Cripple Creek Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 (edited) My thread, my rules. A bust shall be defined as any player who does not come close to reaching his draft potential, irregardless of reason (drugs, injury, etc.). We shall go with the top 20 from this list: https://ftw.usatoday.com/gallery/2020-nfl-draft-big-board-consensus-top-40 Joe Burrow Chase Young Tua Tagovailoa Jeff Okuda Isaiah Simmons Derrick Brown Justin Herbert Jedrick Wills Jr. Mekhi Becton Tristan Wirfs CeeDee Lamb Andrew Thomas Javon Kinlaw Jerry Jeudy K'Lavon Chaisson Henry Ruggs III Jordan Love Xavier McKinney CJ Henderson Justin Jefferson So, of that group, who has, to you, the biggest bust potential? I'll go first: Tua. I wouldn't touch him with @GunnerBill 's 10' pole. Injury concerns are huge for me and no hands on medical evaluation make this a very risky move. It's one I wouldn't have made prior to our current mess, but now? Who ya got? Only one choice per user. No hemming, no hawing. Put your cajones on the chopping block. Edited April 3, 2020 by Cripple Creek Bolded text so even a gugny can follow the directions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 I think the three of those most likely not to be good are: Justin Herbert - I just don't see any truly exceptional traits. Mekhi Becton - all the traits and I do like him I think sky high potential but extremely low floor. Does at times lunge at defenders in a way that gives me Greg Robinson flash backs. CJ Henderson - he just has so many concentration lapses. The kid is talented but I don't know if he has it mentally to be a top end NFL player. There are others like Chaisson and Jefferson and Thomas who I have ceiling questions with but whose floors I think mean they will still have decent enough careers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiltonWaddams Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 Justin Herbert . He will be over-drafted. Not his fault, just the way it goes... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek94Hanson Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 Joe Burrow one hit wonder. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted April 3, 2020 Author Share Posted April 3, 2020 8 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I think the three of those most likely not to be good are: Justin Herbert - I just don't see any truly exceptional traits. Mekhi Becton - all the traits and I do like him I think sky high potential but extremely low floor. Does at times lunge at defenders in a way that gives me Greg Robinson flash backs. CJ Henderson - he just has so many concentration lapses. The kid is talented but I don't know if he has it mentally to be a top end NFL player. There are others like Chaisson and Jefferson and Thomas who I have ceiling questions with but whose floors I think mean they will still have decent enough careers. Rules! WE MUST HAVE ORDER! Pick one. I'll go update the OP. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillies Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 10 minutes ago, Derek94Hanson said: Joe Burrow one hit wonder. Bungles ruin everything. Their OL is likely to be bad again, and they stick in a rookie on day 1. Recipe for disaster. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimer1960 Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 Of that list, I think Chaisson as he will be drafted mostly on potential, not production. Still, he is young (not 21 until July), reportedly a hard worker and has all the physical tools to be very good. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 Joe Burrow, unless Chase Young doesn't live up to the hype. Of course Tua Tagovailoa's injury could turn him into a quick bust. But a lot of me thinks that Jeff Okuda, Isaiah Simmons, Derrick Brown and Justin Herbert might be overrated. Jedrick Wills Jr., Mekhi Becton, Tristan Wirfs, CeeDee Lamb, Andrew Thomas, Javon Kinlaw and Jerry Jeudy might be as good as advertised. Then again … they might not. K'Lavon Chaisson, Henry Ruggs III, Jordan Love and Xavier McKinney round out my list of players who could either be really good, really bad or somewhere in between. But I can't leave CJ Henderson and Justin Jefferson. These two could be superstars. But then again, they could be busts. But I'm leaning toward them either being studs, busts or average players. I stand by these assessments and predictions and welcome being called out if they turn out to be untrue. