YoloinOhio Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 He's not very good anymore right? I don't think he's done much in the last few years.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 I was never impressed with this guy, even when people thought he was good. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 24, 2020 Author Share Posted February 24, 2020 8 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: He's not very good anymore right? I don't think he's done much in the last few years.... He was hurt most of last year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 I wonder if he’s pleased to escape the Browns...... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBills1998 Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 We should get him, good depth signing and he could be a good rotating player 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 24, 2020 Author Share Posted February 24, 2020 (edited) 11 minutes ago, BuffaloBills1998 said: We should get him, good depth signing and he could be a good rotating player Yeah he’s in the Mario Addison/Everson Griffen category. Not a long term solution but could be more productive than Murphy. Edited February 24, 2020 by YoloinOhio 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 (edited) 33 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: This is just speculation from Mary Kay Cabot based on Vernon’s salary. She is an awful reporter in general and her contacts with the Browns left when Hue Jackson got booted. This is not even an article, just part of an answer to a fan question about whether she expect the Browns to go after former Vikings like Griffen. FWIW Vernon is only due a $250k workout bonus this off-season so I highly doubt the Browns are in a hurry to cut him. I wouldn’t bank on them parting ways with him this off-season, but even if they do I can’t imagine it happening before they replace him. Edited February 24, 2020 by BarleyNY 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBills1998 Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said: Yeah he’s in the Mario Addison/Everson Griffen category. Not a long term solution but could be more productive than Murphy. Would definitely take him over Murphy, that guy in a lot of ways has been a disappointment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 24, 2020 Author Share Posted February 24, 2020 5 minutes ago, BarleyNY said: This is just speculation from Mary Kay Cabot based on Vernon’s salary. She is an awful reporter in general and her contacts with the Browns left when Hue Jackson got booted. This is not even an article, just part of an answer to a fan question about whether she expect the Browns to go after former Vikings like Griffen. FWIW Vernon is only due a $250k workout bonus this off-season so I highly doubt the Browns are in a hurry to cut him. I wouldn’t bank on them parting ways with him this off-season, but even if they do I can’t imagine it happening before they replace him. Apparently he is being offered a pay cut and isn’t expected to take it. If he declines the pay cut, the Browns gain 15.5 mill in cap space and 0 dead money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 22 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Apparently he is being offered a pay cut and isn’t expected to take it. If he declines the pay cut, the Browns gain 15.5 mill in cap space and 0 dead money I would not be surprised if the Browns asked him to take a pay cut or did something else to reduce his cap hit this season (ie a real or voidable extension), but I’d be shocked if they cut him before replacing him and created such a huge hole. Chad Thomas is the Browns 3rd DE right now. That’s a huge step down. Now if it came to light that Griffen had agreed to terms with the Browns then I could see it. But if that’s the route they’re going to go then why even ask him to take a cut? FWIW I have only heard that the Browns are looking at their options with Vernon. I haven’t heard anything about them asking him to take a cut (yet). Doesn’t mean it could not have happened though, obviously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 Its hard to judge any player from the Browns. I can see a 3 year deal for about 30 mil. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 He’s ok. I wouldn’t wanna pay him over 10 mill a year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 Thats a pretty tough football player but probably no better then Shaq Lawson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasternOHBillsFan Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 (edited) The best thing about this... The Browns traded away a valuable offensive lineman that they could have used to protect Baker better for more defense in Vernon, and now they are going to cut him a few months later. The Browns are the joke that keeps on going! Edited February 24, 2020 by EasternOHBillsFan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 5 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said: He's not very good anymore right? I don't think he's done much in the last few years.... One concern is he's missed time for injuries the last 3 years. 4, 5, and 6 games, respectively. 27 minutes ago, EasternOHBillsFan said: The best thing about this... The Browns traded away a valuable offensive lineman that they could have used to protect Baker better for more defense in Vernon, and now they are going to cut him a few months later. The Browns are the joke that keeps on going! To be fair to the Browns, wasn't he part of the Odell Beckham Jr trade? so they didn't just trade Zeitler for Vernon. Regime change will do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasternOHBillsFan Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 22 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: One concern is he's missed time for injuries the last 3 years. 