njbuff Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 40 time for a RB is EXTREMELY OVERRATED. Give me the 4.6 grinder over the 4.3 home run hitter EVERY TIME. The 4.6 guy will almost never have a negative run while the 4.3 guy will have an 80 yard TD while his next 10 carries will be for 11 yards and his team will be down 24-7 despite his long TD run. The speed RB's have way more negative plays than the 4.6 guys and that is crippling to an offense Remember Terrell Davis? His 40 time was 4.72. And he was the best player on the planet from 96-98. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 12 minutes ago, njbuff said: 40 time for a RB is EXTREMELY OVERRATED. Give me the 4.6 grinder over the 4.3 home run hitter EVERY TIME. The 4.6 guy will almost never have a negative run while the 4.3 guy will have an 80 yard TD while his next 10 carries will be for 11 yards and his team will be down 24-7 despite his long TD run. The speed RB's have way more negative plays than the 4.6 guys and that is crippling to an offense Remember Terrell Davis? His 40 time was 4.72. And he was the best player on the planet from 96-98. It is? Didn't the 49ers prove that speed at RB kills? Moster ran a 4.34 Breida ran a 4.38 Coleman ran a 4.40 And you can look at many of the other top RBs in the NFL and notice the speed trend: McCaffrey - 4.48 Zeke - 4.47 Saquon - 4.40 Gurley (pre injury) - 4.40 Cook - 4.49 Sure, it’s not a hard and fast rule, but yes, speed absolutely matters in an era where LBs are running 4.5 flat. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 3 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: It is? Didn't the 49ers prove that speed at RB kills? Moster ran a 4.34 Breida ran a 4.38 Coleman ran a 4.40 And you can look at many of the other top RBs in the NFL and notice the speed trend: McCaffrey - 4.48 Zeke - 4.47 Saquon - 4.40 Gurley (pre injury) - 4.40 Cook - 4.49 Sure, it’s not a hard and fast rule, but yes, speed absolutely matters in an era where LBs are running 4.5 flat. My point is that you hardly need speed guys to have a great running game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 PSA*** Mockdraftable comparables are up for WRs Some interesting ones... Jerry Jeudy to Adam Thielen Brandon Aiyuk to Nate Burleson Justin Jefferson to DeVante Parker 2 minutes ago, njbuff said: My point is that you hardly need speed guys to have a great running game. Not sure I agree with that...I think that the majority of great running games in today’s league have at least one blazer. Ooh...Devin Duvernay draws a very strong comparison to Golden Tate and semi-strong to Lee Evans. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 3 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: It is? Didn't the 49ers prove that speed at RB kills? Moster ran a 4.34 Breida ran a 4.38 Coleman ran a 4.40 And you can look at many of the other top RBs in the NFL and notice the speed trend: McCaffrey - 4.48 Zeke - 4.47 Saquon - 4.40 Gurley (pre injury) - 4.40 Cook - 4.49 Sure, it’s not a hard and fast rule, but yes, speed absolutely matters in an era where LBs are running 4.5 flat. Speed can’t be taught, so it’s always at a premium. That said, elusiveness is still the number one trait sought in a RBs. Speed can certainly be a component of elusiveness, but there have been plenty of blazing fast RBs over the years who couldn’t get out of their own way. The greatest tend to have that unique combination, like OJ or Sanders. But the Thurmans or Emmit Smiths of the world can do just fine. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4BillsintheBurgh Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 6 minutes ago, njbuff said: My point is that you hardly need speed guys to have a great running game. The guy that plays qb for your team needs guys he can get the ball to and have them go the distance. That will help him get out of the hero ball mentality in the short term. Once he matures some maybe we can go a little more hammertime, but now we need the game breakers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turk71 Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 Akers has looked really impressive, seems to have all facets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 1 hour ago, njbuff said: 40 time for a RB is EXTREMELY OVERRATED. Give me the 4.6 grinder over the 4.3 home run hitter EVERY TIME. The 4.6 guy will almost never have a negative run while the 4.3 guy will have an 80 yard TD while his next 10 carries will be for 11 yards and his team will be down 24-7 despite his long TD run. The speed RB's have way more negative plays than the 4.6 guys and that is crippling to an offense Remember Terrell Davis? His 40 time was 4.72. And he was the best player on the planet from 96-98. ..who gets to run 40 yds unimpeded?......didn't Ross run 4.22 and where is he now among alleged top 2019 DAWGS?..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 35 minutes ago, njbuff said: My point is that you hardly need speed guys to have a great running game. The Terrell Davis comparison is a bit much, it was a different era and a different style. TD was a horse that wore down defenses with that online. Singletary is diminutive and stuck in 4th gear. He is a nice player but adding a game breaker would be a big plus. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIZ Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 Can a player (Singletarty) significantly increase his speed in the offseason or is it “he’s a 4.66 guy forever”? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 Just now, PIZ said: Can a player (Singletarty) significantly increase his speed in the offseason or is it “he’s a 4.66 guy forever”? It’s not the 4.66 or 40 speed it’s the speed at which these guys play at. Singeltary is in shape and wasn’t hurt, it’s likely that’s who he is as a runner. I don’t remember many RBs in the NFL getting faster unless they were injured or fat. These guys have been running their entire lives, they are who they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 29, 2020 Author Share Posted February 29, 2020 Bills interviewed him 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 So most of the best backs run around 4.6, give me Clyde the Glyde. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loveorhatembillsfan4life Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 A bit off the discussion but do punters have a spot at the combine to shine?..anyone worth a look? I’m still not completely sold on our situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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NewEra Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: Bills interviewed him He stood out to me when I was watching the DL. Dunno anything about him as a player but in shorts, he looks like a day 2 player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 29, 2020 Author Share Posted February 29, 2020 21 minutes ago, NewEra said: He stood out to me when I was watching the DL. Dunno anything about him as a player but in shorts, he looks like a day 2 player He had some really good games in the Big 10 this year. It’s tough because that D as a whole lacked talent. They had a decent corner Lamar Jackson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said: He had some really good games in the Big 10 this year. It’s tough because that D as a whole lacked talent. They had a decent corner Lamar Jackson Yeah I had read about them prior to the season. I grew up a hustler fan but lost my love for them when they hired Callahan. Trying to get back into it now that they have frost, I usually work Saturday so I can’t watch many big ten games. Frost needs to put up or shut up real soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 2 hours ago, K-9 said: Speed can’t be taught, so it’s always at a premium. That said, elusiveness is still the number one trait sought in a RBs. Speed can certainly be a component of elusiveness, but there have been plenty of blazing fast RBs over the years who couldn’t get out of their own way. The greatest tend to have that unique combination, like OJ or Sanders. But the Thurmans or Emmit Smiths of the world can do just fine. Speed can be taught - Don Beebe's House of Speed has shown this. Improving speed is a lot of things including correcting motions, helping increasing acceleration, etc. It is not all just dash time. From Don Beebe's House of Speed website: Quote "Simply the best football training around. If you're serious about your game, then House of Speed is the place to train." Robert Quinn – St. Louis Rams – 1st Round NFL Draft Pick Since working out at House of Speed I have become more explosive. It reminds me of myself when I first got into the NFL. I feel young again!” Ahman Green – Green Bay Packers All Time Leading Rusher “As a former NFL safety I know the importance of individual and team speed. Along with quickness and agility it is essential for success in today’s young athletes. “ John Lynch, nine-time NFL Pro Bowl Safety Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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