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prospector Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 1 minute ago, OldTimer1960 said: Of that list, I think Chaisson as he will be drafted mostly on potential, not production. Still, he is young (not 21 until July), reportedly a hard worker and has all the physical tools to be very good. I would say Chaisson also... could be the next Aaron 'Mayhem' Maybin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted April 3, 2020 Author Share Posted April 3, 2020 2 minutes ago, Gugny said: Joe Burrow, unless Chase Young doesn't live up to the hype. Of course Tua Tagovailoa's injury could turn him into a quick bust. But a lot of me thinks that Jeff Okuda, Isaiah Simmons, Derrick Brown and Justin Herbert might be overrated. Jedrick Wills Jr., Mekhi Becton, Tristan Wirfs, CeeDee Lamb, Andrew Thomas, Javon Kinlaw and Jerry Jeudy might be as good as advertised. Then again … they might not. K'Lavon Chaisson, Henry Ruggs III, Jordan Love and Xavier McKinney round out my list of players who could either be really good, really bad or somewhere in between. But I can't leave CJ Henderson and Justin Jefferson. These two could be superstars. But then again, they could be busts. But I'm leaning toward them either being studs, busts or average players. I stand by these assessments and predictions and welcome being called out if they turn out to be untrue. One person, one vote. No banditing allowed in this thread or I'll have you escorted out. Pick one guy and stick with him. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 1 minute ago, Cripple Creek said: One person, one vote. No banditing allowed in this thread or I'll have you escorted out. Pick one guy and stick with him. Burrow. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 Herbert and Ruggs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted April 3, 2020 Author Share Posted April 3, 2020 Just now, Bangarang said: Herbert and Ruggs don't make me come after you bro 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 If I have to go with one and one only I am going Becton because I think his floor is the lowest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 D.K. Metcalf Oops.....uh, I'll say Tagovailoa. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 Mekhi Becton. Big guy with potential, but I don't put him in the same class as Tristan Wirfs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustWinPlease Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 All the QB's and Henry Ruggs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 (edited) Herbert, Love, Chaisson, Becton I actually found this pretty easy. Biggest bust potential to me is always a high ceiling, low floor prospect. These guys all check those boxes IMO. If I have to pick one I’ll pick Chaisson. Edited April 3, 2020 by Kirby Jackson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 58 minutes ago, Derek94Hanson said: Joe Burrow one hit wonder. That's my concern with him too. He had a ridiculous year, but it was just one year. I would have him hold a clipboard for his first season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 8 minutes ago, Mark Vader said: Mekhi Becton. Big guy with potential, but I don't put him in the same class as Tristan Wirfs. 100% agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 52 minutes ago, BuffaloBillies said: Bungles ruin everything. Their OL is likely to be bad again, and they stick in a rookie on day 1. Recipe for disaster. The Bengals were an annual playoff team a few years ago. I think people overrate how bad they are. And it’s Ruggs. Like any receiver, it depends where he goes. But he is going to get drafted pretty high and I think he is a #2 at best. Could be a really good 2 but again, he needs the right situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 2 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: Herbert, Love, Chaisson, Becton I actually found this pretty easy. Biggest bust potential to me is always a high ceiling, low floor prospect. These guys all check those boxes IMO. If I have to pick one I’ll pick Chaisson. Agree with all of those but I think Chaisson's floor is just a bit higher than Becton's. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted April 3, 2020 Author Share Posted April 3, 2020 10 minutes ago, JustWinPlease said: All the QB's and Henry Ruggs. You get one choice. 4 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: If I have to pick one I’ll pick Chaisson. That's the spirit! ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amaru523 Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 I'm going with Tua. I don't trust Alabama QB's in the NFL, so I'm going with a, gotta see it to believe it approach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 32 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Agree with all of those but I think Chaisson's floor is just a bit higher than Becton's. Fair enough and he was obviously in consideration. I was SO tempted to say Love but if he ends up as Mahomes I’ll never hear the end of it. I chickened our and picked a guy that will keep me more anonymous. 10 minutes ago, Amaru523 said: I'm going with Tua. I don't trust Alabama QB's in the NFL, so I'm going with a, gotta see it to believe it approach. Do you trust Miami of Ohio QBs in the NFL? