Covid-19 discussion and humor thread [Was: CDC says don't touch your face to avoid Covid19...Vets to the rescue!

[Bad Things]

15 minutes ago, Not at the table Karlos said:

 

I’ve been to my barber every week since this started. Neither of us have worn any type of face covering. 
 

 

My friends job is being hit pretty hard by covid. Half the employees have it and more are out sick. The longest their symptoms have lasted was a day and a half and the longest someone was out of work before being cleared by a dr was 5 days. None had any signs of anything in their lungs. They all thought they had a minor flu or food poisoning.

 

They all laugh at everyone panicking over this. Shoot I see a few Dr’s a week and they all say it’s complete bull#### to close stuff down. Same thing with all my family members in health care A few of them work on the “covid floor” at their respective hospitals. They can’t believe the world is shut down for this. 

I had the pleasure of watching three microbiologists argue about covid. The one that just graduated from UB is the only one taking it serious. The other two just kinda laughed and provided examples of why this is all an over reaction over pretty much nothing. The UB student was gung ho about this being the end of the world and the experienced ones didn’t care about it at all. 

 

Sounds like you surround yourself with pretty ignorant people.

Well done!

[Bad Things]

 

 

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/300041975/coming-back-and-biting-us-us-sees-coronavirus-resurgence-with-highest-singleday-total

[Hapless Bills Fan]

5 hours ago, Not at the table Karlos said:

 

I’ve been to my barber every week since this started. Neither of us have worn any type of face covering. 
 

 

My friends job is being hit pretty hard by covid. Half the employees have it and more are out sick. The longest their symptoms have lasted was a day and a half and the longest someone was out of work before being cleared by a dr was 5 days. None had any signs of anything in their lungs. They all thought they had a minor flu or food poisoning.

 

They all laugh at everyone panicking over this. Shoot I see a few Dr’s a week and they all say it’s complete bull#### to close stuff down. Same thing with all my family members in health care A few of them work on the “covid floor” at their respective hospitals. They can’t believe the world is shut down for this. 

I had the pleasure of watching three microbiologists argue about covid. The one that just graduated from UB is the only one taking it serious. The other two just kinda laughed and provided examples of why this is all an over reaction over pretty much nothing. The UB student was gung ho about this being the end of the world and the experienced ones didn’t care about it at all. 

 

 

Decisions, Decisions.  Who to believe - the doctors I know who got slammed in Atlanta and St Louis?  The doctor I know who practices in Shenzen, China?  My friends working in NYC who saw the refrigerated trucks?   My daughter's roommate who was studying abroad in Spain at the height of their epidemic and got a ringside seat to what it was like?  My friend whose police officer brother and whose nursing home confined father both contracted covid-19 (they're fine) and whose nursing home here has been totally (and without any media coverage) devastated by it?  WHO, CDC, FDA, Worldometer, JHU, My own science background and a mountain of specialized peer reviewed publications I read? 

 

Nah, I think I'll believe some dude on the internet who tells me "a few Drs a week all say it's complete bull#### to close stuff down" and he saw a couple of microbiologists argue.  Yeah, that makes sense.

 

If you can't contribute except by hyping up your anecdotal experience as though it's equivalent to everyone else, then talking about "sheep" and baaing at people:

 

Somewhere Else, Not Here.

[Gray Beard]

44 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Decisions, Decisions.  Who to believe - the doctors I know who got slammed in Atlanta and St Louis?  The doctor I know who practices in Shenzen, China?  My friends working in NYC who saw the refrigerated trucks?   My daughter's roommate who was studying abroad in Spain at the height of their epidemic and got a ringside seat to what it was like?  My friend whose police officer brother and whose nursing home confined father both contracted covid-19 (they're fine) and whose nursing home here has been totally (and without any media coverage) devastated by it?  WHO, CDC, FDA, Worldometer, JHU, My own science background and a mountain of specialized peer reviewed publications I read? 

 

Nah, I think I'll believe some dude on the internet who tells me "a few Drs a week all say it's complete bull#### to close stuff down" and he saw a couple of microbiologists argue.  Yeah, that makes sense.