4, 5, and 6 games, respectively. To be fair to the Browns, wasn't he part of the Odell Beckham Jr trade? so they didn't just trade Zeitler for Vernon. Regime change will do that. It looks as if John Dorsey's mess is being cleaned up, but it is still funny... they are our competition and anything that embarrasses them I'm all for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 24, 2020 Author Share Posted February 24, 2020 (edited) 54 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: One concern is he's missed time for injuries the last 3 years. 4, 5, and 6 games, respectively. To be fair to the Browns, wasn't he part of the Odell Beckham Jr trade? so they didn't just trade Zeitler for Vernon. Regime change will do that. It was Zietler and a 5th for Vernon and a 4th. It was separate from the Odell trade. But the teams combined them as one announcement once trades could be official and they swapped back the day 3 picks. If the Odell trade had not come to fruition, the report was that the 1st trade still would have and they weren’t dependent on each other. Edited February 24, 2020 by YoloinOhio 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 1 hour ago, HOUSE said: Thats a pretty tough football player but probably no better then Shaq Lawson All things equal, I'd rather have Shaq. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 2 minutes ago, billsbackto81 said: All things equal, I'd rather have Shaq. A year removed from 7 sacks and 21 QB hits in 11 games. For reference, Shaq had 10.5 sacks and 30 QB hits in the last 29 games. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fixxxer Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 I always liked him, he can be disruptive at times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 24, 2020 Author Share Posted February 24, 2020 42 minutes ago, billsbackto81 said: All things equal, I'd rather have Shaq. I don’t see it as an either/or with Shaq. Vernon would be more of an either/or with Murphy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheektowaga Chad Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 Could be a decent back up option if every thing else falls through. Could be useful in situational football Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 11 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: While everyone was gushing about him and Garrett and Odell , I just kept asking how that OL will look without their best lineman. Awful trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 11 hours ago, BuffaloBills1998 said: We should get him, good depth signing and he could be a good rotating player I’d be interested in someone more impactful. He’s just another guy - imo. 4 hours ago, Fixxxer said: I always liked him, he can be disruptive at times. You sound like my 3rd grade teacher. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fixxxer Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 22 minutes ago, inaugural balls said: You sound like my 3rd grade teacher. was she/he disruptive? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 5 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: I don’t see it as an either/or with Shaq. Vernon would be more of an either/or with Murphy. True, but Shaq's the FA, not Murphy. Vernon may be a slight upgrade over Murphy if healthy. Very slight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 (edited) On 2/24/2020 at 6:07 PM, BringBackOrton said: A year removed from 7 sacks and 21 QB hits in 11 games. For reference, Shaq had 10.5 sacks and 30 QB hits in the last 29 games. I can't go by a stat line that's a year removed cause of injury. I can only go by what we've all seen this past year, and Shaq was the better player. He's younger and starting to hit his stride as he figures things out. Vernon's best days are behind him in IMO, but that's just my opinion. Only McBeane can determine if he's worthy to hold a place here. Edited February 26, 2020 by billsbackto81 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 20 hours ago, Fixxxer said: was she/he disruptive? lol - no, I meant that I was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuvian Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 Just the kind of guy Clappy can coach up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 26, 2020 Author Share Posted February 26, 2020 20 hours ago, billsbackto81 said: True, but Shaq's the FA, not Murphy. Vernon may be a slight upgrade over Murphy if healthy. Very slight. Right - I meant that if a guy like Vernon is signed I think Murphy would be the odd guy out, and wouldn’t impact their decision on Shaq. I think Shaq’s future is more tied to any long term solution they move forward with at DE, whether that be a different young FA or a high draft pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 Pretty much what I said earlier here: https://247sports.com/nfl/cleveland-browns/Article/Cleveland-Browns-Olivier-Vernon-Rumors-144220490/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 26, 2020 Author Share Posted February 26, 2020 10 hours ago, BarleyNY said: Pretty much what I said earlier here: https://247sports.com/nfl/cleveland-browns/Article/Cleveland-Browns-Olivier-Vernon-Rumors-144220490/ I thought it seemed like they leaked it to see if they could get a pick for him before they cut him, which makes sense. It was a bad trade but not on the current regime, they should definitely move on if he doesn’t take a pay cut. He’s a decent piece but hadn’t proven to be worth that cap hit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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