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 I probably hate whatever kicker the board decided that they want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 1 minute ago, Blokestradamus said: I probably hate whatever kicker the board decided that they want. @Blokestradamus where have you been?!? We need you this time of year 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 4 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: Fair enough and he was obviously in consideration. I was SO tempted to say Love but if he ends up as Mahomes I’ll never hear the end of it. I chickened our and picked a guy that will keep me more anonymous. Do you trust Miami of Ohio QBs in the NFL? I don't love Love but at least he has a trait or two you can latch onto. I don't see what is special about Herbert at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 2 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: @Blokestradamus where have you been?!? We need you this time of year I've barely watched a college game in 2 years. To be honest, the whole "Draft Twitter" thing burned me out. I've never been happier. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 Just now, GunnerBill said: I don't love Love but at least he has a trait or two you can latch onto. I don't see what is special about Herbert at all. Sounds like teams are pretty split on them at this point. It’s going to be interesting IMO to see who goes first. Just now, Blokestradamus said: I've barely watched a college game in 2 years. To be honest, the whole "Draft Twitter" thing burned me out. I've never been happier. I don’t like it. I don’t like it one bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 3 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: I don’t like it. I don’t like it one bit. It is weird going from grading 400+ players to wondering if Joe Burrow is a QB or a cartoon rabbit. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 I think K'Lavon Chaisson is the biggest bust. He reminds me of Rashan Gary from Michigan last year. Great numbers, everything athletic is there, but a total lack of production from what you want to see when picking someone that high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 13 minutes ago, Blokestradamus said: I've barely watched a college game in 2 years. To be honest, the whole "Draft Twitter" thing burned me out. I've never been happier. Either way, welcome back! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 8 minutes ago, Blokestradamus said: It is weird going from grading 400+ players to wondering if Joe Burrow is a QB or a cartoon rabbit. Can I vote for both? 7 minutes ago, RyanC883 said: I think K'Lavon Chaisson is the biggest bust. He reminds me of Rashan Gary from Michigan last year. Great numbers, everything athletic is there, but a total lack of production from what you want to see when picking someone that high. I still have hope for Gary. I know he only played spot duty and on a rotational basis his rookie year but I thought he was decent when he was out there. Got to remember the two FAs tore it up which made it harder to get Gary on the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Can I vote for both? I'll allow it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 6 minutes ago, Blokestradamus said: It is weird going from grading 400+ players to wondering if Joe Burrow is a QB or a cartoon rabbit. I’ll bring you up to speed on everything that you’ve missed. There is a lot of talent in the SEC (specifically Alabama and LSU). There are a couple of guys from Iowa that are going to go in the 1st (as there always seems to be lately). The 3 best players in the draft play at or played at Ohio State. There are lots of wide receivers, good tackles and running backs. The draft is thin at IOL and edge. Probably looking at 4-5 first round QBs. Burrow has the fewest question marks which is why he’s going 1. There, that should get you caught up... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 Going out on a limb here, but literally whoever gets drafted by Cleveland. Doesn't really matter who. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 9 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: I’ll bring you up to speed on everything that you’ve missed. There is a lot of talent in the SEC (specifically Alabama and LSU). There are a couple of guys from Iowa that are going to go in the 1st (as there always seems to be lately). The 3 best players in the draft play at or played at Ohio State. There are lots of wide receivers, good tackles and running backs. The draft is thin at IOL and edge. Probably looking at 4-5 first round QBs. Burrow has the fewest question marks which is why he’s going 1. There, that should get you caught up... Kirbs that is not the sort of detail Blokes used to scout for. He wants to know whose buns would crack a walnut and does Central Indiana State have a kicker he can get excited about? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 Just now, GunnerBill said: Kirbs that is not the sort of detail Blokes used to scout for. He wants to know whose buns would crack a walnut and does Central Indiana State have a kicker he can get excited about? @Blokestradamus there was a punter that did 25 reps on the bench at the combine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 7 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: @Blokestradamus there was a punter that did 25 reps on the bench at the combine Oh my. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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