 

If you can't contribute except by hyping up your anecdotal experience as though it's equivalent to everyone else, then talking about "sheep" and baaing at people:

 

Somewhere Else, Not Here.

My son the nurse sat with his one of his high school math teachers, held her hand, hugged her, cried with her as her husband lay dying on the other side of the window. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

Just now, Gray Beard said:

My son the nurse sat with his one of his high school math teachers, held her hand, hugged her, cried with her as her husband lay dying on the other side of the window. 

 

Being a physician or nurse through this is hella tough.

[DCOrange]

9 hours ago, Gray Beard said:

My son the nurse sat with his one of his high school math teachers, held her hand, hugged her, cried with her as her husband lay dying on the other side of the window. 

One of my family friends had no underlying reasons to think he should be at-risk. Ended up getting Covid and was put up in ICU for two months without being able to see any family or friends or anything. They thought for sure that he was going to die, but he thankfully has recovered and is now learning how to walk again. Obviously some people have been fortunate enough to not show many/any symptoms. Some have had what's pretty much a hellacious flu. But some like our family friend have been devastated or worse by it. It's scary stuff.

[BillsFan4]

16 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Decisions, Decisions.  Who to believe - the doctors I know who got slammed in Atlanta and St Louis?  The doctor I know who practices in Shenzen, China?  My friends working in NYC who saw the refrigerated trucks?   My daughter's roommate who was studying abroad in Spain at the height of their epidemic and got a ringside seat to what it was like?  My friend whose police officer brother and whose nursing home confined father both contracted covid-19 (they're fine) and whose nursing home here has been totally (and without any media coverage) devastated by it?  WHO, CDC, FDA, Worldometer, JHU, My own science background and a mountain of specialized peer reviewed publications I read? 

 

Nah, I think I'll believe some dude on the internet who tells me "a few Drs a week all say it's complete bull#### to close stuff down" and he saw a couple of microbiologists argue.  Yeah, that makes sense.

 

If you can't contribute except by hyping up your anecdotal experience as though it's equivalent to everyone else, then talking about "sheep" and baaing at people:

 

Somewhere Else, Not Here.

Yeah, I could share some nightmare stories I’ve heard about covid from my friends & family in healthcare. 

 

Edited June 25, 2020 by BillsFan4

[BillsFan4]

https://www.cuimc.columbia.edu/news/far-uvc-light-safely-kills-airborne-coronaviruses

 

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More than 99.9% of seasonal coronaviruses present in airborne droplets were killed when exposed to a particular wavelength of ultraviolet light that is safe to use around humans, a new study at Columbia University Irving Medical Center has found.

 

“Based on our results, continuous airborne disinfection with far-UVC light at the current regulatory limit could greatly reduce the level of airborne virus in indoor environments occupied by people,” says the study’s lead author David Brenner, PhD, Higgins Professor of Radiation Biophysics at Columbia University Vagelos College of Physicians and Surgeons and director of the Center for Radiological Research at Columbia University Irving Medical Center.

 

The research was published today in Scientific Reports.

 

[Punching Bag]

14 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Being a physician or nurse through this is hella tough.

 

Some are as bad as some posters here.  When bars were opened in one state the nurse said with all of her effort treating COVID-19 and her children she deserved a break with her friends and went to a legally opened bar which was packed and no one was wearing masks.  After being identified by press she said she should have work a mask and sell quarantined for a week.  I winder if she kissed her kids with that mouth.

7 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said:

https://www.cuimc.columbia.edu/news/far-uvc-light-safely-kills-airborne-coronaviruses

 

 

 

A number of companies were advertising about this 2 months ago.

 

There are already commercial robots which clean via ultra-violet light.  

 

[KD in CA]

From today's NY Times.  While the article doesn't connect those dots, this kinda puts a dent in the 'politicians ignored the science' and 'why didn't we shut down sooner' narrative.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/27/world/europe/coronavirus-spread-asymptomatic.html

[Hapless Bills Fan]

This is from the ER-physician friend of a physician friend in Atlanta, GA

Nobody likes to wear masks, OK?  Masks suck.  They're uncomfortable in hot weather. 

But all the crapola about they restrict oxygen and build up CO2 is just that. 

