a fetus in the third trimester. Looking at it that way, there are thousands of late-term abortions each year in the United States. Still fewer than total gun deaths, but maybe as many as homicides. I tend to stay away from abortion discussions, so I won't be responding to any of your replies on this, just so you know. Edit: 2017 late term abortions were approximately 11,000 in 2017 https://s27589.pcdn.co/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/CLI-Fact-Sheet-Late-Term-Abortion-February-24-2020.pdf 2017 gun homicides in 2017 were approximately 11,000 https://www.statista.com/statistics/249803/number-of-homicides-by-firearm-in-the-united-states/ You may not be as right as you think you are. Edited May 12, 2020 by snafu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 7 hours ago, Nanker said: WTH. How did this thread get so off track? Tail to snout baby! Tail to snout! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 4 hours ago, SectionC3 said: Who said anything about guilt? ... congratulations. you made the, 'you're an idiot' list. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wacka Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 8 hours ago, Nanker said: WTH. How did this thread get so off track? Mmmmm...Bacon!!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 3 hours ago, SectionC3 said: https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/past-tolls And there we go. Gun violence has killed people. Abortion does not kill a person. Case closed. *** And, by way of example in New York State: https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/laws/PEN/125.05,d Earlier in this thread you kept saying guns kill more people. Did you just have an epiphany and now it's gun violence kills more people? Governor Northam confessed on tape that he would follow the mother's wishes if a planned abortion baby was actually born alive and kill it if she wanted that done. By your definition, he is a murderer. A black-faced murderer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbillievable Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 12 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: Earlier in this thread you kept saying guns kill more people. Did you just have an epiphany and now it's gun violence kills more people? Governor Northam confessed on tape that he would follow the mother's wishes if a planned abortion baby was actually born alive and kill it if she wanted that done. By your definition, he is a murderer. A black-faced murderer. He's arguing that a fetus is not a person. So any number is higher than 0 I will also argue that the human brain doesn't fully develop until the age of 26... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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