Bills in talks with both Dawkins and Milano (Both represented by the same agency)

[Chandler#81]

5 minutes ago, Watkins101 said:

The Bills did not "let him walk". They traded him for Jordan Matthews and a 3rd.

Well aware of that. Trading him means they let him walk.

[Mango]

On 4/16/2020 at 5:19 AM, longtimebillsfan said:

We need to lock up Tre.  I am tired of seeing All pro corners start their careers with the Bills and spend the remainder of their career with another team.  Sign him now!

Can you imagine this place if we trade that pick with Mahomes and Watson still on the board, and don’t re-sign the guy (Tre) we traded down to select instead. Hahaha

[MrEpsYtown]

37 minutes ago, Mango said:

Can you imagine this place if we trade that pick with Mahomes and Watson still on the board, and don’t re-sign the guy (Tre) we traded down to select instead. Hahaha

totally! You figure you get the 5th year option and at least 1 franchise tag. So he’s here at least 3 more years. Worst case scenario is that he plays here 8 years and walk as a free agent at like 29. That’s not awful but I think we are better off keeping him here. 

Edited April 17, 2020 by MrEpsYtown

[Motor26]

51 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said:

Well aware of that. Trading him means they let him walk.

No, trading means they got something in return for him. Letting him walk means he leaves for nothing except maybe a comp pick. 

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

17 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

If Tre White isnt a bill for life I will eat my hat

We will sign him to a 7 year 150 mil with 90 guaranteed. In a money saving effort he will also play goalie for the Sabers and play slot WR on 30% of offensive snaps. 

[Canadian Bills Fan]

12 hours ago, Chandler#81 said:

Toss in Ronald Darby.

 and Whitner

[longtimebillsfan]

2 hours ago, Mango said:

Can you imagine this place if we trade that pick with Mahomes and Watson still on the board, and don’t re-sign the guy (Tre) we traded down to select instead. Hahaha

I don't  eva

En want to consider that.  That would be depressing. 

[Chandler#81]

21 hours ago, Motor26 said:

No, trading means they got something in return for him. Letting him walk means he leaves for nothing except maybe a comp pick. 

Whatever. The Bills deemed him expendable.

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[Victory Formation]

Music to my ears. Dawkins is a guy who I like a lot, it’s fantastic news that we’re looking to bring him back and the same goes for Milano to a lesser degree. The bottom line is the bottom line though. If they’re willing to sign reasonable deals is the question. Wouldn’t break the bank for Milano but for Dawkins I think it’s pretty important we get him signed long term. It’ll be interesting to see the numbers.

[4merper4mer]

On April 16, 2020 at 6:03 PM, Bill from NYC said:

Clements was a great player for the Bills. TD got him after trading down 7 spots and picking up a 2nd round pick. I wasn't thrilled at the time, but remember; corners were less important than they are today. He was an excellent corner and a great punt returner.

I remember articles that said that his wife wanted no part of Buffalo. Levy hit him with the Franchise Tag and "promised" him to let him go after 1 season. This is a sample of the idiocy we were faced with.

He signed a huge contract with the 49ers and wasn't anywhere close to being the player he was on the Bills. I don't know if it was due to injuries or if he lost his desire after the big cash.

Time does fly.

 

This is odd way to admit I was right all along with my chess piece analogy about corners.....but apology accepted.

[Bill from NYC]

7 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said:

This is odd way to admit I was right all along with my chess piece analogy about corners.....but apology accepted.

Sure, no problem although; I have no idea what you are talking about.

[4merper4mer]

2 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

Sure, no problem although; I have no idea what you are talking about.

Corners are like bishops and knights and your beloved linemen are like pawns.  Ring a bell?

[Bill from NYC]

3 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said:

Corners are like bishops and knights and your beloved linemen are like pawns.  Ring a bell?

Good call. I mean after all, using our best picks on DBs brought us just so many championships! Good thing we didn't draft Mahomes!!!

 

And yes, corners are far more important than pass rush. Pressure and sacks are an afterthought. A "shut down" corner can stay with his man for at least 10 seconds.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome

[Codyny13]

On 4/16/2020 at 6:09 PM, Bill from NYC said:

We are Bills Fans. Long time Bills Fans. The history of the Bills is our reference. Many of the same stupid mistakes have been made time and again. We drafted Tre White in lieu of Mahomes and Watson. Who would you like to blame for this? Marv Levy?

 

Some of us who have been long time fans need to see a real difference. We need to see an escape from the years of dumb decisions. It looks better now but there is still much to prove, wouldn't you say?