Surgeons and OR nurses routinely wear them for hours at a time during long surgeries


 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

2 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

This is from the ER-physician friend of a physician friend in Atlanta, GA

Nobody likes to wear masks, OK?  Masks suck.  They're uncomfortable in hot weather. 

But all the crapola about they restrict oxygen and build up CO2 is just that. 

Surgeons and OR nurses routinely wear them for hours at a time during long surgeries


 

 

...sadly it was a safe assumption IMO that the "non-compliant, defiant, renegade.....et al" segment of society would do just that........100,000 deaths.....1,000,000 deaths......doesn't matter.....they're immune and invincible......haven't let us down either....SMH............

[BillsFan4]

https://www.wxxinews.org/post/ny-reported-only-5-covid-19-deaths-saturday-cuomo-says
NY reported only 5 COVID-19 deaths Saturday
 

Great news! 
 

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Only five people died from COVID-19 in New York Saturday, marking the first time since the peak of the disease in April that the daily number of deaths statewide dropped to single digits, following several weeks of decline.

 

 

^ This is the real goal. Not just to keep hospitals from being overrun (a very low bar in my book). The real goal should be to stop so many people from dying every day from this virus. To suppress the spread.
 

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Hospitalizations from the disease also dropped Saturday, bringing the total number of people requiring treatment for the disease down to 869. Of those, 145 are intubated.
 

The numbers have continued to trend in a positive direction in recent weeks, but New York isn’t out of the woods yet: 616 new cases of the coronavirus were diagnosed Saturday out of 61,906 tests conducted statewide.

 

All but two regions of the state reported a decline in the share of positive cases out of those tested Saturday. The Mohawk Valley and North Country reported a slight uptick, according to the data.

The bold shows that more testing doesn’t automatically have to = rising case numbers. Yes, you want to test and find more cases, but the ultimate reason for more testing is to get the positive case numbers trending Down, not Up. If you’re testing more and just keep finding more and more and more cases, you’re doing something wrong. 
 

 

You have to give NY credit for the way they’ve handled the largest outbreak (so far) in the country. It’s a shame all 50 states aren’t in the same position. I feel like they (more/less) could be if they had just followed the same guidelines NY did.
There doesn’t seem to be any magic secret. Just follow the CDC guidelines for reopening, wear masks and social distance. 

[plenzmd1]

1 hour ago, BillsFan4 said:

https://www.wxxinews.org/post/ny-reported-only-5-covid-19-deaths-saturday-cuomo-says
You have to give NY credit for the way they’ve handled the largest outbreak (so far) in the country. It’s a shame all 50 states aren’t in the same position. I feel like they (more/less) could be if they had just followed the same guidelines NY did.
There doesn’t seem to be any magic secret. Just follow the CDC guidelines for reopening, wear masks and social distance. 

Hmm, expect some blowback on that statement. Warranted in my mind, but will leave my response to the PPP board, as i believe this belongs there as well. You should go there, ignore a bunch of the idiots, but the Covid thread( again, minus the trolls) discussion and articles on Covid are  actually quite good and informative.

 

BTW, i can help with who to put on ignore LOL!

Edited June 30, 2020 by plenzmd1

[BillsFan4]

24 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

Hmm, expect some blowback on that statement. Warranted in my mind, but will leave my response to the PPP board, as i believe this belongs there as well. You should go there, ignore a bunch of the idiots, but the Covid thread( again, minus the trolls) discussion and articles on Covid are  actually quite good and informative.

 

BTW, i can help with who to put on ignore LOL!

I was talking about how they’ve suppressed their outbreak, not how they got it in March. Mistakes were definitely made early on. There’s no denying that. 

[spartacus]

1 hour ago, BillsFan4 said:

https://www.wxxinews.org/post/ny-reported-only-5-covid-19-deaths-saturday-cuomo-says
NY reported only 5 COVID-19 deaths Saturday
 

Great news! 
 

 

You have to give NY credit for the way they’ve handled the largest outbreak (so far) in the country. I

no cases and only 5 dead

sounds like NY should be re-opened

 

 

[BillsFan4]

 

 

[plenzmd1]

1 hour ago, BillsFan4 said:

I was talking about how they’ve suppressed their outbreak, not how they got it in March. Mistakes were definitely made early on. There’s no denying that. 

One can conservatively say Cuomo executive order to force nursing homes to take still positive cases in cost at a minimum 4300 deaths, and some think closer to 19,000 deaths....even at 4300 deaths more than other state in the country outside of New Jersey and PA. That order was 100% on Cuomo..no one else. 

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/cuomo-executive-order-4300-recovering-coronavirus-patients-ny-nursing-homes-2020-5

 

He gives great press conferences compared to Trump, no doubt. But numbers and outcomes are numbers and outcomes, and one just cannot argue he cost more lives in this pandemic than any other single person in the US with that order.

 

Now that states like TX and FLA are getting their first wave, he is taking a victory lap which is quite disturbing to me . 

[BillsFan4]

42 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

One can conservatively say Cuomo executive order to force nursing homes to take still positive cases in cost at a minimum 4300 deaths, and some think closer to 19,000 deaths....even at 4300 deaths more than other state in the country outside of New Jersey and PA. That order was 100% on Cuomo..no one else. 

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/cuomo-executive-order-4300-recovering-coronavirus-patients-ny-nursing-homes-2020-5

 

He gives great press conferences compared to Trump, no doubt. But numbers and outcomes are numbers and outcomes, and one just cannot argue he cost more lives in this pandemic than any other single person in the US with that order.

 

Now that states like TX and FLA are getting their first wave, he is taking a victory lap which is quite disturbing to me . 

That was part of what I was talking about when I said mistakes were made early. My post was on how they suppressed the spread of this virus.

 

And this subject has already been addressed multiple times in this thread. It was not 100% on Cuomo. It was a federal policy that was issued at the time. So there is blame to be shared.
 

Link: :https://www.cms.gov/files/document/3-13-2020-nursing-home-guidance-covid-19.pdf

 

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When should nursing homes consider transferring a resident with suspected or confirmed infection with COVID-19 to a hospital?

Nursing homes with residents suspected of having COVID-19 infection should contact their local health department. Residents infected with COVID-19 may vary in severity from lack of symptoms to mild or severe symptoms or fatality. Initially, symptoms may be mild and not require transfer to a hospital as long as the facility can follow the infection prevention and control practices recommended by CDC. Facilities without an airborne infection isolation room (AIIR) are not required to transfer the resident assuming: 1) the resident does not require a higher level of care and 2) the facility can adhere to the rest of the infection prevention and control practices recommended for caring for a resident with COVID-19.
Please check the following link regularly for critical updates, such as updates to guidance for using PPE: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/infection-control/control- recommendations.html.

The resident may develop more severe symptoms and require transfer to a hospital for a higher level of care. Prior to transfer, emergency medical services and the receiving facility should be alerted to the resident’s diagnosis, and precautions to be taken including placing a facemask on the resident during transfer. If the resident does not require hospitalization they can be discharged to home (in consultation with state or local public health authorities) if deemed medically and socially appropriate. Pending transfer or discharge, place a facemask on the resident and isolate him/her in a room with the door closed.

When should a nursing home accept a resident who was diagnosed with COVID-19 from a hospital?

A nursing home can accept a resident diagnosed with COVID-19 and still under Transmission- Based Precautions for COVID-19 as long as the facility can follow CDC guidance for Transmission-Based Precautions. If a nursing home cannot, it must wait until these precautions are discontinued. CDC has released Interim Guidance for Discontinuing Transmission-Based Precautions or In-Home Isolation for Persons with Laboratory-confirmed COVID-19. Information on the duration of infectivity is limited, and the interim guidance has been developed with available information from similar coronaviruses. CDC states that decisions to discontinue Transmission-based Precautions in hospitals will be made on a case-by-case basis in consultation with clinicians, infection prevention and control specialists, and public health officials. Discontinuation will be based on multiple factors (see current CDC guidance for further details).