I get what you’re saying, but I don’t like the example. When Mahomes and co. were drafted, the Bills were going through a complete front office, head coach, gm transition. McD was a new hire, Doug Whaley was walking deadman about to get canned, and Beane was hired post-draft. The intel and scouting of quarterbacks that year was extremely limited and brief bc of that.  I’m sure there was a lack of trust. You can tell by the pick that McD had his hands all over the draft. He picked a safe option to him, inside his spec of knowledge...defensive secondary. It worked out in the sense they got an all-pro player at a valuable position, but the transition in the building lended to an inability to tie the franchise to certain players, being changes in culture, scheme fits, etc. I can understand blaming the initial hire of Rex for certain things that happened in the future, but I can’t hold the current hierarchy responsible for that “miss.”

[JGMcD2]

On 4/16/2020 at 6:09 PM, Bill from NYC said:

We are Bills Fans. Long time Bills Fans. The history of the Bills is our reference. Many of the same stupid mistakes have been made time and again. We drafted Tre White in lieu of Mahomes and Watson. Who would you like to blame for this? Marv Levy?

 

Some of us who have been long time fans need to see a real difference. We need to see an escape from the years of dumb decisions. It looks better now but there is still much to prove, wouldn't you say?

If this leadership group doesn’t strike you as drastically different than everyone since Polian... I’m not sure what to tell you. 
 

The Mahomes and Watson debate is tired and old. Trubsisky was the #1 QB taken that year. 9 teams passed on Mahomes and 11 passed on Watson. There was no consensus on who was the best of the bunch... 

 

McDermott was without his GM... it would be a move of “Bills Old” to let the GM and his staff very clearly on their way out (Doug Whaley) to draft the most important position on the field. 

[Logic]

15 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said:

If this leadership group doesn’t strike you as drastically different than everyone since Polian... I’m not sure what to tell you. 
 

The Mahomes and Watson debate is tired and old. Trubsisky was the #1 QB taken that year. 9 teams passed on Mahomes and 11 passed on Watson. There was no consensus on who was the best of the bunch... 

 

McDermott was without his GM... it would be a move of “Bills Old” to let the GM and his staff very clearly on their way out (Doug Whaley) to draft the most important position on the field. 

 

This. 

 

If you can’t see the CLEAR difference between the drought era GM/coach combos and Beane/McDermott, then I sincerely question what you’re even looking at.

 

And if your answer is “let’s see results!”, I would point to two playoff trips in three years — WHILE executing a complete rebuild — when no other Bills team had made it in 17 years.

 

They are demonstrably and unquestionably highly competent. I don’t know what else to say.

[Bill from NYC]

18 hours ago, JGMcD2 said:

If this leadership group doesn’t strike you as drastically different than everyone since Polian... I’m not sure what to tell you. 
 

The Mahomes and Watson debate is tired and old. Trubsisky was the #1 QB taken that year. 9 teams passed on Mahomes and 11 passed on Watson. There was no consensus on who was the best of the bunch... 

 

McDermott was without his GM... it would be a move of “Bills Old” to let the GM and his staff very clearly on their way out (Doug Whaley) to draft the most important position on the field. 

It does, and is clearly superior. My thing is that we desperately needed a QB. It could have been Mahomes or Watson (who was a champion).  And, many teams that passed on these 2 already had a qb in place. 

 

Blame who you will but imo this is not something to just write off and excuse. It was a continuation of idiocy. I don't see why this should be so hard to accept. Hopefully things will change but this was just another prime example (however temporary) of stupid moves by the Bills front office.

[Pbomb]

19 hours ago, JGMcD2 said:

If this leadership group doesn’t strike you as drastically different than everyone since Polian... I’m not sure what to tell you. 
 

The Mahomes and Watson debate is tired and old. Trubsisky was the #1 QB taken that year. 9 teams passed on Mahomes and 11 passed on Watson. There was no consensus on who was the best of the bunch... 

 

McDermott was without his GM... it would be a move of “Bills Old” to let the GM and his staff very clearly on their way out (Doug Whaley) to draft the most important position on the field. 

Ya their plan was clearly to stock up on draft picks and let the new gm pick the qb  of the future next year. At the time the next qb class was thought to be far superior to the Mahomes one also 

[JGMcD2]

6 hours ago, Bill from NYC said:

It does, and is clearly superior. My thing is that we desperately needed a QB. It could have been Mahomes or Watson (who was a champion).  And, many teams that passed on these 2 already had a qb in place. 

 

Blame who you will but imo this is not something to just write off and excuse. It was a continuation of idiocy. I don't see why this should be so hard to accept. Hopefully things will change but this was just another prime example (however temporary) of stupid moves by the Bills front office.

Yes, Deshaun Watson was a College Football National Champion. You know what other quarterbacks were...? Matt Leinert (2004), Vince Young (2005), Matt Flynn (2007), AJ McCarron (2011), Cardale Jones (2015). Real top notch crew... all played for Buffalo at one point! 
 