Note: Nursing homes should admit any individuals that they would normally admit to their facility, including individuals from hospitals where a case of COVID-19 was/is present. Also, if possible, dedicate a unit/wing exclusively for any residents coming or returning from the hospital. This can serve as a step-down unit where they remain for 14 days with no symptoms (instead of integrating as usual on short-term rehab floor, or returning to long-stay original room).
 

and here is part of one of Hapless’s posts on nursing homes:

 

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The problem was releasing people who did not require hospitalization, but who may still be infectious.  Those who had homes, went home; those who lived in nursing homes, went back there.  And yes, it was stupid, and yes it undoubtedly contributed to the spread of covid-19 in some facilities; in most, covid-19 was already in the facility and spreading, sometimes from a patient who was not known to have covid-19 and was transferred back, while testing was still severely limited. 

 

 

But again, my point was how they have reopened and what they’ve done to suppress the spread of this virus that has worked. Obviously no state should be sending contagious Covid patients back to nursing homes. It was a mistake and should not be repeated. Nor should any of the other mistakes NYS made (of which there were numerous, especially early on).
 

But shouldn’t we also learn from what NYS has done right? 
 

 

And I’m not sure I’d say that Florida is getting their first wave. They had over 27,000 cases back in April. They had their first cases back in early March. They shut down once already for coronavirus. This current spike seems to be related to how they reopened. 
 

Florida coronavirus timeline:

 

https://www.clickorlando.com/news/local/2020/03/20/timeline-the-spread-of-coronavirus-in-florida/

Edited June 30, 2020 by BillsFan4

[Bad Things]

2 hours ago, spartacus said:

no cases and only 5 dead

sounds like NY should be re-opened

 

 

Yeah, go for it.

What could possibly go wrong?

Edited June 30, 2020 by Bad Things

[BillsFan4]

2 hours ago, spartacus said:

no cases and only 5 dead

sounds like NY should be re-opened

 

 

They are reopening and have been for over a month now. They’re just following the CDC guidelines. Western NY just entered into phase 4 today (the final phase). 
 

You can’t just reopen with total disregard for this virus or you get big spikes/outbreaks.

[Bad Things]

2 hours ago, BillsFan4 said:

They are reopening and have been for over a month now. They’re just following the CDC guidelines. Western NY just entered into phase 4 today (the final phase). 
 

You can’t just reopen with total disregard for this virus or you get big spikes/outbreaks.

Yeah, sorry... was just being sarcastic.

Edited June 30, 2020 by Bad Things

[BillsFan4]

22 minutes ago, Bad Things said:

Yeah, sorry... was just being sarcastic.

Hey, no worries! No thing to apologize for. 

[Warcodered]

 

[Nervous Guy]

17 hours ago, BillsFan4 said:

The bold shows that more testing doesn’t automatically have to = rising case numbers. Yes, you want to test and find more cases, but the ultimate reason for more testing is to get the positive case numbers trending Down, not Up. If you’re testing more and just keep finding more and more and more cases, you’re doing something wrong.

 

You have to give NY credit for the way they’ve handled the largest outbreak (so far) in the country. It’s a shame all 50 states aren’t in the same position. I feel like they (more/less) could be if they had just followed the same guidelines NY did.
There doesn’t seem to be any magic secret. Just follow the CDC guidelines for reopening, wear masks and social distance. 

Yep....I posted this the other thread as well, here in CT we followed guidelines and look what has happened....testing has increased and we are finding less cases and have falling hospitalizations and deaths. 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/conn-covid-19-testing-increases-hospitalizations-positive-test-rate-decline/ar-BB16ao6K?ocid=hplocalnews

[shoshin]

Yesterday is about two weeks from the case spikes starting in TX, CA, and AZ. One week from Florida’s. You’d look for deaths to follow cases at 2-4 weeks. 
 

Yesterday TX, CA, and AZ had their highest deaths since mid May. Could be a blip (Tuesday’s are always high but this was the highest since May) but watch that 7 day trend starting about now and for the next few weeks. 
 

Deaths are no longer coupled in the same way to cases (ratio is much lower, for many reasons: better treatments, younger patients, asymptomatic positives) so this will be the thing to watch. How much will the deaths rise in proportion to the cases? 
 

Hospitals in most places still in decent shape but the hospital curves on admissions In those states are yougly. 

Edited July 1, 2020 by shoshin

[BillsFan4]

new Yale study (supported by the national institute of health):

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/2767980

‘Estimation of Excess Deaths Associated With the COVID-19 Pandemic in the United States, March to May 2020‘
 

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Findings  In this cohort study, the number of deaths due to any cause increased by approximately 122 000 from March 1 to May 30, 2020, which is 28% higher than the reported number of COVID-19 deaths.

Meaning  Official tallies of deaths due to COVID-19 underestimate the full increase in deaths associated with the pandemic in many states.

Abstract

Importance  Efforts to track the severity and public health impact of coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) in the United States have been hampered by state-level differences in diagnostic test availability, differing strategies for prioritization of individuals for testing, and delays between testing and reporting. Evaluating unexplained increases in deaths due to all causes or attributed to nonspecific outcomes, such as pneumonia and influenza, can provide a more complete picture of the burden of COVID-19.

“Our analyses suggest that the official tally of deaths due to Covid-19 represent a substantial undercount of the true burden,” Dan Weinberger, an epidemiologist at Yale School of Public Health and a lead author on the study, said.”

 

Summary:

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/01/official-us-coronavirus-death-toll-is-a-substantial-undercount-of-actual-tally-new-yale-study-finds.html

[Warcodered]

 

[Not at the table Karlos]

Took two family members to immediate care for testing. None of the nurses had masks on their face and the one doing the test repeated same thing other Drs have been saying that this is completely over blown. 
 

Just repeating what yet another medical professional has said. I didn’t choose where we went just where they set up an appointment so it’s not just me surrounding myself with more ignorant people that I didn’t choose before either.
 

I also uber in spare time and get tested often because of that so I come across a lot of medical workers that all have said similar. 

Edited July 1, 2020 by Not at the table Karlos

[teef]

5 minutes ago, Not at the table Karlos said:

Took two family members to immediate care for testing. None of the nurses had masks on their face and the one doing the test repeated same thing other Drs have been saying that this is completely over blown. 
 

Just repeating what another medical professional has said. I didn’t choose where we went just where they set up an appointment so it’s not just me surrounding myself with more ignorant people that I didn’t choose before either.

going to a place where none of the nurses had masks on their faces should let you know the quality of the center you're at.  i even have a hard time believing that.

 

my next door neighbor is the chief of his department at a large local hospital.  he finds this very concerning.  our friends who are bothe phds at strong hospital think this is  very serious.  

 

you can keep repeating stories on how you run into medical professionals that don't think much of it, but i work and live with these people, and they seem to think the exact opposite of what you're hearing.  not saying you have to listen to my experiences, but the respected people i know don't feel that way...at all.

[Not at the table Karlos]

26 minutes ago, teef said:

going to a place where none of the nurses had masks on their faces should let you know the quality of the center you're at.  i even have a hard time believing that.

 

my next door neighbor is the chief of his department at a large local hospital.  he finds this very concerning.  our friends who are bothe phds at strong hospital think this is  very serious.  

 

you can keep repeating stories on how you run into medical professionals that don't think much of it, but i work and live with these people, and they seem to think the exact opposite of what you're hearing.  not saying you have to listen to my experiences, but the respected people i know don't feel that way...at all.

Go to immediate care on Niagara Falls blvd in Amherst. I just left, only person with a mask covering their face was the guy at the door. The rest had them under their chin. 
 

 

i really want to find these medical professionals that take this seriously besides the people on TV. The only people I can find that are scared of this are on the internet(here) or TV.
 

I deal with a lot of Dr’s from my injuries. A lot of different Drs because insurance company wants their drs to check me out too. I’ve been to appointments in different states. I am literally at a different doctors office Monday- Saturday. Sometimes multiple Drs a day. All say same or very similar thing. It’s nowhere near as big of a deal that it’s being made out to be. Yes there’s some issues for elderly or immunodeficiency but there’s risks with everything. Pretty much all said the political climate is causing this to be extremely overblown. It should have been handled like SARS or Swine Flu were. 

Edited July 1, 2020 by Not at the table Karlos

[Bad Things]

15 minutes ago, Not at the table Karlos said:

Go to immediate care on Niagara Falls blvd in Amherst. I just left, only person with a mask covering their face was the guy at the door. The rest had them under their chin. 
 