The Browns, Bears (who took a QB other than Mahomes/Watson), Jaguars, Titans, Jets all needed a QB. That’s 5 teams that passed on those guys and 1 that not only chose a different QB but traded from pick #3 to pick #2 that night to ensure that they got a QB other than Mahomes/Watson. 
 

It can’t be a continuation of idiocy when the current regime, in its entirety wasn’t in place. I’m pretty sure we have 0 members of Football Operations from the draft and they were all let go when Beane came in... which was after the draft. You don’t let a lame duck GM make a franchise altering decision... McDermott had to operate off the information that Whaley’s scouts produced... not his scouts, not Beane’s scouts. 
 

Also, saying we desperately needed a QB is a stretch. Tyrod was a consistent albeit unspectacular QB that was at the helm when we broke the drought... that another team valued enough to give us a 3rd round pick when it was obvious we would cut him AND the San Diego Chargers are going to start this year. 

Edited April 19, 2020 by JGMcD2

[Bill from NYC]

3 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said:

 

Also, saying we desperately needed a QB is a stretch. Tyrod was a consistent albeit unspectacular QB that was at the helm when we broke the drought... that another team valued enough to give us a 3rd round pick when it was obvious we would cut him AND the San Diego Chargers are going to start this year. 

Wow. Just wow. Can you ever recall a dumb move that the Bills made?  

 

You are lucky and I am not joking. I am sure that I would be a happier person if I was a blind, one way of thinking optimist.

[JGMcD2]

56 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

Wow. Just wow. Can you ever recall a dumb move that the Bills made?  

 

You are lucky and I am not joking. I am sure that I would be a happier person if I was a blind, one way of thinking optimist.

You’re missing the the point of my entire argument. 
 

The Buffalo Bills have undoubtedly made dumb moves, highlighted by the fact they went 20 years without being in the playoffs. That concept isn’t up for debate. 
 

Sean McDermott and Brandon Beane HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT. Just because they work for the Bills now, does not mean that when they sign their contract on the dotted line they are hereby required to think and act and make moves akin to regimes of the past. 
 

AND YES. You can pull up dumb moves that they’re made, I’m sure of it. What fans don’t understand is that there are micro and macro “bad moves”. A micro bad move would be $1M depth signing that we hand out to compete for the backend of the roster... it’s not even a bad move... there are only so many spots. A REAL micro bad move would be trading back in the first because you don’t have enough trusted information to take a QB in your first year and you end up with an All-Pro corner and an extra 1st rounder you use to take your franchise QB the following year after making the playoffs in your first season with a roster expected to win 4 games. 
 

A macro bad move is drafting Zay Jones or trading a 3rd for Kelvin Benjamin. Those are things to be upset about... they flat out didn’t have anything positive come from them... but people here can’t differentiate. Just like they can’t recognize that because Tom Donahoe let Nate Clements walk doesn’t mean that Brandon Beane is going to let Tre White walk. 
 

This all started because you tried to compare their potential actions with Tre White to the losses of Nate Clements, Antoine Winfield and whoever else... guess what... it doesn’t matter what happened with those guys because McDermott/Beane were not pulling the strings then. It’s the simple - there is no pattern, the people making the decisions are different. The team may be the same, but the people are not. 

[FireChans]

1 hour ago, JGMcD2 said:

Yes, Deshaun Watson was a College Football National Champion. You know what other quarterbacks were...? Matt Leinert (2004), Vince Young (2005), Matt Flynn (2007), AJ McCarron (2011), Cardale Jones (2015). Real top notch crew... all played for Buffalo at one point! 
 

The Browns, Bears (who took a QB other than Mahomes/Watson), Jaguars, Titans, Jets all needed a QB. That’s 5 teams that passed on those guys and 1 that not only chose a different QB but traded from pick #3 to pick #2 that night to ensure that they got a QB other than Mahomes/Watson. 
 

It can’t be a continuation of idiocy when the current regime, in its entirety wasn’t in place. I’m pretty sure we have 0 members of Football Operations from the draft and they were all let go when Beane came in... which was after the draft. You don’t let a lame duck GM make a franchise altering decision... McDermott had to operate off the information that Whaley’s scouts produced... not his scouts, not Beane’s scouts. 
 

Also, saying we desperately needed a QB is a stretch. Tyrod was a consistent albeit unspectacular QB that was at the helm when we broke the drought... that another team valued enough to give us a 3rd round pick when it was obvious we would cut him AND the San Diego Chargers are going to start this year. 

Talk about revisionist history. Mariota and Bortles were both coming off decent seasons, Mariota was actually the best season of his career. The Bears took a QB. So really it was just us and the Jets, and uh, we haven’t been the greatest two franchises in recent memory lol.

[Chandler#81]

Anyway, back to the topic at hand, it’d be great to get these 2 secured for 4+ years. I consider them both cornerstones to what the team is building and doing so soon will give everybody a great look at what’s left in the coffers as Tre’ White, Josh & Edmonds near their 2nd contracts.