 

i really want to find these medical professionals that take this seriously besides the people on TV. The only people I can find that are scared of this are on the internet(here) or TV.
 

I deal with a lot of Dr’s from my injuries. A lot of different Drs because insurance company wants their drs to check me out too. I’ve been to appointments in different states. All say same or very similar thing. It’s nowhere near as big of a deal that it’s being made out to be. Yes there’s some issues for elderly or immunodeficiency but there’s risks with everything. Pretty much all said the political climate is causing this to be extremely overblown. It should have been handled like SARS or Swine Flu were. 

You do realize that this is effecting the entire world, right?

 

My wife works at a local medical centre, and even though New Zealand hasn't had any community transmission for well over a month, the staff must still wear full PPE gear when testing patients.

As stated above by Teef… I think this goes to show the quality of care that you're receiving.  (Or you're full of it and are just being a troll.)

[BillsFan4]

37 minutes ago, Not at the table Karlos said:

Took two family members to immediate care for testing. None of the nurses had masks on their face and the one doing the test repeated same thing other Drs have been saying that this is completely over blown. 
 

Just repeating what yet another medical professional has said. I didn’t choose where we went just where they set up an appointment so it’s not just me surrounding myself with more ignorant people that I didn’t choose before either.
 

I also uber in spare time and get tested often because of that so I come across a lot of medical workers that all have said similar. 

All of the medical professional I know say the exact opposite. I have numerous friends and family in healthcare. A couple work at hospitals that have dealt with a lot of covid cases. The stories they tell scare the **** out of me. 

[teef]

13 minutes ago, Not at the table Karlos said:

Go to immediate care on Niagara Falls blvd in Amherst. I just left, only person with a mask covering their face was the guy at the door. The rest had them under their chin. 
 

 

i really want to find these medical professionals that take this seriously besides the people on TV. The only people I can find that are scared of this are on the internet(here) or TV.
 

I deal with a lot of Dr’s from my injuries. A lot of different Drs because insurance company wants their drs to check me out too. I’ve been to appointments in different states. All say same or very similar thing. It’s nowhere near as big of a deal that it’s being made out to be. Yes there’s some issues for elderly or immunodeficiency but there’s risks with everything. Pretty much all said the political climate is causing this to be extremely overblown. It should have been handled like SARS or Swine Flu were. 

think about it...you go to a place that tests for covid, and they're not even wearing masks.  i assume it's an urgent care(i'm guessing same as an immediate care), which are questionable to begin with.  that being said, they should be reported.  

 

you really want to find these medical professionals?  go to any hospital.  i have no idea who you've been talking to, but i was an attending at a local hospital and still have many contacts there.  i had dinner with a friend two weeks ago that's the head of his oral surgery unit...he's concerned.  

 

again, don't believe me if you want to, but these outbreaks are going to effect your life whether you want it to or not.  ignore or minimize this any way you like, but it's an issue.  just today i learned that one of my employees' husband had to be tested because of a sudden fever.  if he has it, she gets tested.  if she has it, we all get tested.  if any of us have it, we have a new issue on our hands.  are we worried about dying?  no, but i am concerned about the safety of my family, staff, and the people that walk into my office.  

Just now, Bad Things said:

You do realize that this is effecting the entire world, right?

 

My wife works at a local medical centre, and even though New Zealand hasn't had any community transmission for well over a month, the staff must still wear full PPE gear when testing patients.

As stated above by Teef… I think this goes to show the quality of care that you're receiving.  (Or you're full of it and are just being a troll.)

think about it.  a site testing for covid, and people aren't wearing ppe properly?  i would run in the other direction.

[BillsFan4]

 

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[Not at the table Karlos]

17 minutes ago, teef said:

think about it...you go to a place that tests for covid, and they're not even wearing masks.  i assume it's an urgent care(i'm guessing same as an immediate care), which are questionable to begin with.  that being said, they should be reported.  

 

you really want to find these medical professionals?  go to any hospital.  i have no idea who you've been talking to, but i was an attending at a local hospital and still have many contacts there.  i had dinner with a friend two weeks ago that's the head of his oral surgery unit...he's concerned.  

 

again, don't believe me if you want to, but these outbreaks are going to effect your life whether you want it to or not.  ignore or minimize this any way you like, but it's an issue.  just today i learned that one of my employees' husband had to be tested because of a sudden fever.  if he has it, she gets tested.  if she has it, we all get tested.  if any of us have it, we have a new issue on our hands.  are we worried about dying?  no, but i am concerned about the safety of my family, staff, and the people that walk into my office.  

I go to roswell, cancer center on Harlem, buffalo general, Ecmc and sometimes one of Fillmore suburban or degraff(ew). Then there’s the actual Drs and surgeons offices. There’s about 7 of them. Then there’s treatment and pain management(I don’t consider them to be the same as a hospital or Dr) So we will leave them out. 
 

I have multiple family members that work at suburban and st Joes on covid floor. Have family at memorial and st. Mary’s in the falls. Other cousin just did some type of training at strong and is back here at children’s. She also just had dinner with nurses from strong as soon as restaurants allowed people in that said this is a complete over reaction.  There’s more that’s just my parents siblings and for most part they’re on lower end of totem pole. The older ones are higher up. My family on both sides is very large and there’s a lot of medical professionals on both sides. I’ll continue later after my scans are done.

 

 

Edited July 1, 2020 by Not at the table Karlos

[teef]

5 minutes ago, Not at the table Karlos said:

I go to roswell, cancer center on Harlem, buffalo general, Ecmc and sometimes one of Fillmore suburban or degraff(ew). Then there’s the actual Drs and surgeons offices. There’s about 7 of them. Then there’s treatment and pain management(I don’t consider them to be the same as a hospital or Dr) So we will leave them out. 
 

I have multiple family members that work at suburban and st Joes on covid floor. Have family at memorial and st. Mary’s in the falls. Other cousin just did some type of training at strong and is back here at children’s. She also just had dinner with nurses from strong as soon as restaurants allowed people in that said this is a complete over reaction.  There’s more. My family on both sides is very large and there’s a lot of medical professionals on both sides. I’ll continue later after my scans are done.

 

 

good luck with your scans.  i don't know man.  like i said, i live and work with medical professionals.  maybes there's a stark difference between how wny handles it and how the finger lakes region handles it.  no one is "scared" of it, but everyone is very aware to still be cautious.

[Bad Things]

13 minutes ago, Not at the table Karlos said:

I go to roswell, cancer center on Harlem, buffalo general, Ecmc and sometimes one of Fillmore suburban or degraff(ew). Then there’s the actual Drs and surgeons offices. There’s about 7 of them. Then there’s treatment and pain management(I don’t consider them to be the same as a hospital or Dr) So we will leave them out. 
 

I have multiple family members that work at suburban and st Joes on covid floor. Have family at memorial and st. Mary’s in the falls. Other cousin just did some type of training at strong and is back here at children’s. She also just had dinner with nurses from strong as soon as restaurants allowed people in that said this is a complete over reaction.  There’s more. My family on both sides is very large and there’s a lot of medical professionals on both sides. I’ll continue later after my scans are done.

 

 

Well, if that's the case, then there shouldn't be any surprise why America leads the world in infections and deaths.

[teef]

28 minutes ago, Bad Things said:

Well, if that's the case, then there shouldn't be any surprise why America leads the world in infections and deaths.

it's a very strong opinion that many hold.  

[Not at the table Karlos]

54 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said:

All of the medical professional I know say the exact opposite. I have numerous friends and family in healthcare. A couple work at hospitals that have dealt with a lot of covid cases. The stories they tell scare the **** out of me. 

A nurse from kenmore mercy was out running with her dog at the park when she was home sick with covid. She nonchalantly said a bunch of nurses and employees had it and went on her way. Now I didn’t physically see her positive result. But she was “home” for 3 weeks and her neighbor said same thing. So they’re not taking it very serious in Buffalo. 
 

I’m not just coming here making stuff to try and get bad things to call my family and I names. I’m repeating what I hear or am told. Some I wasn’t supposed to hear and was told not to repeat. Some they said they don’t care who hears.

You don’t have to believe me(goes for anyone). There’s an ignore feature for a reason. I apologize if I get out of line or defensive but I’m honestly just repeating what i heard, that and I ask a lot of questions.