 

Anything decent from the Draft is pure gravy.

 

Git’erDone, BatBeane!

[FireChans]

42 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said:

Anyway, back to the topic at hand, it’d be great to get these 2 secured for 4+ years. I consider them both cornerstones to what the team is building and doing so soon will give everybody a great look at what’s left in the coffers as Tre’ White, Josh & Edmonds near their 2nd contracts.

 

Anything decent from the Draft is pure gravy.

 

Git’erDone, BatBeane!

What’s interesting is that I think we have a reasonable idea what Dawkins will cost. Milano is a wild card. I have no idea what price tag he is looking for.

[Bill from NYC]

2 hours ago, JGMcD2 said:

 

A macro bad move is drafting Zay Jones or trading a 3rd for Kelvin Benjamin. Those are things to be upset about... they flat out didn’t have anything positive come from them... but people here can’t differentiate. Just like they can’t recognize that because Tom Donahoe let Nate Clements walk doesn’t mean that Brandon Beane is going to let Tre White walk. 
 

This all started because you tried to compare their potential actions with Tre White to the losses of Nate Clements, Antoine Winfield and whoever else... guess what... it doesn’t matter what happened with those guys because McDermott/Beane were not pulling the strings then. It’s the simple - there is no pattern, the people making the decisions are different. The team may be the same, but the people are not. 

For the record, Levy made this insane "promise" to Clements and let him walk. It was just another chapter in the 1st round DB roller coaster. Apologists justify these stupid moves by saying that fill in the blank 1st round DB was "good." And they were, but they were stupid picks. The proof is in our W/L records. Is Tre "good?" Sure. He might even be great. Should they have drafted a qb? Yes, and I just don't care about who else passed them up! This is no excuse for idiocy and repeating the same stupid mistakes! I can't understand why this doesn't jump out at you.

Again, this regime looks good. Personally, I like Beane more than McDermott, although I'm not sure how much I like this latest trade of our #1. It might turn out to be a GREAT trade but I'm just a bit skeptical, and tell me; why shouldn't I be? There are just so many great receivers in this draft, wouldn't you say?

Peace, and GO BILLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[FireChans]

9 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

For the record, Levy made this insane "promise" to Clements and let him walk. It was just another chapter in the 1st round DB roller coaster. Apologists justify these stupid moves by saying that fill in the blank 1st round DB was "good." And they were, but they were stupid picks. The proof is in our W/L records. Is Tre "good?" Sure. He might even be great. Should they have drafted a qb? Yes, and I just don't care about who else passed them up! This is no excuse for idiocy and repeating the same stupid mistakes! I can't understand why this doesn't jump out at you.

Again, this regime looks good. Personally, I like Beane more than McDermott, although I'm not sure how much I like this latest trade of our #1. It might turn out to be a GREAT trade but I'm just a bit skeptical, and tell me; why shouldn't I be? There are just so many great receivers in this draft, wouldn't you say?

Peace, and GO BILLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

McD has picked better NfLers than Beane so far, IMO.

[Nanker]

On 4/16/2020 at 11:19 AM, CaptnCoke11 said:

Who are these all-pros other than Gilmore?

 

Maybe Winfield was 2nd team I can’t remember

Clements in 2004

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/ClemNa99.htm
 

[JGMcD2]

2 hours ago, Bill from NYC said:

For the record, Levy made this insane "promise" to Clements and let him walk. It was just another chapter in the 1st round DB roller coaster. Apologists justify these stupid moves by saying that fill in the blank 1st round DB was "good." And they were, but they were stupid picks. The proof is in our W/L records. Is Tre "good?" Sure. He might even be great. Should they have drafted a qb? Yes, and I just don't care about who else passed them up! This is no excuse for idiocy and repeating the same stupid mistakes! I can't understand why this doesn't jump out at you.

Again, this regime looks good. Personally, I like Beane more than McDermott, although I'm not sure how much I like this latest trade of our #1. It might turn out to be a GREAT trade but I'm just a bit skeptical, and tell me; why shouldn't I be? There are just so many great receivers in this draft, wouldn't you say?

Peace, and GO BILLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Again.... Point being... Levy’s promise has nothing to do with the decision making process of McBeane. Why doesn’t that jump out to you? 
 

We can debate the Diggs trade sure... the great receivers in this draft are going between 8-15. We would’ve needed to move up to secure a Jeudy, Ruggs, Lamb (otherwise people like you would be calling for their heads) and it would’ve cost us something realistically close to what we gave up for Diggs. I’ll take the known quantity... now that our QB is in year 3. Diggs has a cost-controlled contract that undoubtedly provides surplus value when weighted against his production. Was the price a little steep? Sure. I won’t disagree but Diggs came with a long term contract and proven production. His style of play meshes well with Allen...